Jared Goff

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I'll bump this.

Why do I continue to call him a bust? Because the best he'll ever be is "a guy", not "the guy". Relative to his draft spot -- that nowhere near lives up to what is required of that slot. He's just a guy. Not a single team in the NFL cares that they're playing Jared Goff the next week. Not one. They care about playing Todd Gurley and Sean McVay.

Everything has to be right for him to make his high quality throws. He doesn't have the feet to dominate. Sean McVay has babysat him all year (he literally tells him what to do at the line until the headset is cut).

Again -- nobody cares about facing Jared Goff. He's just another QB. And for that reason he does not live up to his draft selection. He's a great 2nd round value. A poor #1 overall value.

Gonna come down to if they win any titles or not. A lot of what u posted could fit troy aikman like a glove. But nobody considers that former 1st pick a bust.

I don't agree. Aikman made other players better. Jared Goff needs lots of help to do well. Sure -- could he develop that ability? I guess. But you can say that about any young QB. Jared Goff isn't a difference maker at this point. Just another QB in the league.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I'll bump this.

Why do I continue to call him a bust? Because the best he'll ever be is "a guy", not "the guy". Relative to his draft spot -- that nowhere near lives up to what is required of that slot. He's just a guy. Not a single team in the NFL cares that they're playing Jared Goff the next week. Not one. They care about playing Todd Gurley and Sean McVay.

Everything has to be right for him to make his high quality throws. He doesn't have the feet to dominate. Sean McVay has babysat him all year (he literally tells him what to do at the line until the headset is cut).

Again -- nobody cares about facing Jared Goff. He's just another QB. And for that reason he does not live up to his draft selection. He's a great 2nd round value. A poor #1 overall value.

Gonna come down to if they win any titles or not. A lot of what u posted could fit troy aikman like a glove. But nobody considers that former 1st pick a bust.

I don't agree. Aikman made other players better. Jared Goff needs lots of help to do well. Sure -- could he develop that ability? I guess. But you can say that about any young QB. Jared Goff isn't a difference maker at this point. Just another QB in the league.

Aikman played with statistically the best rb of all time and one of the most dominant olines of all time. For u to completely ignore that and just say he made other players better is laughable. His career high in tds was 23. 165 tds and 141 picks with all that talent.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I'll bump this.

Why do I continue to call him a bust? Because the best he'll ever be is "a guy", not "the guy". Relative to his draft spot -- that nowhere near lives up to what is required of that slot. He's just a guy. Not a single team in the NFL cares that they're playing Jared Goff the next week. Not one. They care about playing Todd Gurley and Sean McVay.

Everything has to be right for him to make his high quality throws. He doesn't have the feet to dominate. Sean McVay has babysat him all year (he literally tells him what to do at the line until the headset is cut).

Again -- nobody cares about facing Jared Goff. He's just another QB. And for that reason he does not live up to his draft selection. He's a great 2nd round value. A poor #1 overall value.

Gonna come down to if they win any titles or not. A lot of what u posted could fit troy aikman like a glove. But nobody considers that former 1st pick a bust.

I don't agree. Aikman made other players better. Jared Goff needs lots of help to do well. Sure -- could he develop that ability? I guess. But you can say that about any young QB. Jared Goff isn't a difference maker at this point. Just another QB in the league.

Aikman played with statistically the best rb of all time and one of the most dominant olines of all time. For u to completely ignore that and just say he made other players better is laughable. His career high in tds was 23. 165 tds and 141 picks with all that talent.

What am I supposed to do? Write a novel? You don't need to defend Goff. Come back when he is more than a just okay NFL QB. So far he has not lived up to his draft spot. How can anyone argue against that?

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I'll bump this.

Why do I continue to call him a bust? Because the best he'll ever be is "a guy", not "the guy". Relative to his draft spot -- that nowhere near lives up to what is required of that slot. He's just a guy. Not a single team in the NFL cares that they're playing Jared Goff the next week. Not one. They care about playing Todd Gurley and Sean McVay.

Everything has to be right for him to make his high quality throws. He doesn't have the feet to dominate. Sean McVay has babysat him all year (he literally tells him what to do at the line until the headset is cut).

Again -- nobody cares about facing Jared Goff. He's just another QB. And for that reason he does not live up to his draft selection. He's a great 2nd round value. A poor #1 overall value.

Gonna come down to if they win any titles or not. A lot of what u posted could fit troy aikman like a glove. But nobody considers that former 1st pick a bust.

I don't agree. Aikman made other players better. Jared Goff needs lots of help to do well. Sure -- could he develop that ability? I guess. But you can say that about any young QB. Jared Goff isn't a difference maker at this point. Just another QB in the league.

Aikman played with statistically the best rb of all time and one of the most dominant olines of all time. For u to completely ignore that and just say he made other players better is laughable. His career high in tds was 23. 165 tds and 141 picks with all that talent.

What am I supposed to do? Write a novel? You don't need to defend Goff. Come back when he is more than a just okay NFL QB. So far he has not lived up to his draft spot. How can anyone argue against that?

He just went for 28tds and 7ints in his 2nd season and u in here calling him a bust come back when your "hes a bust" narrative is a little more appropriate. Whats ur bias anyways? That hes a div rival qb? U dont root for cal? Self proclaimed draft junky who has to stick to ur pre draft evaluation? Its gotta be something cus the guy had a good year, much better than anyone expected off of his rookie year. Just tip your cap to him, move on and maybe resurface with the bust talk if and when it actually fits.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

and this is why most other fans laugh at the 49er fan base.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Why don't the mods edit the title.

Because it's still arguable. I don't think he's a BUST at all, but it still can be argued.....I guess.

just like you can argue that the earth is flat. makes sense i guess.

I guess crazy assessments aren't limited to 49ers players.

It's a message board, we can't just edit threads cause posters disagree with it. We really don't need titles to find out the conclusion to the argument do we?

Title was edited....moving on.

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
and this is why most other fans laugh at the 49er fan base.

Pretty much

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

and this is why most other fans laugh at the 49er fan base.

Pretty much

This is why i switched teams.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Why don't the mods edit the title.

Because it's still arguable. I don't think he's a BUST at all, but it still can be argued.....I guess.

just like you can argue that the earth is flat. makes sense i guess.

I guess crazy assessments aren't limited to 49ers players.

It's a message board, we can't just edit threads cause posters disagree with it. We really don't need titles to find out the conclusion to the argument do we?

Title was edited....moving on.

It wasn't a shot at you or any other mod. Just that we jump to fast conclusions here no matter what team the player plays for.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Goff is an average QB

Dude's arm is not average at all.

and he's constantly improving. he'll be a top qb within a few years.