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DeForest Buckner Traded to the Colts

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Jan 3, 2020 at 10:12 AM
Well done Buckner! Even with the East Coast bias the press shows respect for what he's done and means to the team. Well deserved!
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:13 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I stand by what I said.

And I don't remember what you said lol?

I said he's a good player but I don't consider him a superstar.
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I said he's a good player but I don't consider him a superstar.

I think we can say superstar is a subjective term end of the day. Right/wrong there isn't a correct answer.

He's good enough to be an all-pro (2nd team) That's good enough for me.
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:18 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Kyzen:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Damn would have bet $$$ that Buck was higher. Still love the dude though.

Ah that's still very good, considering the amount of double teams he takes on....

268 snaps being double-teamed, 6th most in the NFL. Now, but we still need to figure out the total number of snaps of each DL to see which has the highest overall percentage of double-team frequency.
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:18 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I said he's a good player but I don't consider him a superstar.

I think we can say superstar is a subjective term end of the day. Right/wrong there isn't a correct answer.

He's good enough to be an all-pro (2nd team) That's good enough for me.

So now when he demands more than Fletcher Cox do we pay him?
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I said he's a good player but I don't consider him a superstar.

He will be getting paid like a superstar very shortly. Especially with an all pro team on his resume.
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So now when he demands more than Fletcher Cox do we pay him?

Yup, inflation dude. Cap space goes up contracts go up.

Cox's deal was 3 yrs ago. Next big time DT will get more than Buck and so on and so on.

Also go look at Cox's deal it was never killing their cap space for like the 1st 4 yrs. they keep restructuring it pushing cash down the road while the cap goes up. Philly never has issues with being able to pay for their guys.

If Bucks deal is anything less than Coxs then it's a steal.
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:30 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So now when he demands more than Fletcher Cox do we pay him?

Yup, inflation dude. Cap space goes up contracts go up.

Cox's deal was 3 yrs ago. Next big time DT will get more than Buck and so on and so on.

Also go look at Cox's deal it was never killing their cap space for like the 1st 4 yrs. they keep restructuring it pushing cash down the road while the cap goes up. Philly never has issues with being able to pay for their guys.

If Bucks deal is anything less than Coxs then it's a steal.

Well I never thought Cox was worth the deal he got. Therefore I'm probably not going to think Buck is worth the deal we give him. But as long as we are winning I guess my best coarse of action is to properly shut the f**k up.
Jan 3, 2020 at 10:33 AM
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
268 snaps being double-teamed, 6th most in the NFL. Now, but we still need to figure out the total number of snaps of each DL to see which has the highest overall percentage of double-team frequency.

Jan 3, 2020 at 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I said he's a good player but I don't consider him a superstar.

I think we can say superstar is a subjective term end of the day. Right/wrong there isn't a correct answer.

He's good enough to be an all-pro (2nd team) That's good enough for me.

So now when he demands more than Fletcher Cox do we pay him?

No. 5th year option. Franchise. Extend Kittle, AA before you touch Buckner. Who cares about inflation. That applies to literally every FA. And Niners have ample cap room starting in 2021.

There is absolutely no rush to extend Buckner. He is under team control.
Jan 3, 2020 at 11:10 AM
From a defensive end position, Buckner got the lone sack against Seattle. I'd like to see Saleh put Buckner on the end as a matter of course on passing downs, at least in the next game.
Jan 3, 2020 at 11:29 AM
2nd team all pro. Not bad at all
Jan 3, 2020 at 11:34 AM
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I said he's a good player but I don't consider him a superstar.

I think we can say superstar is a subjective term end of the day. Right/wrong there isn't a correct answer.

He's good enough to be an all-pro (2nd team) That's good enough for me.

So now when he demands more than Fletcher Cox do we pay him?

No. 5th year option. Franchise. Extend Kittle, AA before you touch Buckner. Who cares about inflation. That applies to literally every FA. And Niners have ample cap room starting in 2021.

There is absolutely no rush to extend Buckner. He is under team control.

Wot? Just check out AA prior to this year. Then check out Buckner. Prople here have such short memories.
Jan 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
268 snaps being double-teamed, 6th most in the NFL. Now, but we still need to figure out the total number of snaps of each DL to see which has the highest overall percentage of double-team frequency.


Just looked up DEFENSIVE snap counts for those players, and double-team rates. Buckner is double-teamed the 9th most in the NFL.

Player Dbl Teams Snaps Rate
99-L.Williams 255 382 66.75%
99-J.Casey 273 722 37.81%
96-M.Collins 292 782 37.34%
95-C.Jones 238 655 36.34%
73-M.Hurst 193 537 35.94%
91-F.Cox 287 815 35.21%
99-A.Donald 319 937 34.04%
97-K.Clark 294 879 33.45%
99-D.Buckner 268 824 32.52%
99-Q.Jefferson 183 602 30.40%
98-D.Reader 190 629 30.21%
97-G.Jarrett 245 821 29.84%
98-S.Richardson 235 791 29.71%
93-C.Campbell 230 833 27.61%
98-M.Ioannidis 231 839 27.53%
95-R.Robertson-Harris 151 552 27.36%
79-J.Hargrave 186 692 26.88%
97-C.Heyward 235 885 26.55%
95-R.Okwara 160 611 26.19%


Absolutely insane that Leonard Williams is doubled at that frequency. 2/3 of the time? Really. No one else is close.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Jan 3, 2020 at 12:07 PM ]
Jan 3, 2020 at 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by English:
Wot? Just check out AA prior to this year. Then check out Buckner. Prople here have such short memories.

Armstead has limited control by comparison. He also offers more as a pass rusher, a premium skill. That's why he is an obvious priority along with Kittle.

Buckner can be easily controlled. And if he's a "superstar" then who cares about the tag?
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