Lamar Jackson QB

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
On the market, you suggest the market has spoken.. it hasn't, there is still time here.

Why do you say it's not a dif of $13m? What I show is non exclusive, if he plays on it is $32 or so million.. exclusive is around $45m. That's a 13m diff.

If goal is resigning you show the guy some respect. We wouldn't non exclusive tag Bosa.. if we did that means we failed on two fronts: 1) we let it drag so long that we had to deploy the tag and 2) we game him the crappier of the two tags, he may take that personal in negotiations.

So he wants to wait for the market to catch up to his demands, ok if i am the ravens, i got him for the next 3 years at roughly $32-40-50m. If he sits out he loses money, if he plays like crap or "gets hurt" he loses leverage. Around that time the market may be in his area.

That 45 number drastically changed with watsons(and others) redone deal, he went from 55m to 19m. Jackson is #3 in cap hit/salary this year, which fits avg of top 5.

And if they give him the extra will it change his contract demands? If they are trying to get a deal done by july 15th will it matter that it is non exclusive? The answer to both is no.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
On the market, you suggest the market has spoken.. it hasn't, there is still time here.

Why do you say it's not a dif of $13m? What I show is non exclusive, if he plays on it is $32 or so million.. exclusive is around $45m. That's a 13m diff.

If goal is resigning you show the guy some respect. We wouldn't non exclusive tag Bosa.. if we did that means we failed on two fronts: 1) we let it drag so long that we had to deploy the tag and 2) we game him the crappier of the two tags, he may take that personal in negotiations.

So he wants to wait for the market to catch up to his demands, ok if i am the ravens, i got him for the next 3 years at roughly $32-40-50m. If he sits out he loses money, if he plays like crap or "gets hurt" he loses leverage. Around that time the market may be in his area.

That 45 number drastically changed with watsons(and others) redone deal, he went from 55m to 19m. Jackson is #3 in cap hit/salary this year, which fits avg of top 5.

And if they give him the extra will it change his contract demands? If they are trying to get a deal done by july 15th will it matter that it is non exclusive? The answer to both is no.

He ain't playing on $32. Does it make sense to you that Daniel Jones gets $40 and Lamar gets $32?

here is a good article on it

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-cant-lamar-jackson-find-the-contract-he-wants/

unanimous MVP
boosts his team more than any other QB

I think the point we're missing (again) is that Jalen earned this contract and the Eagles got it done instead of delaying.

We don't exactly know where the hold up is, but the Ravens should never have let it get this far.

The earlier you pay, the less you pay.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think the point we're missing (again) is that Jalen earned this contract and the Eagles got it done instead of delaying.

We don't exactly know where the hold up is, but the Ravens should never have let it get this far.

The earlier you pay, the less you pay.

The Ravens offered Jackson more real money than what Hurts got. A year ago.

All this shows is that LJ wasn't getting screwed. Dude should fire his agent and hire a better one.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think the point we're missing (again) is that Jalen earned this contract and the Eagles got it done instead of delaying.

We don't exactly know where the hold up is, but the Ravens should never have let it get this far.

The earlier you pay, the less you pay.

The Ravens offered Jackson more real money than what Hurts got. A year ago.

All this shows is that LJ wasn't getting screwed. Dude should fire his agent and hire a better one.

Lol, his mom and himself are his agent lol.

Big difference between Jalen and Lamar.
Jalen had his MVP caliber Superbowl run just in time, the contract year. Will he be able to replicate? Probably, his All Pro OL is still there, same as his elite WR duo. Defense lost some guys but doesn't really matter if you score 35+ points per game.

Lamar had his MVP season 4 years ago. The past 3 years have been a bunch of injuries and underperforming. But I'll give him the fact he has never had anything close to the supporting cast Jalen has.
The NFL is about what have you done for me lately. People keeps bringing the MVP from 2019 like it was yesterday. It is not relevant. What matters is what has happened the past 3 years: injuries.
Matt Ryan was an MVP in 2016 and he never replicated that performance. Neither did Cam Newton.
And Carson Wentz, got paid and traded across the league, because teams still believed on the one good year he had ages ago. The Commanders even punted their season when they started Wentz at the end of last year, which got them eliminated.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He ain't playing on $32. Does it make sense to you that Daniel Jones gets $40 and Lamar gets $32?

here is a good article on it

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-cant-lamar-jackson-find-the-contract-he-wants/

unanimous MVP
boosts his team more than any other QB

That article was a whole lotta fluff, he was great 4 years ago. And he does not boost his team more than any other QB, he just misses so much time you see the gap between starter and backup.

He can play on $32m or sit out and not get paid, i will franchises him again unless he gets a serious injury(then be happy i did not pay him HIS contract)
And we need to stop the daniel jones 40m crap because he is only making $21m this year and LJ has confirmed turning down a "bigger" contract than Hurts(133/3gtd). So he is making less because he is turning down more.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He ain't playing on $32. Does it make sense to you that Daniel Jones gets $40 and Lamar gets $32?

here is a good article on it

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-cant-lamar-jackson-find-the-contract-he-wants/

unanimous MVP
boosts his team more than any other QB

Lamar is worth more than both those guys, I've felt the issue has been Lamar wants them whole contract guaranteed and wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

They also used the non-exclusive on him to show him no one will give him that contract. Which I think has some sort of league collusion. Someone would sign him but the point is the league doesn't want to fully guarantee his contract.

daniel jones has essentially a 2-year contract.

Giants contract is awful and I think Philly overpaid hurts - but at least hurts is better/more potential than jones.

what people don't understand is that the 2023 cap is $225M. Lamar wants $50M+ fully guaranteed.
the qb market has got out of control. In 2018, jimmy was highest paid at $27.5M annual on 5 year contract

even if the salary cap goes up by $50M by 2016, thats only a 22.2% increase. The increase for quarterbacks alone have been much more than that. Other positions have increased as well. QBs are important and should be paid the most but there needs to be a correction because imagine where the QBs will be at this rate in 3 years by the time that weak ass $50M cap increases happens?

teams paying their QBs a huge salary cap have never won the super bowl, there is a reason for that. How do you keep your drafted talent when a massive portion of your salary cap is locked up on your qb? It's not super bowl winning salaries.

mahommes didn't make Anywhere near $50M last year or will he this year. So dumb. None of these guys are worth even 80% of what he is.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lamar is worth more than both those guys, I've felt the issue has been Lamar wants them whole contract guaranteed and wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

They also used the non-exclusive on him to show him no one will give him that contract. Which I think has some sort of league collusion. Someone would sign him but the point is the league doesn't want to fully guarantee his contract.

How is that collusion? You even said He is demanding a contract no team is willing to give him.
If the falcons offered him Hurts' contract 5 days ago he would likely have turned it down, and they are not willing to go more. The only collusion is they all have the same cap and know he is not worth 25% of it.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lamar is worth more than both those guys, I've felt the issue has been Lamar wants them whole contract guaranteed and wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

They also used the non-exclusive on him to show him no one will give him that contract. Which I think has some sort of league collusion. Someone would sign him but the point is the league doesn't want to fully guarantee his contract.

How is that collusion? You even said He is demanding a contract no team is willing to give him.
If the falcons offered him Hurts' contract 5 days ago he would likely have turned it down, and they are not willing to go more. The only collusion is they all have the same cap and know he is not worth 25% of it.

I think the collusion part is that the owners talked and said that no one offers him the guaranteed contract he is seeking, in an effort to stop future players from doing it. It was widely reported that the owners were pissed off at the browns for doing that with Watson. I think they're trying to stop more of that happening before it becomes the new standard.

i don't think it's really so much as them not wanting to pay lamar, it's more of the fully guaranteed that he has allegedly been demanding.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lamar is worth more than both those guys, I've felt the issue has been Lamar wants them whole contract guaranteed and wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

They also used the non-exclusive on him to show him no one will give him that contract. Which I think has some sort of league collusion. Someone would sign him but the point is the league doesn't want to fully guarantee his contract.

How is that collusion? You even said He is demanding a contract no team is willing to give him.
If the falcons offered him Hurts' contract 5 days ago he would likely have turned it down, and they are not willing to go more. The only collusion is they all have the same cap and know he is not worth 25% of it.

I think the collusion part is that the owners talked and said that no one offers him the guaranteed contract he is seeking, in an effort to stop future players from doing it. It was widely reported that the owners were pissed off at the browns for doing that with Watson. I think they're trying to stop more of that happening before it becomes the new standard.

i don't think it's really so much as them not wanting to pay lamar, it's more of the fully guaranteed that he has allegedly been demanding.

You think the owners had to get together to decide the browns are a dumb football team? Every non-browns fan already knows that and has no stake in the finances.

I don't think it would take 31 phone calls to draw the conclusion "don't be dumb like the browns and sign this guy to way too much guaranteed money."

The casual fan can eyeball and see Jackson is not worth that.

A lot of the rebuilding teams have new coaches that have egos that are not going to want to deal with a dude like Lamar who would challenge them on multiple items. They also all think they are geniuses so don't believe they need some savior QB to come in and save them.

Realistically teams that should even be interested in him is less than 10 and getting 10 guys who knows football to agree that he's not worth a fully guaranteed contract does not take some massive agreement.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lamar is worth more than both those guys, I've felt the issue has been Lamar wants them whole contract guaranteed and wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

They also used the non-exclusive on him to show him no one will give him that contract. Which I think has some sort of league collusion. Someone would sign him but the point is the league doesn't want to fully guarantee his contract.

How is that collusion? You even said He is demanding a contract no team is willing to give him.
If the falcons offered him Hurts' contract 5 days ago he would likely have turned it down, and they are not willing to go more. The only collusion is they all have the same cap and know he is not worth 25% of it.

I think the collusion part is that the owners talked and said that no one offers him the guaranteed contract he is seeking, in an effort to stop future players from doing it. It was widely reported that the owners were pissed off at the browns for doing that with Watson. I think they're trying to stop more of that happening before it becomes the new standard.

i don't think it's really so much as them not wanting to pay lamar, it's more of the fully guaranteed that he has allegedly been demanding.

You think the owners had to get together to decide the browns are a dumb football team? Every non-browns fan already knows that and has no stake in the finances.

I don't think it would take 31 phone calls to draw the conclusion "don't be dumb like the browns and sign this guy to way too much guaranteed money."

The casual fan can eyeball and see Jackson is not worth that.

A lot of the rebuilding teams have new coaches that have egos that are not going to want to deal with a dude like Lamar who would challenge them on multiple items. They also all think they are geniuses so don't believe they need some savior QB to come in and save them.

Realistically teams that should even be interested in him is less than 10 and getting 10 guys who knows football to agree that he's not worth a fully guaranteed contract does not take some massive agreement.

Lol okay. So your takeaway from what I said was that the owners got together and said the browns are dumb?

you realize it's illegal for companies to get together and price fix? For example: ATT, Verizon, T-MOBILE can't all come to an agreement in private for a fixed price for all plans so the public has no choice?

apple, Google, yahoo etc can't get together and come to an agreement in private on the max price they'll pay engineers? Which they've been sued for and lost.

that's illegal. That's collusion. So if all the owners are working in concert to make sure no players get that, in an effort to prevent guaranteed contracts to not become the norm, that's collusion. It's not a coincidence that no one has even made an offer to lamar.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol okay. So your takeaway from what I said was that the owners got together and said the browns are dumb?

you realize it's illegal for companies to get together and price fix? For example: ATT, Verizon, T-MOBILE can't all come to an agreement in private for a fixed price for all plans so the public has no choice?

apple, Google, yahoo etc can't get together and come to an agreement in private on the max price they'll pay engineers? Which they've been sued for and lost.

that's illegal. That's collusion. So if all the owners are working in concert to make sure no players get that, in an effort to prevent guaranteed contracts to not become the norm, that's collusion. It's not a coincidence that no one has even made an offer to lamar.

Im saying if I'm an owner it does not require a word to be spoken to not pay Jackson what he wants.

If every team is in a box and never said a word to each other 10 teams (and realistically it's like 3-4 that would actually be interested) they could easily draw the conclusion he's not worth a fully guaranteed market setting deal.

I honestly value him barely above Jimmy at about cousins level. He's good not great and has a horrible playoff record. Jalen is worth way more than him because he actually came within a coin flip of winning a SB.

Lamar hasn't even sniffed close to a SB.

I think ravens would have a hard time even trading him and getting any value even on the tag if he forces his way out.

There's a bunch of guys who are good QBs but can't will 4 wins a row to actually win a SB against good teams. He fits that category.

Jacksons won a single playoff game and lost 3. You think he can win 4 in a row? No freaking way. Why pay him record money then if he needs a team to carry him.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol okay. So your takeaway from what I said was that the owners got together and said the browns are dumb?

you realize it's illegal for companies to get together and price fix? For example: ATT, Verizon, T-MOBILE can't all come to an agreement in private for a fixed price for all plans so the public has no choice?

apple, Google, yahoo etc can't get together and come to an agreement in private on the max price they'll pay engineers? Which they've been sued for and lost.

that's illegal. That's collusion. So if all the owners are working in concert to make sure no players get that, in an effort to prevent guaranteed contracts to not become the norm, that's collusion. It's not a coincidence that no one has even made an offer to lamar.

Im saying if I'm an owner it does not require a word to be spoken to not pay Jackson what he wants.

If every team is in a box and never said a word to each other 10 teams (and realistically it's like 3-4 that would actually be interested) they could easily draw the conclusion he's not worth a fully guaranteed market setting deal.

I honestly value him barely above Jimmy at about cousins level. He's good not great and has a horrible playoff record. Jalen is worth way more than him because he actually came within a coin flip of winning a SB.

Lamar hasn't even sniffed close to a SB.

I think ravens would have a hard time even trading him and getting any value even on the tag if he forces his way out.

There's a bunch of guys who are good QBs but can't will 4 wins a row to actually win a SB against good teams. He fits that category.

Jacksons won a single playoff game and lost 3. You think he can win 4 in a row? No freaking way. Why pay him record money then if he needs a team to carry him.

Lol

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
You think the owners had to get together to decide the browns are a dumb football team? Every non-browns fan already knows that and has no stake in the finances.

Oh I'm pretty sure the Browns fans already knows it too!! They probably know it better than anyone.