Lamar Jackson QB

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You have a point here good question.. as I look at gtd money it's blowing the field out of the water. On Watson. Almost to the point where BAL probably suspects CLE did this to a div rival on purpose.

CLE probably knew they were all in on Watson, which they never should have been, but if they are in on him, they are all in, as they have to forfeit the draft picks. They aren't cutting ties, they are married to him. So why not guarantee the whole thing, is probably CLE's thinking.

So BAL may not want to pony up the gtd money on Jackson, they aren't mortgaging their drafts going forward on Lamar, that makes sense to me. However if I am Atlanta looking at Ridder / Heinicke, or Washington with Howell / Brissett, why draft the next Kinlaw, when you can kick those picks to BAL and get Lamar, and if you are giving the picks like CLE did on Watson, why not gtd the thing to seal the deal?

You can view the traded picks as sunk cost, and move on. But you can't cut the remaining $140m or so, and are stuck with it.
Atl wasn't willing to go all in(gtd)on watson either. The reason teams do not want to do the huge($) fully guaranteed 5+yrs is it is detrimental to the team. If a player is willing to go moderate($) short(3>) fully guaranteed teams will go for it. But if watson does not pan out the browns have zero recourse. They can not build a strong team, and a QB that can'tcarry mediocre players.

But, if at the end of year 3 you have your 1st and a clean slate. You can sign an average vet for $35m get some talent around him and then look for your next QB.
Now you have a good team, and add a cheap young QB for a 7yr window.
Or stuck with a $70m QB for 2 years while you have to let your LT, DE, WR, and DT go due to cap space. And when you get your young QB the team is talent deprived(see the packers) and is set up for failure or an immediate payday.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Daniel Jones.. he's not in Lamar's universe imo. Or at least give me odds on D Jones ever winning an NFL MVP or leading NFL in TD passes.

If JG can set contract records with his 2nd deal, why can't Lamar get a 2nd deal, without as much hassle.

The cost for another team is trading picks or signing which is two firsts, if you are going in like that, you aren't gonna bail out thanks to non gtd money, what would be the point, you would lose a ton of capital in the draft for a one or two year rental.. that's why I say you are all in or out here..

perhaps the solution is Lamar will simply play on the tag, like Cousins.

My Mom told me to find someone who loves me the way you love Lamar.

In seriousness though, playing on the tag seems the most likely at this point. He seems to have completely botched any chance of drumming up trade interest absent some dramatic reductions in his asking price. If he keeps an actual agent and manages to stay healthy all year and carry his team to some playoff wins he probably gets closer to what he's asking for. Hard to give up a lot for someone who can't manage those things.

well I mean, come on here, JG balled for 5 games and got the biggest deal in league history (at the time).. is that all it takes? guy won NFL MVP, and yes he didn't have that season in 2022, it was a few years ago, but he's done a lot in the NFL on a rook deal, he crushed it

maybe Daniel Jones had the right idea.. lay low for a few years, then play your best ball in the contract year

I think your comparison timeframe is off. Jimmy G was kind of the "It kid" full of potential and promise when he came here and that's why he got the contract. If Jackson was coming off his MVP year then of course he gets paid, but just like Jimmy he is now up for a contract after some injuries and disappointing years.

Lamar a few years ago was worth relatively more than Lamar now.

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Daniel Jones.. he's not in Lamar's universe imo. Or at least give me odds on D Jones ever winning an NFL MVP or leading NFL in TD passes.

If JG can set contract records with his 2nd deal, why can't Lamar get a 2nd deal, without as much hassle.

The cost for another team is trading picks or signing which is two firsts, if you are going in like that, you aren't gonna bail out thanks to non gtd money, what would be the point, you would lose a ton of capital in the draft for a one or two year rental.. that's why I say you are all in or out here..

perhaps the solution is Lamar will simply play on the tag, like Cousins.

My Mom told me to find someone who loves me the way you love Lamar.

In seriousness though, playing on the tag seems the most likely at this point. He seems to have completely botched any chance of drumming up trade interest absent some dramatic reductions in his asking price. If he keeps an actual agent and manages to stay healthy all year and carry his team to some playoff wins he probably gets closer to what he's asking for. Hard to give up a lot for someone who can't manage those things.

well I mean, come on here, JG balled for 5 games and got the biggest deal in league history (at the time).. is that all it takes? guy won NFL MVP, and yes he didn't have that season in 2022, it was a few years ago, but he's done a lot in the NFL on a rook deal, he crushed it

maybe Daniel Jones had the right idea.. lay low for a few years, then play your best ball in the contract year

I think you comparison timeframe is off. Jimmy G was kind of the "It kid" full of potential and promise when he came here and that's why he got the contract. If Jackson was coming off his MVP year then of course he gets paid, but just like Jimmy he is now up for a contract after some injuries and disappointing years.

Lamar a few years ago was worth relatively more than Lamar now.

you are 100%.. it's what have you done for me lately.. like D Jones having his best ball.. I mean he didn't even get his 5th year option, and he got the bag.

I tend to view guys based on the body of work, not the most recent thing.

This does a good job of explaining the issues.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you are 100%.. it's what have you done for me lately.. like D Jones having his best ball.. I mean he didn't even get his 5th year option, and he got the bag.

I tend to view guys based on the body of work, not the most recent thing.

I admit to having developed a recent dislike for Lamar and that colors my commentary a bit. Prior to this free agency stuff I didn't really think about him much at all one way or the other as he was largely irrelevant when it came to the 49ers winning Superbowls. The guy had done some good stuff once but his overall trend line was at best horizontal and he came into free agency acting like he just set the world on fire. This was the first real window for me into his attitude and maturity and I didn't like what I saw at all.

I suspect every team he talked to came away with at least one good reason not to want him thereby self-sabotaging any chance to get traded. I think he plays for the Ravens on the tag but he is probably at least considering holding out.

I think the Ravens are screwed which makes me happy... unless some team gives up a ransom to get him in which case the Ravens win, the other team loses, and I get to laugh at the new team which has no picks, no money and a probably part-time QB... Just don't let it be the 49ers.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:
This does a good job of explaining the issues.

good vid here

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you are 100%.. it's what have you done for me lately.. like D Jones having his best ball.. I mean he didn't even get his 5th year option, and he got the bag.

I tend to view guys based on the body of work, not the most recent thing.

How much of Lamar's drop off is down to the lack of weapons last year, or the O-Line injuries the year before or (and maybe most likely) Greg Roman?

Lamar put the team on his back the last couple of years and was managing until he got injured.

The beating he's taken for the Ravens, should have seen them get this done years ago without doing him dirty now.

After reading the offers Lamar has rejected .... this is about Lamar wanting Mahomes $$$ .

Originally posted by jdt84_2:
This does a good job of explaining the issues.

Yes it does. Silly money though. Has to all come to a halt some day.

Are we finally getting near the tipping point where owners aren't going to keep giving in to high salary demands? I hope so. It's time these players join the real world and realize that $25 million per year is more than they will ever need in their life. They don't need $40 million per year. All that does is take money away from the players they need to be successful.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Are we finally getting near the tipping point where owners aren't going to keep giving in to high salary demands? I hope so. It's time these players join the real world and realize that $25 million per year is more than they will ever need in their life. They don't need $40 million per year. All that does is take money away from the players they need to be successful.

Television money has done this. Teams are now more divorced from their supporters than ever. I do wonder if the 49ers are trying to build a team with a strong enough roster that they don't need a superstar quarterback. I don't even know if this is possible. Quarterback contracts are beyond absurd now.

Originally posted by English:
Television money has done this. Teams are now more divorced from their supporters than ever. I do wonder if the 49ers are trying to build a team with a strong enough roster that they don't need a superstar quarterback. I don't even know if this is possible. Quarterback contracts are beyond absurd now.

That's an interesting thought. That's basically what we've had since 2018. Three trips to the NFC title game and one SB all with QBs that aren't superstars. Then you look at the teams with the superstar QBs and only KC has done better than the 49ers.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by English:
Television money has done this. Teams are now more divorced from their supporters than ever. I do wonder if the 49ers are trying to build a team with a strong enough roster that they don't need a superstar quarterback. I don't even know if this is possible. Quarterback contracts are beyond absurd now.

That's an interesting thought. That's basically what we've had since 2018. Three trips to the NFC title game and one SB all with QBs that aren't superstars. Then you look at the teams with the superstar QBs and only KC has done better than the 49ers.

Yep. And largely because of the injuries. I don't know if this is the plan but you have to imagine that owners and GM's are looking for a way forward that doesn't involve giving such a high percentage of the salary cap to one man. An important position, but maybe there are other ways.

Dont know.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
After reading the offers Lamar has rejected .... this is about Lamar wanting Mahomes $$$ .

Except Mahomes has $100 mil in guaranteed money. This is about earning more than the idiotic contract the Browns gave Watson, just so he can say that he has a bigger contract than the idiotic contract that the Browns gave Watson.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
After reading the offers Lamar has rejected .... this is about Lamar wanting Mahomes $$$ .

Except Mahomes has $100 mil in guaranteed money. This is about earning more than the idiotic contract the Browns gave Watson, just so he can say that he has a bigger contract than the idiotic contract that the Browns gave Watson.

Stupid ass Browns. Who were they competing against for Watson? That's what I always wonder when a player signs a ridiculous contract.