Seattle Seahawks thread

I will remind others of a post I made a few pages back:
Seahawk fans NEVER EVER can fully admit to luck, bad call, benefit of the doubt, etc.

I remember the 49ers/Giants 2002 wildcard game where the Niners got a beneficial break at the end of the game that cost the Giants a shot at re-kicking a potential game winning field goal. Ask any 49er fan these days and they would admit to getting the break. At most I would say that the Giants were really fortunate that a botched snap could even turn into a semi successful hail mary......but that's neither here nor there.

They live under a cursed cloud, I get it. Super Bowl 40 apparently was a worse officiated game than SB 47 by 10 degrees of magnitude according to them, and they're apparently "owed" by the NFL for however many more years they feel is just. I watched 40 rather casually and rooting for the Seahawks (yeah, imagine that)....but don't remember thinking it was a terribly officiated game.

I'm sure canfan, eviltwin66 are decent Hawk fans compared to the standard 12, but this insistence on this one play is grating and not helpful in making us sympathize with the Steve Largent era boys. For the record, this is something bothering a lot of NFL fans not just Niner fans.

Kinda like how Niner coaches and fans were the only ones in 2012 complaining about the way Hawk DBs covered our receivers, and then when they played the Giants in 2013, there was a nice article in Wall Street Journal or whatever covering their tactics. Then Peyton gets humiliated in the Super Bowl and the rules get changed.

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/topic/4046143-see-what-caused-richard-sherman-to-explode-against-the-falcons/?page=1

"One thing I really can't stand about Sherman is he never blames himself, ever. A great leader would have owned that and protected his backup safety who made the real mistake. Instead, Sherman blames him to make himself look better. That's being a bad teammate IMO"

Truth. Terrible personality flaw.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
I will remind others of a post I made a few pages back:
Seahawk fans NEVER EVER can fully admit to luck, bad call, benefit of the doubt, etc.

I remember the 49ers/Giants 2002 wildcard game where the Niners got a beneficial break at the end of the game that cost the Giants a shot at re-kicking a potential game winning field goal. Ask any 49er fan these days and they would admit to getting the break. At most I would say that the Giants were really fortunate that a botched snap could even turn into a semi successful hail mary......but that's neither here nor there.

They live under a cursed cloud, I get it. Super Bowl 40 apparently was a worse officiated game than SB 47 by 10 degrees of magnitude according to them, and they're apparently "owed" by the NFL for however many more years they feel is just. I watched 40 rather casually and rooting for the Seahawks (yeah, imagine that)....but don't remember thinking it was a terribly officiated game.

I'm sure canfan, eviltwin66 are decent Hawk fans compared to the standard 12, but this insistence on this one play is grating and not helpful in making us sympathize with the Steve Largent era boys. For the record, this is something bothering a lot of NFL fans not just Niner fans.

Kinda like how Niner coaches and fans were the only ones in 2012 complaining about the way Hawk DBs covered our receivers, and then when they played the Giants in 2013, there was a nice article in Wall Street Journal or whatever covering their tactics. Then Peyton gets humiliated in the Super Bowl and the rules get changed.

Great post, I have no problem with anything on here really. To the play being discussed, i'll be the first to admit Sherman got away with one, and Earl I suppose, but IMO his was nowhere near as obvious as Sherman's in "real speed". I was simply saying that there was more than one or two fouls on that play that wasn't called, in efforts to make a point.

You'll see the same thing in every game, every week. The NFL is geared to the offense, more points means better ratings, just like more Home runs equal better ratings. A true baseball fan will love a pitchers duel and great defense, the average fan will lose interest, same can be said for football. A true fan loves to see good defense, as well as offense and defensive strategies and in game adjustments, but it's not sexy and the league knows this. That's why you'll see the majorithy of contact fouls go against the defense unless it's absolutely blatant, and even then they'll get away with it at times. Which is why the penalty on Jones rarely get's called, especially in that situation. But for me, as an old timer football fan, I loved the fact that the refs let them play and swallowed their whistles in that situation. Not a popular opinion obviously,.

Bottom line is, did Sherman get away with one, absolutely, but so did Jones.

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:

Originally posted by Canfan:

Originally posted by Eviltwin66:
Copy that "still over"

Is that what you guys call us, the 1-2's, just out of curiosity what does that mean, haven't been on these boards in a while, missed that conversation.

It's a reference to the Seahawks SB record with a derogatory spin on the "12's". Sort of clever actually, and it does not offend me at all. It is the team's SB record (I'm just glad the team has had 3 trips to the game), and I've never considered myself a "12". I'm just a fan of the NFL and the team.

Ah got it, yup pretty clever....

It's also the year 2012, when the bandwagon started.

I'm a loser I just say shehawks....

Originally posted by theduke85:

You're being obtuse on purpose. I get that. Fans don't go to their rival teams' boards to be objective and have civil discussion. 99% of the Seahawks fans visiting this site would stop coming to the Web Zone if the Seahawks were in the 49ers' position (non-contenders, etc), I guarantee that.

Officials obviously let players get away with more at the end of the game. They're less likely to call ticky-tacky calls (like Jones' Hands To the Face). Usually, the only time when they call a penalty is when it is egregious. Thomas (hitting Julio Jones in the hip with his shoulder before he even made contact with the ball) and Sherman (literally holding one of Jones' arms down so he had to attempt to catch a ball one-handed) both committed egregiously bad penalties, Jones didn't.

If we went back and looked at the game, you could probably find about 20 plays where either teams' cornerbacks committed illegal contact or a receiver pushed off but it went uncalled. You could find maybe 1-2 plays the entire game where a penalty as egregious as Sherman/Thomas PI but it went uncalled.

Stop being so ****ing obtuse. You are being utterly pedantic and it is annoying as hell. Yes, technically, both players committed penalties, and technically, in a vacuum, it would've been offsetting penalties and a replay of downs. But you and I both know full-well that the only time penalties are called at the end of games is when its egregious, and the only egregious offenders in this case were the Seahawks.

But, again, I know I'm wasting my breath. You didn't come here for an objective discussion. Sure, you'll pretend you're here with good intentions, but that's simply not the case.

Let's also not forget that the refs had just called a less egregious P.I. on Atlanta to set up the Hawks go-ahead TD. Soooo, call it both ways, eh?

The real issue Hawk fans are missing in here is that this happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR adding W's to their record and helping them advance to and through the playoffs (the grocery list is long; we all know this). The issue is that the rules do not apply to them but it DOES everyone else and these perpetual calls or non-calls magically, are all at the most critical junctures of the games (usually, the very end of the games). That removes "coincidence" from the equation for most fans.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
I will remind others of a post I made a few pages back:
Seahawk fans NEVER EVER can fully admit to luck, bad call, benefit of the doubt, etc.

I remember the 49ers/Giants 2002 wildcard game where the Niners got a beneficial break at the end of the game that cost the Giants a shot at re-kicking a potential game winning field goal. Ask any 49er fan these days and they would admit to getting the break. At most I would say that the Giants were really fortunate that a botched snap could even turn into a semi successful hail mary......but that's neither here nor there.

They live under a cursed cloud, I get it. Super Bowl 40 apparently was a worse officiated game than SB 47 by 10 degrees of magnitude according to them, and they're apparently "owed" by the NFL for however many more years they feel is just. I watched 40 rather casually and rooting for the Seahawks (yeah, imagine that)....but don't remember thinking it was a terribly officiated game.

I'm sure canfan, eviltwin66 are decent Hawk fans compared to the standard 12, but this insistence on this one play is grating and not helpful in making us sympathize with the Steve Largent era boys. For the record, this is something bothering a lot of NFL fans not just Niner fans.

Kinda like how Niner coaches and fans were the only ones in 2012 complaining about the way Hawk DBs covered our receivers, and then when they played the Giants in 2013, there was a nice article in Wall Street Journal or whatever covering their tactics. Then Peyton gets humiliated in the Super Bowl and the rules get changed.

You guys are illogical if think there's a conspiracy with the Hawks and that all of their fans feel every call that goes their way is justified.

At an East Coast sports bar and I hear, "Cheaters never prosper...except the Patriots and Seahawks."

LMAO.

What a crazy game.

Amazing that the Seahawks can even be in a game where they are outgained 2 to 1 in both ground and air....

But that RUSSELL WILSON though.....

Yes our team sucks ass for days on end but the finish of SNF was f**king funny as hell.

crazy game, indeed.
first tie in Seahawks franchise history.

Brian Nemhauser ‏@hawkblogger
The Seahawks held the Cardinals to 6 points despite 46+ mins of possession.
That set an NFL record. #HB7

Field Gulls ‏@FieldGulls
Cardinals have been involved in all three 6-6 ties since WWII

Dick Fain ‏@dickfain
Offense in OT- 127 yards in 17 plays for 7.5ypp
Offense in regulation- 130 yards in 40 plays for 3.25ypp

Brian Nemhauser ‏@hawkblogger
No team had ever lost or tied a game when they had a 150+ yardage margin, 0 turnovers, and gave up 0 TDs
before tonight. #HB7

Gregg Bell ‏@gbellseattle
#Seahawks locker room a chilling reminder of toll NFL games can take on bodies.
Richard Sherman could not talk. Needing help walking.

Can someone explain to me how the Cards only scored 3 points despite outgaining the Seahawks 2:1?

I missed the entire 4 quarters save for the last 3 minutes or so.

Some unbiased commentary:

"I think you meant Cardinals. Seahawks couldn't even drive past the 50 yard line until overtime, after the refs robbed that Cards kid RB of a TD, and the Cards coach forgot that centering the ball is more important than worrying about a botched snap. Seattle only got 3 points off a blocked punt that they drove 10 yards down for a FG in regulation. People worried about our OL should watch this game.

And the refs were awful. Seahawks were effing golden boys for some reason. The missed field goal was karmic, as Collinsworth said. They didn't even deserve a tie."

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Some unbiased commentary:

"I think you meant Cardinals. Seahawks couldn't even drive past the 50 yard line until overtime, after the refs robbed that Cards kid RB of a TD, and the Cards coach forgot that centering the ball is more important than worrying about a botched snap. Seattle only got 3 points off a blocked punt that they drove 10 yards down for a FG in regulation. People worried about our OL should watch this game.

And the refs were awful. Seahawks were effing golden boys for some reason. The missed field goal was karmic, as Collinsworth said. They didn't even deserve a tie."

How exactly were they golden boys?

Seahawks penalties - 10-90 (6 of those were holding)
Cards penalties - 6-45 (2 of those were holding)

Seahawks faced 1-20 6 times
Cards faced 1- 20- 2 times

And yes I agree, our OLine is atrocious, and just got much worse with Sowell going down with a knee sprain.