Seattle Seahawks thread

". Baldwin getting knocked off his route in the end zone when the ball was in the air vs the Chiefs in 2014 was at least as blatant an interference as what we saw on Sunday and also the last play of the game for Seattle's offense. We didn't get the call. "

I didn't watch the whole game, but saw the ending a few times on Inside the NFL......Wilson turned it over on downs from behind the 50 yard line, or at least far away from the end zone -- no hail mary.

Unless that play you mentioned happened on the drive prior, it certainly didn't happen on the Seahawks final offensive possession of that football game.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
". Baldwin getting knocked off his route in the end zone when the ball was in the air vs the Chiefs in 2014 was at least as blatant an interference as what we saw on Sunday and also the last play of the game for Seattle's offense. We didn't get the call. "

I didn't watch the whole game, but saw the ending a few times on Inside the NFL......Wilson turned it over on downs from behind the 50 yard line, or at least far away from the end zone -- no hail mary.

Unless that play you mentioned happened on the drive prior, it certainly didn't happen on the Seahawks final offensive possession of that football game.

You are correct. I should have looked it up instead of going by memory. The play happened - but you are right, not at the end of game. Plus, our D couldn't stop Jamal Charles, so there were other reasons we lost the game. My point was that I prefer the imperfections of what we get now vs this call for making PI reviewable.

Here is an article from Fox Q13 in Seattle on Nov 21, 2014 where it puts the time remaining at over 6 minutes.
"According to USA TODAY, head officials called Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll and admitted the officiating crew should have called a pass interference against Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith for shoving receiver Doug Baldwin on a crucial fourth-and-goal with 6:33 left in the game Sunday."

Originally posted by Morgan49:
Lol @ 1-2's thinking any ref would throw the flag in dick's favor in that situation.

I'd seriously my ass off.

Absolutely not, I'm just glad I could help you out with the rule in that situation.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:
I've been a Hawk fan since 76, so not so new, was a Rams and Niner fan before that. Matter of fact when Seahawks were in the AFW, my second favorite team was the Niners then the Rams. Loved the Youngbloods and Wendell Tyler, Dickerson, and of course loved Lott and Roger craig, Taylor among others. So if I had to guess I'd say I've been playing/watching football a little longer than you, and would venture to add, I've probably been a Niners fan longer than you?

So tell me, what is it I don't know sh**t about? Are you saying it wasn't hands to the face, and that's not a penalty?

2nd favorite team???? My favorite teams go niners 1 and whoever playing the Hawks 2nd. But yes it was hands to the face. And Sherman and Thomas commited passing interference.

Hey, when you're team sucks for decades, you gotta do what you gotta do. The Niners represented what I wanted my Seahawks to be like, guess that's why I liked them. But let's be clear, they're rivals now, and I root against them every chance I get. I still have respect for the organization, but the current ownership is beyond words.

Originally posted by Canfan:

Here is my perspective on the PI in the Falcons game, and more specifically the national conversation that seems to be coming out of it. I've never tried to hide I'm a Seahawks fan, so take it how you will. We can all have fun deciding how egregious Sherman's holding was (it was blatant), whether Julio could have been called for illegal hands to the face (I think it unlikely and there is probably a better argument for a headslap which is illegal no matter where you do it - but I'm not convinced of that either). If you watch the whole play beginning to end, you can see at least 5 fouls being committed by both teams, including a tackle on Cassius Marsh by the Falcons lineman. My point is that if you put any play under the microscope, you are going to see several players on both teams doing things they shouldn't be doing. My concern is, do we really want that microscope?

Now lets take the fact that it was the hated Seahawks benefiting from a missed call out of the equation and think about the larger picture. In the national press, there are people who are using this as an opportunity to lobby for PI being a reviewable call. I have a bit of an issue with this. I am a fan of a CFL team and PI is in its 3rd year of being a challengeable play. Kevin Seifert from ESPN wrote an article recently lobbying exactly for this (sorry, I'd link it but I'm too technology incompetent!) and holds up the CFL as a shining example of how the rule is awesome! In his version, only the PI on Sherman would be reviewable (he mentions, but dismisses the significance of Julio's head slap). My issue with going down this road is that we've seen many unforseen things come out of this in the CFL. In their rule book and not in Seifert's fantasy world, once that challenge flag is thrown all aspects of the play are reviewed and the control center (not the ref on the field) will look for and rule on any OPI as well as DPI, illegal blocking downfield by a receiver, illegal contact by either player, both offense or defense etc. So whatever you want to call what Julio did within 5 yards of the LOS, it would at least have been reviewed and ruled on. Guess what 3 years of challenges have shown us in Canada? We've found that illegal things occur on every play (according to the letter of the law), so any time a team has a drive stall at a critical time (still only allowed 2 challenges per game), out comes the challenge flag. The new strategy is to try to throw a jumpball into double coverage to your tallest reciever(the end of game play by the Falcons looked very familiar to me). Ideally your guy comes down with the ball, but if he doesn't throw the flag and hope a defensive back paniced and put a hand on the receiver. If you don't get the PI, you still might get a defensive hold call. Instant field position on a play that should never be rewarded. Also, coaches are now throwing the flag for PI occuring away from the play. Think about that. The ball is in the air, going to another receiver and something that happened away from the play can get you instant field position and a new set of downs.

The play in the CFL has been slowed down to the point it is almost as unwatchable as the referee crew made Monday night football this week. In fact, it is so bad that the CFL for the first time in its 104 year history implemented a new rule at mid season, so that coaches throwing random flags "just because" now lose a time out if their first challenge is not successful. In the big scheme of things I will put up with the imperfections of the human ref's rather than go down the road the CFL has tried. Sometimes you get a non call go in favour of your team like Sherman vs Julio, and sometimes you are on the short end. Baldwin getting knocked off his route in the end zone when the ball was in the air vs the Chiefs in 2014 was at least as blatant an interference as what we saw on Sunday and also the last play of the game for Seattle's offense. We didn't get the call. In those cases, I'm all in favour of cursing Goodell, the football Gods and whoever thought it was a good idea to put a ref on the field that shouldn't be allowed out in public without a service dog. However I am not, and never will be in favour of making PI challengable. The cure is truly worse than the disease.

What's ur team? Bc lions season ticket holder here

Originally posted by crabman82:
What's ur team? Bc lions season ticket holder here

Blue Bombers. Proud supporter of the team with the longest championship drought in the league! Curious what your take is on the PI rule as its being done it the CFL. Do you like it?

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:

Hey, when you're team sucks for decades, you gotta do what you gotta do. The Niners represented what I wanted my Seahawks to be like, guess that's why I liked them. But let's be clear, they're rivals now, and I root against them every chance I get. I still have respect for the organization, but the current ownership is beyond words.

I can toast to that. I have a lot of respect for the Hawks scouting and drafting department. While the niners were and are bad I just watch football to enjoy football. It's kinda nice. Not having to stress about winning every week. But nothing feels better than a win on our way to the playoffs.

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:
I've been a Hawk fan since 76, so not so new, was a Rams and Niner fan before that. Matter of fact when Seahawks were in the AFW, my second favorite team was the Niners then the Rams. Loved the Youngbloods and Wendell Tyler, Dickerson, and of course loved Lott and Roger craig, Taylor among others. So if I had to guess I'd say I've been playing/watching football a little longer than you, and would venture to add, I've probably been a Niners fan longer than you?

So tell me, what is it I don't know sh**t about? Are you saying it wasn't hands to the face, and that's not a penalty?

2nd favorite team???? My favorite teams go niners 1 and whoever playing the Hawks 2nd. But yes it was hands to the face. And Sherman and Thomas commited passing interference.

Hey, when you're team sucks for decades, you gotta do what you gotta do. The Niners represented what I wanted my Seahawks to be like, guess that's why I liked them.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:
Hey, when you're team sucks for decades, you gotta do what you gotta do. The Niners represented what I wanted my Seahawks to be like, guess that's why I liked them. But let's be clear, they're rivals now, and I root against them every chance I get. I still have respect for the organization, but the current ownership is beyond words.

I can toast to that. I have a lot of respect for the Hawks scouting and drafting department. While the niners were and are bad I just watch football to enjoy football. It's kinda nice. Not having to stress about winning every week. But nothing feels better than a win on our way to the playoffs.

And to be honest I rank the real Seahawks fans as some of the most intelligent fan bases in the league up with the Steelers. I'm sure true fans like yourself hated all the bandwagon fans you gathered a few years back. Bandwagon fans are the only kind of fan I can't stand. Well and Bronco fans.

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:
I see the actual rules of the game is not important in this thread, copy that. Doesn't matter if it's within 5 yrds, hands to the face is a penalty, it was blatant on that play, and it was not called. At the very least, should of been offsetting penalties, replay the down.

Technically it was offsetting penalties, but let's be honest, the offsetting penalties rule is a joke. Hands to the face should not offset with a 30+ yard pass interference penalty. I know that is technically how the rule is enforced, but penalties of different magnitudes should not cancel each other out like that. Besides, that's ticky-tacky stuff that happens on dozens of plays throughout a given game. The pass interference was absolutely egregious; it was so bad that you could make a legitimate argument that Sherman and Thomas both committed pass interference on that play.

So, no, sorry, excuse us if we're not receptive to the mental gymnastic straw grasping that Seahawks fans are coming up with.

Grasping at straws? So just to be clear, you agree it was a penalty and should have been called, which would have resulted in offsetting penalties. So I'm confused at the grasping at straws comment. That is the current rule, if two players on both sides of the ball commit a penalty, those penalties will offset each other and the down will be replayed. Seahawk fans didn't make that rule. So not sure how us Seahawk fans are doing mental gymnastics?

Also to that argument, one could speculate, had Julio not knocked Sherman off balance like he did at the line, Sherman could have gotten himself into better position down the field to make a legit play on the ball, possible yes? but we'll never know that because the illegal slap to the head, or hand to the face whatever you want to call it was committed and he was knocked off balance.

For all the 1-2s writing essays around the internet arguing "face mask" (lol) vs. Sherman's PI..

What about Earl Thomas' PI? Last I checked, tackling a guy's leg before a catch is a PI. So in this imaginary world of off-setting penalties.. 1-2s are still over

Originally posted by Canfan:

Originally posted by crabman82:

What's ur team? Bc lions season ticket holder here

Blue Bombers. Proud supporter of the team with the longest championship drought in the league! Curious what your take is on the PI rule as its being done it the CFL. Do you like it?

I did at first but as u mentioned in your earlier post it's become a bit of a s**t show

Originally posted by judodono:
For all the 1-2s writing essays around the internet arguing "face mask" (lol) vs. Sherman's PI..

What about Earl Thomas' PI? Last I checked, tackling a guy's leg before a catch is a PI. So in this imaginary world of off-setting penalties.. 1-2s are still over

Copy that "still over"

Is that what you guys call us, the 1-2's, just out of curiosity what does that mean, haven't been on these boards in a while, missed that conversation.