Seattle Seahawks thread

It really amazes me, how this keeps happening.

How anyone can watch this and not call hands to the face has obvious homerism. They were clearly letting them play.

And it's within 5 yards. It's the same s**t dick does every down. It's never called.

But grabbing the right arm of a damn good receiver, at the most crucial part of the game, while being hit before the ball gets there by ANOTHER defender, that's COMPLETELY different.

At least, that's how is was before 2012...

Originally posted by beastalamode:

How anyone can watch this and not call hands to the face has obvious homerism. They were clearly letting them play.

Typical pathetic 1-2s trying to repress what they know in their immature little football hearts : only luck has driven that team's pseudo success.

Originally posted by Morgan49:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
is he being srs?

Oh yeah, he's serious all right.

I noticed .NET has been talking about this non stop too.

Man, those guys have a rebuttal for everything.

Originally posted by Morgan49:
And it's within 5 yards. It's the same s**t dick does every down. It's never called.

But grabbing the right arm of a damn good receiver, at the most crucial part of the game, while being hit before the ball gets there by ANOTHER defender, that's COMPLETELY different.

At least, that's how is was before 2012...

Excellent point. Where would Sherman be If he couldn't slow down WRs at the LOS at all?

While we debate the finer points of that last play for Atlanta .... some other thoughts on the game:

This is like the millionth time I noticed this: so many offensive plays for Seattle have a receiver (usually an RB or TE) in the flats open so freaking fast off the snap that Wilson has such an easy time getting yards. I can't recall the last time I've ever seen a Niner RB/TE get open so easily against a defense. The few times Miller got "wide" open, he still had to struggle to get his yards.

A lot of quick open outlets in the middle were also available to Wilson to bail him out on blitzes.

Any QB (even our QBs) could easily make all of those reads and throws. These throws have nothing to do with anticipation whatsoever.

I have to say that Darrell Bevell is a heck of an OC for creating these opportunities for Wilson time and time again. The Seahawk fans wish that his car falls off a bridge, but majority of the time Wilson has very easy throws to make.

Andy Benoit pointed it out in the Jets game, and I typically agree that Wilson gets antsy and wanting to leave the pocket the few times these very quick throws do not avail themselves at his luxury.

This is not to suggest that Wilson is complete garbage, which is what I'm sure the annoying 1-2s will try and read into. It's just that it kills me how many easy throws that offense has set him up for, and he gets credit like he's Peyton Manning 2013 picking apart great defenses.

Originally posted by beastalamode:


How anyone can watch this and not call hands to the face has obvious homerism. They were clearly letting them play.

That's outrageous. Are the refs blind.

Originally posted by Morgan49:
And it's within 5 yards. It's the same s**t dick does every down. It's never called.

But grabbing the right arm of a damn good receiver, at the most crucial part of the game, while being hit before the ball gets there by ANOTHER defender, that's COMPLETELY different.

At least, that's how is was before 2012...

Its not fair.

If your not cheating, your not comPETEing.

I see the actual rules of the game is not important in this thread, copy that. Doesn't matter if it's within 5 yrds, hands to the face is a penalty, it was blatant on that play, and it was not called. At the very least, should of been offsetting penalties, replay the down.

Regardless I find it pretty comical in the RW mic'd up video edited by NFL films, they edited that play alright, and what it now looks like is, Julio just gets a free release , Sherman is not even in the picture, when we all know Sherman was playing press on the play, then of course the show the PI down the field. I guess offsetting penalties on that particular play was not in the NFL narrative. Seahawks must remain the bad guys. But I know some folks around the league think Seahawks are one of the leagues golden child.

Just like that ridiculous call on the Brees hit a few years back, bad calls / no calls are made in every game every Sunday, and anybody who claims different is not being realistic. Personally I think the league and fans have become pu**sified, calling for flags after every play. Some of the best db's in NFL history would never have had the success they had in today's NFL, and that includes Lott and Easley.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
is he being srs?

Yeah bro these sea-hawk fans are new to football and don't know s**t.

I've been a Hawk fan since 76, so not so new, was a Rams and Niner fan before that. Matter of fact when Seahawks were in the AFW, my second favorite team was the Niners then the Rams. Loved the Youngbloods and Wendell Tyler, Dickerson, and of course loved Lott and Roger craig, Taylor among others. So if I had to guess I'd say I've been playing/watching football a little longer than you, and would venture to add, I've probably been a Niners fan longer than you?

So tell me, what is it I don't know sh**t about? Are you saying it wasn't hands to the face, and that's not a penalty?

Lol @ 1-2's thinking any ref would throw the flag in dick's favor in that situation.

I'd seriously my ass off.

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:

I've been a Hawk fan since 76, so not so new, was a Rams and Niner fan before that. Matter of fact when Seahawks were in the AFW, my second favorite team was the Niners then the Rams. Loved the Youngbloods and Wendell Tyler, Dickerson, and of course loved Lott and Roger craig, Taylor among others. So if I had to guess I'd say I've been playing/watching football a little longer than you, and would venture to add, I've probably been a Niners fan longer than you?

So tell me, what is it I don't know sh**t about? Are you saying it wasn't hands to the face, and that's not a penalty?

2nd favorite team???? My favorite teams go niners 1 and whoever playing the Hawks 2nd. But yes it was hands to the face. And Sherman and Thomas commited passing interference.

Here is my perspective on the PI in the Falcons game, and more specifically the national conversation that seems to be coming out of it. I've never tried to hide I'm a Seahawks fan, so take it how you will. We can all have fun deciding how egregious Sherman's holding was (it was blatant), whether Julio could have been called for illegal hands to the face (I think it unlikely and there is probably a better argument for a headslap which is illegal no matter where you do it - but I'm not convinced of that either). If you watch the whole play beginning to end, you can see at least 5 fouls being committed by both teams, including a tackle on Cassius Marsh by the Falcons lineman. My point is that if you put any play under the microscope, you are going to see several players on both teams doing things they shouldn't be doing. My concern is, do we really want that microscope?

Now lets take the fact that it was the hated Seahawks benefiting from a missed call out of the equation and think about the larger picture. In the national press, there are people who are using this as an opportunity to lobby for PI being a reviewable call. I have a bit of an issue with this. I am a fan of a CFL team and PI is in its 3rd year of being a challengeable play. Kevin Seifert from ESPN wrote an article recently lobbying exactly for this (sorry, I'd link it but I'm too technology incompetent!) and holds up the CFL as a shining example of how the rule is awesome! In his version, only the PI on Sherman would be reviewable (he mentions, but dismisses the significance of Julio's head slap). My issue with going down this road is that we've seen many unforseen things come out of this in the CFL. In their rule book and not in Seifert's fantasy world, once that challenge flag is thrown all aspects of the play are reviewed and the control center (not the ref on the field) will look for and rule on any OPI as well as DPI, illegal blocking downfield by a receiver, illegal contact by either player, both offense or defense etc. So whatever you want to call what Julio did within 5 yards of the LOS, it would at least have been reviewed and ruled on. Guess what 3 years of challenges have shown us in Canada? We've found that illegal things occur on every play (according to the letter of the law), so any time a team has a drive stall at a critical time (still only allowed 2 challenges per game), out comes the challenge flag. The new strategy is to try to throw a jumpball into double coverage to your tallest reciever(the end of game play by the Falcons looked very familiar to me). Ideally your guy comes down with the ball, but if he doesn't throw the flag and hope a defensive back paniced and put a hand on the receiver. If you don't get the PI, you still might get a defensive hold call. Instant field position on a play that should never be rewarded. Also, coaches are now throwing the flag for PI occuring away from the play. Think about that. The ball is in the air, going to another receiver and something that happened away from the play can get you instant field position and a new set of downs.

The play in the CFL has been slowed down to the point it is almost as unwatchable as the referee crew made Monday night football this week. In fact, it is so bad that the CFL for the first time in its 104 year history implemented a new rule at mid season, so that coaches throwing random flags "just because" now lose a time out if their first challenge is not successful. In the big scheme of things I will put up with the imperfections of the human ref's rather than go down the road the CFL has tried. Sometimes you get a non call go in favour of your team like Sherman vs Julio, and sometimes you are on the short end. Baldwin getting knocked off his route in the end zone when the ball was in the air vs the Chiefs in 2014 was at least as blatant an interference as what we saw on Sunday and also the last play of the game for Seattle's offense. We didn't get the call. In those cases, I'm all in favour of cursing Goodell, the football Gods and whoever thought it was a good idea to put a ref on the field that shouldn't be allowed out in public without a service dog. However I am not, and never will be in favour of making PI challengable. The cure is truly worse than the disease.