Jared Goff

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

There is no way of knowing that Marvin Lewis would have played Carson. It could have been his idea he was going to sit a full season before playing him. You have no idea. lol

Kitna was never a "very good" QB. lol

Hmmm...Passed for over 3500 yds 26 TD the year Palmer sat behind him. I'd say that is a very good QB.

Oh you're a stats guy eh. lol Lets take a look behind the numbers.

Kitna never touched a 90 passer rating in his career or had a winning season while starting a full season which he only did 3 times, 8-8, 3-13 and 7-9. He also passed for over 4,000 yards both his years as a Lion but threw more INT than TDs.

"Very good" QBs are top 5 guys in the league that are 95+ passer ratings and are 8/9 yards per pass attempt.

Kitna's best year as a starter was 87.4 and a 7.3 avg
He's a career 77.4 rat and 6.7 avg

Kitna was a career backup who got to start a few season and was very avg at best.

Also I was in the stands for this play which was epic so he's got that going for him.

LMAO...so your a google cut and paste guy. I pulled that of a recollection and may not be fully accurate. Bro didn't have to google and cut and paste. Lol everyone knows Kitna was a Nomad QB and was always used to patch a team.

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SoCold:
There is no way of knowing that Marvin Lewis would have played Carson. It could have been his idea he was going to sit a full season before playing him. You have no idea. lol

Kitna was never a "very good" QB. lol

Hmmm...Passed for over 3500 yds 26 TD the year Palmer sat behind him. I'd say that is a very good QB.

Oh you're a stats guy eh. lol Lets take a look behind the numbers.

Kitna never touched a 90 passer rating in his career or had a winning season while starting a full season which he only did 3 times, 8-8, 3-13 and 7-9. He also passed for over 4,000 yards both his years as a Lion but threw more INT than TDs.

"Very good" QBs are top 5 guys in the league that are 95+ passer ratings and are 8/9 yards per pass attempt.

Kitna's best year as a starter was 87.4 and a 7.3 avg
He's a career 77.4 rat and 6.7 avg

Kitna was a career backup who got to start a few season and was very avg at best.

Also I was in the stands for this play which was epic so he's got that going for him.

LMAO...so your a google cut and paste guy. I pulled that of a recollection and may not be fully accurate. Bro didn't have to google and cut and paste. Lol everyone knows Kitna was a Nomad QB and was always used to patch a team.

I watched that clown for 2 years as a Lion and seen him live a few times. Very meh at best. Yes I pulled his career stat page to prove just how very avg he was. Never a very good QB. Don't need google to remember that. lol

Originally posted by SoCold:

I watched that clown for 2 years as a Lion and seen him live a few times. Very meh at best. Yes I pulled his career stat page to prove just how very avg he was. Never a very good QB. Don't need google to remember that. lol

You said it yourself stuck with the Lions and the worse NFL team in the league Bengals and was a stop gap until Carson was ready.

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SoCold:
I watched that clown for 2 years as a Lion and seen him live a few times. Very meh at best. Yes I pulled his career stat page to prove just how very avg he was. Never a very good QB. Don't need google to remember that. lol

You said it yourself stuck with the Lions and the worse NFL team in the league Bengals and was a stop gap until Carson was ready.

It still doesn't change the fact he was never very good. Or that you have no idea what Marvin Lewis thought about starting Palmer in 2003. Or the fact that you just magically remembered Ktina throwing 26 TDs in 2003. Who would know that? Are you a Bengals fan?

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

I watched that clown for 2 years as a Lion and seen him live a few times. Very meh at best. Yes I pulled his career stat page to prove just how very avg he was. Never a very good QB. Don't need google to remember that. lol

You said it yourself stuck with the Lions and the worse NFL team in the league Bengals and was a stop gap until Carson was ready.

It still doesn't change the fact he was never very good. Or that you have no idea what Marvin Lewis thought about starting Palmer in 2003. Or the fact that you just magically remembered Ktina throwing 26 TDs in 2003. Who would know that? Are you a Bengals fan?

There were seasons he proved to be a very good QB. Being on a crap team doesn't make him a bad QB you are making him out to be. Stats would've been better and more consistent if he was with a decent franchise that had his back. I never claimed I knew what Marvin Lewis was thinking I'm telling you if Palmer was lighting it up like it was USC he would've played over kitna

Kitna joined Seatlle in 96, didn't play till 97 = Bust !

An debate over Jon Kitna? This I gotta see.

Didn't he see God, when he was concussed in a game?

Originally posted by SolRebe1:

An debate over Jon Kitna? This I gotta see.

Didn't he see God, when he was concussed in a game?

Haha! IKR. Goff sitting cause he can't beat a scrub QB justification why he is the same as Carson Palmer,Tom Brady,and Aaron Rodgers. Lmao

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SolRebe1:
An debate over Jon Kitna? This I gotta see.

Didn't he see God, when he was concussed in a game?

Haha! IKR. Goff sitting cause he can't beat a scrub QB justification why he is the same as Carson Palmer,Tom Brady,and Aaron Rodgers. Lmao

No one said they are the same person. What was said was the same reasoning behind why you would sit a QB. If he's the #1 overall or taken in the 6th round. The QBs potential vs if he's ready to play or not. Be it physically or mentally. The reason is still the same.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SolRebe1:

An debate over Jon Kitna? This I gotta see.

Didn't he see God, when he was concussed in a game?

Haha! IKR. Goff sitting cause he can't beat a scrub QB justification why he is the same as Carson Palmer,Tom Brady,and Aaron Rodgers. Lmao

No one said they are the same person. What was said was the same reasoning behind why you would sit a QB. If he's the #1 overall or taken in the 6th round. The QBs potential vs if he's ready to play or not. Be it physically or mentally. The reason is still the same.

That's what they have been saying. He is physically and mentally can't get pass Keenum who has more INT than TD. People that like him can say all excuse for him but the Rams know they messed up. They are in the mix for playoff contention and youd settle for a player that is worse than Gabbert.

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by SolRebe1:
An debate over Jon Kitna? This I gotta see.

Didn't he see God, when he was concussed in a game?

Haha! IKR. Goff sitting cause he can't beat a scrub QB justification why he is the same as Carson Palmer,Tom Brady,and Aaron Rodgers. Lmao

No one said they are the same person. What was said was the same reasoning behind why you would sit a QB. If he's the #1 overall or taken in the 6th round. The QBs potential vs if he's ready to play or not. Be it physically or mentally. The reason is still the same.

That's what they have been saying. He is physically and mentally can't get pass Keenum who has more INT than TD. People that like him can say all excuse for him but the Rams know they messed up. They are in the mix for playoff contention and youd settle for a player that is worse than Gabbert.

The Rams only screwed up if he NEVER becomes good. The fact that NO ONE knows that right now makes this thread complete concept silly. It's fun to talk about if he will be good or not but to say he's a bust right now is crazy. Alex Smith was a bust for 6 years until Harbaugh showed up and got him to within one game of a SB. Maybe Goff will be a bust until Harbaugh shows up to coach the Rams in 2022?

Originally posted by SoCold:

The Rams only screwed up if he NEVER becomes good. The fact that NO ONE knows that right now makes this thread complete concept silly. It's fun to talk about if he will be good or not but to say he's a bust right now is crazy. Alex Smith was a bust for 6 years until Harbaugh showed up and got him to within one game of a SB. Maybe Goff will be a bust until Harbaugh shows up to coach the Rams in 2022?

Haha. I hope they think he is a BUST cause I don't. I really think he is a good QB and Chip can make it work here in SF if they ever want to part with him.

He has not caught up with the mental aspects of the position in the NFL. That's what they mean when the coaches say "he's not ready", just as it's what Harbaugh and Roman meant when they used that term for Kaepernick for a year and a half. Then, they never did say he was ready before Alex's injury forced the issue.

Here's the deal. Wentz was sharp enough to get it right out of the box. Goff was not, and if he's not showing enough improvement to get on the field by now as a number one overall, at the very least, his ceiling is limited. Kaepernick didn't get it, and still doesn't get it (complex pocket performance). You either have the aptitude to make those quick reads and properly process it, or you don't, and the Wentz/Goff thing just goes to show it's a crap shoot for very smart NFL evaluators. It's an aptitude that really can not be evaluated with any degree of certainty out of collegiate experience.

Drafting a quarterback very high is a Huge gamble, because it's always a trial and error situation, and people are just kidding themselves into believing otherwise. Walsh developed his from a third round pick and a previous bust at the NFL level. That's not a gamble. There are plenty of those guys to try and discard until you hit. Dallas hit in the fourth round with rookie Dak Prescott. Denver is doing fine with their second year zero experienced 7th rounder Trevor Siemian, drafted 250 out of 256 total picks, and playing ahead of their first round rookie Lynch. Siemian says "I know where my eyes need to go. I know what I'm doing". Goff can't say that, and neither can Kaepernick.

PS Walsh was not even targeting Montana in that third round. They were hoping for someone else, and said if he was taken ahead of them (he was), "that's ok, if that happens, we'll just draft Montana". He did Not know Montana was going to be Montana.

Well, goff has a bad body. But, brady had a bad body.
Mastering ram offense is a huge jump from mastering cal offense.
One thing goff has that is needed for success is accuracy.
He would do well to become a weight room regular and be a true body builder.
Dont follow scrawny sam bradfords example.

If all goes well, goff could become chad pennington.

Originally posted by xcfan:
Well, goff has a bad body. But, brady had a bad body.
Mastering ram offense is a huge jump from mastering cal offense.
One thing goff has that is needed for success is accuracy.
He would do well to become a weight room regular and be a true body builder.
Dont follow scrawny sam bradfords example.

If all goes well, goff could become chad pennington.

Nobody has delayed playing Bradford or any other quarterback because of lack of muscle development.