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Nov 22, 2019 at 6:50 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
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As a pure runner Jackson is more impressive.

More shake and bake in his game, for sure. Would've been interesting to see what more Kaep could've progressed into.
Nov 22, 2019 at 6:52 AM
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Jackson is a lot more fluid than Kaepernick was. He's got that homerun speed but is also incredibly elusive in the same manner as Russell Wilson.

In terms of his ability as a runner and a passer he is a lot closer to early career Wilson.

Yea kap has that straight line speed and long strides . But Jackson can cut out there like a RB
Agree with you both. People sometimes conflate "fast" and "elusive". You can definitely be one and not the other. Kaep didn't really have elite escapeability.

In a nutshell. I have no clue why they are even being compared,...other than both being able to hold your defense accountable on their containment?

Vick would be a much better comparison to Lamar.
Nov 22, 2019 at 7:17 AM
Still don't understand how Jackson dropped to the bottom of the 1st round after all the improvement he showed his final year at Louisville.
Nov 22, 2019 at 8:28 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Still don't understand how Jackson dropped to the bottom of the 1st round after all the improvement he showed his final year at Louisville.

Sophomore year: 30 TDs and 9 INTs with a 148 rating. Bowl game: 10-27 for 153 yards. 0 TDs & 0 INTs
Junior year: 27 TDs and 10 INTs with a 146 rating. Bowl game: 13-31 for 171 yards. 2 TDs & 4 INTs

And never completed over 60% of his passes. Its not surprising teams weren't sure he could play QB.
Nov 22, 2019 at 9:06 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
Sophomore year: 30 TDs and 9 INTs with a 148 rating. Bowl game: 10-27 for 153 yards. 0 TDs & 0 INTs
Junior year: 27 TDs and 10 INTs with a 146 rating. Bowl game: 13-31 for 171 yards. 2 TDs & 4 INTs

And never completed over 60% of his passes. Its not surprising teams weren't sure he could play QB.


I was working under the assumption that teams had actual game film and weren't just skimming College Football Reference.




Even if that were the case, explain Josh Allen's stats while playing at a lower level of competition.




https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html



And he went Top 10 almost entirely on potential.
Nov 22, 2019 at 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
Sophomore year: 30 TDs and 9 INTs with a 148 rating. Bowl game: 10-27 for 153 yards. 0 TDs & 0 INTs
Junior year: 27 TDs and 10 INTs with a 146 rating. Bowl game: 13-31 for 171 yards. 2 TDs & 4 INTs

And never completed over 60% of his passes. Its not surprising teams weren't sure he could play QB.

Jake Locker went 8th overall lol

Looking at stats is probably the worst way to evaluate a college quarterback
Nov 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Still don't understand how Jackson dropped to the bottom of the 1st round after all the improvement he showed his final year at Louisville.

Well I think its simply that the scouts/GMs ignored his ability to improve.

I'd also add that IMO a lot of GMs/Scouts can be complete idiots at certain parts of the game. IE a Scout can be a genius at WR and be a complete moron about DL.

There are people in the scouting industry (that NFL guy that use to be a GM) that said he should move to WR.
Nov 22, 2019 at 10:39 AM
Don't forget that not all teams run an offense that works for running QB's. Some GM's will shy away because they're concerned about longevity which has been an issue for running QB's. They get hurt or just break down from all those runs. Look at how quickly running backs go from the top to the bottom. I really think it's a factor when looking for a QB. Not many running QB's have that 10-15 year window of greatness.
Nov 22, 2019 at 3:20 PM
I didn't think he would be this good running and passing both. He is phenomenal. Still there is huge injury risk here. We have seen guys come on hot and light the world on fire for a while before. Then they get a severe injury. His style of play lends itself to injury potential. He may light the world on fire for 2, 3, 4, 5 years. But can he last 10 major injury free? Or 15 years major injury free? I have big doubts about that. We will see. It might not hold up over time but it looks good now.
Nov 22, 2019 at 3:47 PM
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Don't forget that not all teams run an offense that works for running QB's.

How does an offense not work for a guy that randomly gashes a defense for 30+ yard touchdowns??

I guess if the coach gets upset at the TD and benches him for the rest of the half then yea, it doesnt work for them.

Beyond that you're just reminding us of an old stereotype attached to certain types of "runners" and not others.
Dec 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM
Originally posted by Innovative49:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Don't forget that not all teams run an offense that works for running QB's.

How does an offense not work for a guy that randomly gashes a defense for 30+ yard touchdowns??

I guess if the coach gets upset at the TD and benches him for the rest of the half then yea, it doesnt work for them.

Beyond that you're just reminding us of an old stereotype attached to certain types of "runners" and not others.


The game has changed, they don't hit anymore. So running QB's are gonna dominate!

But remember:
Mahomes
L. Jackson
Murray
Wilson

Can all throw the ball better then other QB's in the league as well, so they are not only running QB's. Jackson has a bunch of passing TD's!
Dec 26, 2019 at 1:24 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
The game has changed, they don't hit anymore. So running QB's are gonna dominate!

But remember:
Mahomes
L. Jackson
Murray
Wilson

Can all throw the ball better then other QB's in the league as well, so they are not only running QB's. Jackson has a bunch of passing TD's!

While Jackson is electric. his passing numbers are a bit inflated IMO. He's not making world beating throws. He rarely throws outside of the numbers.

That whole team is structured around him. The threat to run puts a lot of stress on a defense.

At some point (not this yr) he's gonna have to learn to be a straight up pocket passing QB, if he wants to have a long career.
Dec 27, 2019 at 3:15 PM
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Don't forget that not all teams run an offense that works for running QB's. Some GM's will shy away because they're concerned about longevity which has been an issue for running QB's. They get hurt or just break down from all those runs. Look at how quickly running backs go from the top to the bottom. I really think it's a factor when looking for a QB. Not many running QB's have that 10-15 year window of greatness.

I dont need a 10-15 year window of greatness. Who do you give these cards to, btw? Phillip Rivers? What has he done?

I just need to win games now. If I need to adapt to something else or find another QB...I'll take the 10 yrs of success and tired legs to follow....given 10 yrs to find his replacement.
Dec 27, 2019 at 3:17 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
At some point (not this yr) he's gonna have to learn to be a straight up pocket passing QB, if he wants to have a long career.

You mean like Russ?

You're watching him learn on the fly as he dominates the league at the same time. Learning to be a better passer and dominating the game with your legs arent mutually exclusive.

Nothing is inflated about his numbers if a bunch of legit NFL defenses cant stop it. Take a look at the teams they have played.

I dont need far, outside passes towards the hashes to be successful.

I need to take advantage of what the defense gives me and do it at a high rate. #AllThatMatters
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 27, 2019 at 3:22 PM ]
Dec 28, 2019 at 8:48 AM
Just as a Hunch in the beginning of the season I put $10 on him to win MVP to pay $350, damn I wish I put $100 lol
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