Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by bopicksix:
Originally posted by walker807:
The biggest opportunity for improvement is to lock up DeFo long term so we dont lose one of the best interior lineman in all of the NFL.
Yea he was a very good player and for that we are grateful. Very good player on a very bad team, and we are unwavering in our desire to become a great team..this front office has made it clear that they are always looking to upgrade every position on the roster and is willing to make the bold move when the opportunity is right. Your my boy buck! But you gotta go.
Why does he have to go?
Trading your best player away and creating a huge hole that has to be filled is a dumb way to try to become good.
Lol right. We should just trade Kittle, mcglinchey, and all the up and coming players on the roster away while we are at it.
bopicksix didn't come out and say to trade DeFo out of nowhere. It was with the premise that QWilliams would be drafted at #2 overall. I'm being open minded for discussion sake. It makes some sense that if the team drafts QWilliams, that there is an abundance of DT talent on the team. Trading DeFo means getting a good return back - two first rounders? So you get two 1st rounders, and not having to make him (one of) the highest paid DT.
I would never do it because bird in hand worth two in the bushes, or whatever. Lynch would be crazy to get rid of the one proven, durable guy that no one has to worry about off the field. But it's an interesting hypothetical if QW is the guy at #2 overall.
Seems like we have bigger fish to fry than taking a player at a position of strength just so that we can trade that strength to another team for picks when we have so many other holes on the team. I know they did something similar last year when drafting McGlinchey, but not really since Brown wasn't remotely a fit for what we required of him. As witnessed by last season, Defo balls out in this defense and fits well. So once again, to me, it makes no sense what so ever to draft QW with the intent of trading Buckner to avoid a mega contract when we need starters, or depth, desperately at the other DE, LB, WR, TE, OT, LB, OGx2, and S positions.
That's 9 players that are needed (IMO) and we have 5 picks. Wasting one replacing a stud that fits the scheme hoping the rookie is a similar talent for future draft capital seems like wasted effort/resources if we are building a winner and exactly the kind of actions that will end Kyle and Johns time in SF prematurely.
Well of the 9 picks needed, post FA to date, we have whittled it down a bit , tho with rehabbing for a couple players, those still are just potential fixes. As of today, we:
Need another DE, meaning we have one (who is an ER from OLB ) but is now designated DE...but now we need another ELITE...and a pair of them are there for our choosing. No matter what happens we get one.
Need a starter OG, plus another OG for pipeline, Plus an OT for pipeline.
Need a starter DB...altho we did get Verrett...but again, rehabbing. So ??? If we still need another.
LBs.. we got three but one is re-designated DE, so we have Mayo and Kwon Alexander ...if rehabbing goes well for Kwon, we fixed these holes.
TE... we can always use another, but not a must have.
RB ....doesn't really fix anything, just another guy to compete...or rather replace the guy on the list ahead of him when RBs get injured...and ours sure did.
Add that all up post FA and we no longer need 9. STARTERS we need :
1.) ELITE ER, and i hope we get another 2nd tier in there somewhere.
2) Starting OG
3) Starting DB/ S
4)Maybe another starting LB, depending on Kwon and Mayo's rehabbing. Maybe we are ok here. IDK
2nd tier we need:
1 and 2) OG and OT for pipeline
3) ok, another WR, why not, the more the merrier...but very low priority. Let kyle pick a winner out of UDFAs, he's good at it.
4)TE...again, why not...but again low priority.
5) DB but we did get Verrett and if he starts, then we don't need one. But has injury hx, so this is still a need. Point is we did get a DB in FA...question is can he hold up or not.
Summarize this and for starters, we really need only Elite ER, OG starter, S starter, maybe LB starter. That is a big move from needing 9 guys.
2nd tier needs are Pipeline OG and OT, maybe another WR, TE, and DB
I am very high on our FA to date and really it looks like we need to nail down 3: ELITE ER, OG starter, S starter , perhaps LB starter....and all that is doable. For second tier OG and OT pipeline guys, and same for WR, TE, DB. That also looks doable, tho these are NOT plug in starter material
To WiN's point, no way in the world do we somehow trade Buck for another starter plus an additonal starter in later first round. We need ELITE starters, and Buck is one of our few 2 or 3. He is one of the cornerstones the franchise is built upon. You just dont' trade those guys for an extra potential high pick plus a potential starter for Buck. That just will not happen.
