Kirk Cousins

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Garoppolo is very good
Hoyer sucks
Bearhard sucks
Cousins is above average

Hoyer was brought in as a short term QB that already knew Shanahan's offense and could help everyone else hit the ground running in installing it. It was basically either him or Matt Schaub as far as veterans that knew the offense and were actually available. Not sure why anyone would complain about that. When you're blowing up the roster and filling it with a ton of young players, you want some smart veterans that can already run your system.


Beathard was a flyer on a QB with a strong arm, coming out of a pro style offense in college. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but no QB is ever guaranteed. Regardless of how good a QB evaluator a coach might be, everyone misses sometimes. Bill Walsh missed(Gio Carmazzi, told the Colts to pass on Peyton Manning.) Mike Holmgren missed(Brandon Weeden). Bill Belichick missed(Ryan Mallett). Ozzie Newsome(Kyle Boller). And on and on. Its not a science. Its a combination of evaluating skill+coaching+luck. In anycase, a late 3rd isn't a big deal. The vast majority of the QBs picked at that point in the draft tend to flop, no matter who is picking.


https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/





As far as Cousins goes, over the past 5 years he ranks Top 10 in the NFL in QB rating, completion %, Y/A and more categories. He's put up very good numbers while largely playing on crap teams. He may not be in the elite tier but he fits comfortably in that second good QB tier.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

atm I hate to say it...

Kirk 1-0 as starter in playoffs
Jimmy G 0-0 as starter in the playoffs

hope this changes after a week.

I still stick with my cousins has a better deep ball.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:
We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

I trust Kyle saw what Cousins had become as a qb and decided an unproven JG was a much better option.

Originally posted by dj43:
From what we know about the events surrounding the trade for Garoppolo, Kyle was handed a fait accompli. Reports indicate Kyle reluctantly accepted the trade because Cousins' signing with SF was not a sure thing. That is what we know from reports. You can hold your own opinion but that is what it is...opinion.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Garoppolo is very good
Hoyer sucks
Bearhard sucks
Cousins is above average

Hoyer was brought in as a short term QB that already knew Shanahan's offense and could help everyone else hit the ground running in installing it. It was basically either him or Matt Schaub as far as veterans that knew the offense and were actually available. Not sure why anyone would complain about that. When you're blowing up the roster and filling it with a ton of young players, you want some smart veterans that can already run your system.


Beathard was a flyer on a QB with a strong arm, coming out of a pro style offense in college. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but no QB is ever guaranteed. Regardless of how good a QB evaluator a coach might be, everyone misses sometimes. Bill Walsh missed(Gio Carmazzi, told the Colts to pass on Peyton Manning.) Mike Holmgren missed(Brandon Weeden). Bill Belichick missed(Ryan Mallett). Ozzie Newsome(Kyle Boller). And on and on. Its not a science. Its a combination of evaluating skill+coaching+luck. In anycase, a late 3rd isn't a big deal. The vast majority of the QBs picked at that point in the draft tend to flop, no matter who is picking.


https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/





As far as Cousins goes, over the past 5 years he ranks Top 10 in the NFL in QB rating, completion %, Y/A and more categories. He's put up very good numbers while largely playing on crap teams. He may not be in the elite tier but he fits comfortably in that second good QB tier.

8-12 best tier like Alex Smith.

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Jimmy is no Alex Smith. And I love me some Alex Smith. We lose 3-4 more games with smith playing this year.

Don't compare stats. Watch the games particulary 3rd down. We have a special qb

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

I trust Kyle saw what Cousins had become as a qb and decided an unproven JG was a much better option.

From what we know about the events surrounding the trade for Garoppolo, Kyle was handed a fait accompli. Reports indicate Kyle reluctantly accepted the trade because Cousins' signing with SF was not a sure thing. That is what we know from reports. You can hold your own opinion but that is what it is...opinion.

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Garoppolo is very good
Hoyer sucks
Bearhard sucks
Cousins is above average

Hoyer was brought in as a short term QB that already knew Shanahan's offense and could help everyone else hit the ground running in installing it. It was basically either him or Matt Schaub as far as veterans that knew the offense and were actually available. Not sure why anyone would complain about that. When you're blowing up the roster and filling it with a ton of young players, you want some smart veterans that can already run your system.


Beathard was a flyer on a QB with a strong arm, coming out of a pro style offense in college. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but no QB is ever guaranteed. Regardless of how good a QB evaluator a coach might be, everyone misses sometimes. Bill Walsh missed(Gio Carmazzi, told the Colts to pass on Peyton Manning.) Mike Holmgren missed(Brandon Weeden). Bill Belichick missed(Ryan Mallett). Ozzie Newsome(Kyle Boller). And on and on. Its not a science. Its a combination of evaluating skill+coaching+luck. In anycase, a late 3rd isn't a big deal. The vast majority of the QBs picked at that point in the draft tend to flop, no matter who is picking.


https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/





As far as Cousins goes, over the past 5 years he ranks Top 10 in the NFL in QB rating, completion %, Y/A and more categories. He's put up very good numbers while largely playing on crap teams. He may not be in the elite tier but he fits comfortably in that second good QB tier.

8-12 best tier like Alex Smith.

Jimmy is no Alex Smith. And I love me some Alex Smith. We lose 3-4 more games with smith playing this year.

Don't compare stats. Watch the games particulary 3rd down. We have a special qb

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Of course he isn't. This is the Cousins thread. Alex was a little better than Cousins is IMO and JG is better than both.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:
We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

I trust Kyle saw what Cousins had become as a qb and decided an unproven JG was a much better option.

From what we know about the events surrounding the trade for Garoppolo, Kyle was handed a fait accompli. Reports indicate Kyle reluctantly accepted the trade because Cousins' signing with SF was not a sure thing. That is what we know from reports. You can hold your own opinion but that is what it is...opinion.

If he was disappointed that casts doubts on his abilities to spot talent because JG >>>>>>>> Cousins. I am hoping Kyle saw that.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

I trust Kyle saw what Cousins had become as a qb and decided an unproven JG was a much better option.

From what we know about the events surrounding the trade for Garoppolo, Kyle was handed a fait accompli. Reports indicate Kyle reluctantly accepted the trade because Cousins' signing with SF was not a sure thing. That is what we know from reports. You can hold your own opinion but that is what it is...opinion.

If he was disappointed that casts doubts on his abilities to spot talent because JG >>>>>>>> Cousins. I am hoping Kyle saw that.

Perhaps "disappointed" might be too strong a word, but it was clear Kyle was going to be fine with Cousins if that was the way it broke. As to whether or not Kyle is a good judge of talent, I'll let Phoenix's post about picking talent suffice for my comment.

As for me, I'm fine with JG.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:
We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

I trust Kyle saw what Cousins had become as a qb and decided an unproven JG was a much better option.

From what we know about the events surrounding the trade for Garoppolo, Kyle was handed a fait accompli. Reports indicate Kyle reluctantly accepted the trade because Cousins' signing with SF was not a sure thing. That is what we know from reports. You can hold your own opinion but that is what it is...opinion.

If he was disappointed that casts doubts on his abilities to spot talent because JG >>>>>>>> Cousins. I am hoping Kyle saw that.

Perhaps "disappointed" might be too strong a word, but it was clear Kyle was going to be fine with Cousins if that was the way it broke. As to whether or not Kyle is a good judge of talent, I'll let Phoenix's post about picking talent suffice for my comment.

As for me, I'm fine with JG.

Could have had him if he wanted him but wisely chose the unproven Jimmy G. I have to say that does show a good judgement.

We got the right guy. A home run trade for sure. I am more than fine with JG.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by dj43:
We all hold Kyle Shanahan in high regard for his offensive genius.

Well...Kirk Cousins was THE guy he wanted to run his offense here. Kyle has seen what Cousins was capable of doing on a mediocre to poor Redskins team and wanted him as his long-term QB. That should inform us.

Shanahan drafted Beathard, brought in Hoyer and passed on Mahomes and Watson.

Love his playcalling, not his eye for qb talent. He lucked out with Jimmy G.

Let's keep things in context:

He drafted Beathard as a long-term backup for Cousins, not as the future FQB.

He brought in Hoyer to teach the offense to a bunch of guys who had never run it at all, not to be the long-term starter.

As to Mahomes and Watson, Kyle was convinced Cousins was coming to SF so why draft an unproven rookie?

He did not "luck out" with Garappolo. Belichick made Lynch a deal he couldn't refuse in the face of the outside chance that Cousins would not come to SF for whatever reason.

I'm staying with Kyle's opinion.

Cousins would have been a disaster here. He is above average but not good against good teams.

Kyle or John made a great decision to go with unproven JG over the established and older Cousins. Big prpps for that!

You don't know how Cousins would have done here under Kyle's direction and in his system. For that matter, neither do I. What I do know is that Kyle BELIEVED he would do well here otherwise he would not have been seeking to bring him here.

In Kyle we trust.

I trust Kyle saw what Cousins had become as a qb and decided an unproven JG was a much better option.

From what we know about the events surrounding the trade for Garoppolo, Kyle was handed a fait accompli. Reports indicate Kyle reluctantly accepted the trade because Cousins' signing with SF was not a sure thing. That is what we know from reports. You can hold your own opinion but that is what it is...opinion.

If he was disappointed that casts doubts on his abilities to spot talent because JG >>>>>>>> Cousins. I am hoping Kyle saw that.

Perhaps "disappointed" might be too strong a word, but it was clear Kyle was going to be fine with Cousins if that was the way it broke. As to whether or not Kyle is a good judge of talent, I'll let Phoenix's post about picking talent suffice for my comment.

As for me, I'm fine with JG.

Could have had him if he wanted him but wisely chose the unproven Jimmy G. I have to say that does show a good judgement.

We got the right guy. A home run trade for sure. I am more than fine with JG.

Your timeline is all messed up though. Yes, we are all more than fine with JG. But Kyle didnt have a chance to choose one or the other. One (JG) became available before the other (KC), and Kyle pounced.

All of your posts make it sound like Kyle had the option to choose one or the other and he chose Jimmy. That isnt what happened.