Kirk Cousins

Cousins is not worth 2 first rounders, Washington won't let him hit free agency without a tag.

As much as all the back and forth is interesting, I don't see it becomming relevant unless something is going on that I've missed in regards to Cousins and the Skins.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Again talking about stats in isolation. have you seen your posts? How about comparing their WR's and supporting casts? i have already been through this with you. The redskins Redzone scheme/scoring sucks, and neither of their 1/2 Wr's are really scoring threats. Especially as the field shortens. Go looks at their career scoring numbers. And LOL at posting starts of a QB that had 3 more TD's and acting like he is light years better.

The fact that you run around here acting like Cousins is a bad QB shows how little credibility you have. We get it. You want one specific guy. maybe two. and if we get anyone else then its chicken little time.

What Cousins "numbers are telling me" is that yes, Cousins can and will be an elite QB in this league.

Im not the one disregarding stats. Look at the comp%. Look at the QBR. Look at the talent at WR.

If you are refusing to accept facts, then I can't help you there.

Carr's 3 additional TDs is not the issue here, it is Cousins' high TO ratio, throwing twice as many picks as Carr. Obviously, you haven't read a word that I typed.

Oh, and I am being nice to you, I could have used QBs with better stats too.

Cousins is elite (my as*) LOL.

Put down the pipe, son!!

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Again talking about stats in isolation. have you seen your posts? How about comparing their WR's and supporting casts? i have already been through this with you. The redskins Redzone scheme/scoring sucks, and neither of their 1/2 Wr's are really scoring threats. Especially as the field shortens. Go looks at their career scoring numbers. And LOL at posting starts of a QB that had 3 more TD's and acting like he is light years better.

The fact that you run around here acting like Cousins is a bad QB shows how little credibility you have. We get it. You want one specific guy. maybe two. and if we get anyone else then its chicken little time.

What Cousins "numbers are telling me" is that yes, Cousins can and will be an elite QB in this league.

Im not the one disregarding stats. Look at the comp%. Look at the QBR. Look at the talent at WR.

If you are refusing to accept facts, then I can't help you there.

Carr's 3 additional TDs is not the issue here, it is Cousins' high TO ratio, throwing twice as many picks as Carr. Obviously, you haven't read a word that I typed.

Oh, and I am being nice to you, I could have used QBs with better stats too.

Cousins is elite (my as*) LOL.

Put down the pipe, son!!

You guys are just going to have to agree to differ. It isn't that much of a point unless and until the Niners sign him.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Cousins is overrated, I say pass.

pass and do what? If we draft a QB at 2 overall and he becomes as good as Cousins is that's a big win for the organization. Chances are that won't happen. My hesitation with Cousins is 100% about what we have to give up to get him...not about the contract or how good he is.

Either San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan sent Kirk Cousins a message or it's coincidence.

According to reports, Kyle Shanahan said the 49ers aren't looking for a "short-term fix" when it comes to the quarterback position.
Shanahan said, via Cam Inman of the

San Jose Mercury News that, "You want to make a commitment to somebody. In order to do that, you better make sure you're on the same page with everyone else and you put the time in, you talk to people who've been with these guys." He added, "In order to feel good about a quarterback, I need to spend a lot of time on them…It's not always the first time you watch them. You might come back the next day, see the same stuff and feel a little different. … It's too important a decision to just make an impulsive move."

These comments come on the heels of rumors speculating Cousins is done trying to land a long-term deal. Cousins has always said he'd take the franchise tag with no worries. However, with Shanahan lighting the beacons out West, Cousins now knows there's someone out there that shares his vision. Cousins and Shanahan work well together.


It's very doubtful the 49ers will re-sign political activist/sometimes quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Now you've got to wonder if this will spark the Redskins to make an early decision before it's too late. More than likely, they'll continue watching from a distance.


Once they see what his options are, they'll present their offer. Either way, Kyle Shanahan pulled a slick move: Present the job description, and see if he bites.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Cousins is not worth 2 first rounders, Washington won't let him hit free agency without a tag.

As much as all the back and forth is interesting, I don't see it becomming relevant unless something is going on that I've missed in regards to Cousins and the Skins.

I just read yesterday that Washington is seriously considering letting Cousins hit FA to set his true market value. If he is leaving next year anyway why set your team back another year? If Cousins really doesn't want to be there then you need to start looking for his replacement now. Cousins is due roughly 25 million this year and $35 next year. Washington waited to long to give him a contract and now they are going to pay the price. Nobody wants to work with a disgruntled employee, especially one who plays QB. Its not completely out of the question.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Cousins is not worth 2 first rounders, Washington won't let him hit free agency without a tag.

As much as all the back and forth is interesting, I don't see it becomming relevant unless something is going on that I've missed in regards to Cousins and the Skins.

I just read yesterday that Washington is seriously considering letting Cousins hit FA to set his true market value. If he is leaving next year anyway why set your team back another year? If Cousins really doesn't want to be there then you need to start looking for his replacement now. Cousins is due roughly 25 million this year and $35 next year. Washington waited to long to give him a contract and now they are going to pay the price. Nobody wants to work with a disgruntled employee, especially one who plays QB. Its not completely out of the question.

Odd. Not sure I see why Wash. should do this.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Cousins is not worth 2 first rounders, Washington won't let him hit free agency without a tag.

As much as all the back and forth is interesting, I don't see it becomming relevant unless something is going on that I've missed in regards to Cousins and the Skins.

I just read yesterday that Washington is seriously considering letting Cousins hit FA to set his true market value. If he is leaving next year anyway why set your team back another year? If Cousins really doesn't want to be there then you need to start looking for his replacement now. Cousins is due roughly 25 million this year and $35 next year. Washington waited to long to give him a contract and now they are going to pay the price. Nobody wants to work with a disgruntled employee, especially one who plays QB. Its not completely out of the question.

Odd. Not sure I see why Wash. should do this.

Because they reportedly only think he is worth about 16 million per year. That is the last contract they offered him. They don't want to spend the bulk of their salary cap on one player and risk the future. Ill try to find the article. It belongs in this thread.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Absolutely not!! Derek Carr was my favourite QB in that draft class. You got the wrong guy.

And when did I tell you not to look in the past?

You make Kirk Cousins sound elite which cannot be any further from the truth. Let's just take it as what he really is, he is OK, he is not sh*t, but he ain't great neither.

Look at the stats, bro. Cousins has been very consistent from Michigan State till now. It is what it is. The dude is average with the rest of the pack.

There is nothing to argue about. If Shanahan wants him, then be it and good luck with that. I hope he doesn't, it would be a massively myopic move.

Cousins is just a 2 year starter....realize that when you try to bring down his statistics. He's ranked top 3 in yardage. Top 10 in QB rating and Top 10 in Completion %. He was also top 5 in the league in adjusted QBR. The guy is elite and no matter how you want to discredit him he's going to be paid like a franchise QB and treated as such in this league. Oh and consider just how average the talent on his Washington Redskins have been the last two years as well. If Shanahan can pull of a reasonable trade for him you can put him down as QB option #1 for this team IMO.

Originally posted by Rascal:
If you are refusing to accept facts, then I can't help you there.

Carr's 3 additional TDs is not the issue here, it is Cousins' high TO ratio, throwing twice as many picks as Carr. Obviously, you haven't read a word that I typed.

Oh, and I am being nice to you, I could have used QBs with better stats too.

Cousins is elite (my as*) LOL.

Put down the pipe, son!!

Carr's QBR is literally over 10 points less than Cousins. You can't ignore the 4 rushing TDs that Cousins has contributed to none for Carr. 12 picks is not a lot, especially when you compare it to other Franchise QB's like Drew Brees (15), Phillip Rivers (21), Joe Flacco (15), Andrew Luck (13), Carson Palmer (14), Jameis Winston (18), Eli Manning (16), Ben Rothlisberger (13), Cam Newton (14).

If you are basing your rankings on INT's tossed then are you putting Kap (4) ahead of Carr(6)?

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Cousins is not worth 2 first rounders, Washington won't let him hit free agency without a tag.

As much as all the back and forth is interesting, I don't see it becomming relevant unless something is going on that I've missed in regards to Cousins and the Skins.

I just read yesterday that Washington is seriously considering letting Cousins hit FA to set his true market value. If he is leaving next year anyway why set your team back another year? If Cousins really doesn't want to be there then you need to start looking for his replacement now. Cousins is due roughly 25 million this year and $35 next year. Washington waited to long to give him a contract and now they are going to pay the price. Nobody wants to work with a disgruntled employee, especially one who plays QB. Its not completely out of the question.

Odd. Not sure I see why Wash. should do this.

Because they reportedly only think he is worth about 16 million per year. That is the last contract they offered him. They don't want to spend the bulk of their salary cap on one player and risk the future. Ill try to find the article. It belongs in this thread.

I'd like to read it. So, if memory serves that leaves them starting Colt McCoy in 2017?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Cousins is not worth 2 first rounders, Washington won't let him hit free agency without a tag.

As much as all the back and forth is interesting, I don't see it becomming relevant unless something is going on that I've missed in regards to Cousins and the Skins.

I just read yesterday that Washington is seriously considering letting Cousins hit FA to set his true market value. If he is leaving next year anyway why set your team back another year? If Cousins really doesn't want to be there then you need to start looking for his replacement now. Cousins is due roughly 25 million this year and $35 next year. Washington waited to long to give him a contract and now they are going to pay the price. Nobody wants to work with a disgruntled employee, especially one who plays QB. Its not completely out of the question.

Odd. Not sure I see why Wash. should do this.

Because they reportedly only think he is worth about 16 million per year. That is the last contract they offered him. They don't want to spend the bulk of their salary cap on one player and risk the future. Ill try to find the article. It belongs in this thread.

I'd like to read it. So, if memory serves that leaves them starting Colt McCoy in 2017?

Ill find it, its somewhere. But with the franchise tag he would account for 37% of their available cap and 15% of the total cap. Plus they have a ton of FA hitting the market this year.

As far as QB they could go a bunch of different routes. Im not sure they would want Colt starting. Tyrod Taylor could be a good fit for them though.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Again talking about stats in isolation. have you seen your posts? How about comparing their WR's and supporting casts? i have already been through this with you. The redskins Redzone scheme/scoring sucks, and neither of their 1/2 Wr's are really scoring threats. Especially as the field shortens. Go looks at their career scoring numbers. And LOL at posting starts of a QB that had 3 more TD's and acting like he is light years better.

The fact that you run around here acting like Cousins is a bad QB shows how little credibility you have. We get it. You want one specific guy. maybe two. and if we get anyone else then its chicken little time.

What Cousins "numbers are telling me" is that yes, Cousins can and will be an elite QB in this league.

Im not the one disregarding stats. Look at the comp%. Look at the QBR. Look at the talent at WR.

I gotta say... if you wanna argue for Cousins, don't bring up receivers. He has he best group of receivers in the NFL besides the cardinals maybe. Most QBs would kill to have that group.

Originally posted by English:

I'd like to read it. So, if memory serves that leaves them starting Colt McCoy in 2017?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/2/18/14650372/kirk-cousins-free-agency-franchise-tag-washington-2017-offseason

Here it is, Its a pretty good read.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Again talking about stats in isolation. have you seen your posts? How about comparing their WR's and supporting casts? i have already been through this with you. The redskins Redzone scheme/scoring sucks, and neither of their 1/2 Wr's are really scoring threats. Especially as the field shortens. Go looks at their career scoring numbers. And LOL at posting starts of a QB that had 3 more TD's and acting like he is light years better.

The fact that you run around here acting like Cousins is a bad QB shows how little credibility you have. We get it. You want one specific guy. maybe two. and if we get anyone else then its chicken little time.

What Cousins "numbers are telling me" is that yes, Cousins can and will be an elite QB in this league.

Im not the one disregarding stats. Look at the comp%. Look at the QBR. Look at the talent at WR.

I gotta say... if you wanna argue for Cousins, don't bring up receivers. He has he best group of receivers in the NFL besides the cardinals maybe. Most QBs would kill to have that group.

They are not elite scoring WR's. Thats fact. look at their career numbers. Even with Manning Garcon was not lighting the world on fire with TD's And Jackson is pretty much worthless in the redzone. Both his 1/2 are able to put up YAC, so that accounts for some of his passing yardage, but neither are efficeint scoring WR's and thats been the knock on cousins for last season was his td/int ration.