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Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
this wasnt cte

looks like he just hates his in-laws and went overboard

He was drunk. People are stupid when drunk. Not much more to it.

A sad story the other day...

A drunk US Army Ranger beat to death a female security guard after leaving a bar.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by theduke85:
I understand that, but what does any of this have to do with CTE?

There are millions - probably hundreds of millions - of people in the world that suffer from depression, aggression, and suicidal thoughts. The overwhelming majority of them are not in a position to suffer from CTE.

This is like the classic joke of a layperson in 2021 typing in "headache" in Google as a symptom to self-assess what illness they have and seeing "brain tumor" come up. Yes, some signs of CTE are aggression/depression/suicidal thoughts, but the point is that those are incredibly generic symptoms that could be explained by innumerable underlying causes. The fact that these armchair medical experts immediately jump to CTE is laughable.

For the record, I believe that CTE is an incredibly serious issue. Wouldn't surprise me at all if pro football isn't around anymore in 50 years because of it.

Lol arm chair medical experts completely dismiss it too.

I think it's extremely fair to question and wonder how much CTE played a factor considering we can all safely say that Sherman (and 99% of NFL players) have CTE. That doesn't guarantee this was the sole reason, but it is ridiculous for arm chair medical experts online to dismiss it. We've seen similar patterns of behavior from NFL players who ended up killing themselves & ended up having CTE. Not sure why it's so outrageous to consider it as a very real possibility here

Do you have a link to some studies backing that up? I had no clue that the number of players tested after death came back with that high of a positivity rate for CTE
Originally posted by lamontb:
Do you have a link to some studies backing that up? I had no clue that the number of players tested after death came back with that high of a positivity rate for CTE

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html

110/111 brains tested had CTE. Unfortunately there isn't a current (safe) way to detect amongst the living but honestly I don't think it takes anything more than common sense to come to the conclusion that the vast majority of NFL players have some form of cte
[ Edited by frenchmov on Jul 26, 2021 at 4:41 PM ]
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Do you have a link to some studies backing that up? I had no clue that the number of players tested after death came back with that high of a positivity rate for CTE

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html

110/111 brains tested had CTE. Unfortunately there isn't a current (safe) way to detect amongst the living but honestly I don't think it takes anything more than common sense to come to the conclusion that the vast majority of NFL players have some form of cte

1+1 ='s 2.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Do you have a link to some studies backing that up? I had no clue that the number of players tested after death came back with that high of a positivity rate for CTE

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html

110/111 brains tested had CTE. Unfortunately there isn't a current (safe) way to detect amongst the living but honestly I don't think it takes anything more than common sense to come to the conclusion that the vast majority of NFL players have some form of cte

It's striking what percentage of studied NFL brains have those neurofibrillary tangles. It would be important to know, however, what % of the normal population has that finding (since this isn't something that is ever looked for in the normal population). I don't have access to NYT so I couldn't read the article but it would be nice to know how prevalent these proteins are in the non-football environment to put more context to the 110/111 number.

Still, it looks very damning for the NFL.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Do you have a link to some studies backing that up? I had no clue that the number of players tested after death came back with that high of a positivity rate for CTE

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html

110/111 brains tested had CTE. Unfortunately there isn't a current (safe) way to detect amongst the living but honestly I don't think it takes anything more than common sense to come to the conclusion that the vast majority of NFL players have some form of cte

It's striking what percentage of studied NFL brains have those neurofibrillary tangles. It would be important to know, however, what % of the normal population has that finding (since this isn't something that is ever looked for in the normal population). I don't have access to NYT so I couldn't read the article but it would be nice to know how prevalent these proteins are in the non-football environment to put more context to the 110/111 number.

Still, it looks very damning for the NFL.

Dam those numbers are bad. I had no clue it was so severe
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Do you have a link to some studies backing that up? I had no clue that the number of players tested after death came back with that high of a positivity rate for CTE

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html

110/111 brains tested had CTE. Unfortunately there isn't a current (safe) way to detect amongst the living but honestly I don't think it takes anything more than common sense to come to the conclusion that the vast majority of NFL players have some form of cte

It's striking what percentage of studied NFL brains have those neurofibrillary tangles. It would be important to know, however, what % of the normal population has that finding (since this isn't something that is ever looked for in the normal population). I don't have access to NYT so I couldn't read the article but it would be nice to know how prevalent these proteins are in the non-football environment to put more context to the 110/111 number.

Still, it looks very damning for the NFL.

Dam those numbers are bad. I had no clue it was so severe

Anyone know the number of former NFL players who do not have CTE or the number of non football players with CTE? Or how many of the ones with CTE used recreational or performance enhancing drugs?

I wonder if there are other factors rather than football that contribute to CTE?
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Anyone know the number of former NFL players who do not have CTE or the number of non football players with CTE? Or how many of the ones with CTE used recreational or performance enhancing drugs?

I wonder if there are other factors rather than football that contribute to CTE?

It's still being studied of course but the leading cause (leading, perhaps not only?) is repetitive strikes/trauma to the brain. It is obviously seen at a high degree in football and fighting sports, but even soccer (headers) has shown some concerning statistics.

Scientific tests/correlation can be a slow moving boat but IF that is accurate (repeated blows to the head causing CTE) then the only conclusion you could reach for football players of all levels is that it causes CTE.

There is literally no helmet or any other piece of technology that anyone has come up with (nor that I can imagine becoming a reality give how your brain moves within your skull) that would be able to prevent that types of impacts to the brain that football seems to yield.

If you think about it, many players must suffer varying degrees of concussions multiple times a game in every game. That's very concerning if you are a football player. I'm glad some are paid well for this seemingly life shortening game but it still sucks
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Anyone know the number of former NFL players who do not have CTE or the number of non football players with CTE? Or how many of the ones with CTE used recreational or performance enhancing drugs?

I wonder if there are other factors rather than football that contribute to CTE?

It's still being studied of course but the leading cause (leading, perhaps not only?) is repetitive strikes/trauma to the brain. It is obviously seen at a high degree in football and fighting sports, but even soccer (headers) has shown some concerning statistics.

Scientific tests/correlation can be a slow moving boat but IF that is accurate (repeated blows to the head causing CTE) then the only conclusion you could reach for football players of all levels is that it causes CTE.

There is literally no helmet or any other piece of technology that anyone has come up with (nor that I can imagine becoming a reality give how your brain moves within your skull) that would be able to prevent that types of impacts to the brain that football seems to yield.

If you think about it, many players must suffer varying degrees of concussions multiple times a game in every game. That's very concerning if you are a football player. I'm glad some are paid well for this seemingly life shortening game but it still sucks

If true, why aren't all boxers and MMA players showing up with the same symptoms? I mean those sports are designed to have athletes knocked unconscious.

Also, how is it that most football players do not have CTE (No science to back up that question, just a question based on the numbers provided in the study)? How can a guy like Roger Craig not have CTE or Terry Bradshaw not have CTE?

I know these questions are easy to ask and hard to answer, I just don't like how the NFL lied causing everything to swing to football automatically = CTE.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Anyone know the number of former NFL players who do not have CTE or the number of non football players with CTE? Or how many of the ones with CTE used recreational or performance enhancing drugs?

I wonder if there are other factors rather than football that contribute to CTE?

It's still being studied of course but the leading cause (leading, perhaps not only?) is repetitive strikes/trauma to the brain. It is obviously seen at a high degree in football and fighting sports, but even soccer (headers) has shown some concerning statistics.

Scientific tests/correlation can be a slow moving boat but IF that is accurate (repeated blows to the head causing CTE) then the only conclusion you could reach for football players of all levels is that it causes CTE.

There is literally no helmet or any other piece of technology that anyone has come up with (nor that I can imagine becoming a reality give how your brain moves within your skull) that would be able to prevent that types of impacts to the brain that football seems to yield.

If you think about it, many players must suffer varying degrees of concussions multiple times a game in every game. That's very concerning if you are a football player. I'm glad some are paid well for this seemingly life shortening game but it still sucks

If true, why aren't all boxers and MMA players showing up with the same symptoms? I mean those sports are designed to have athletes knocked unconscious.

Also, how is it that most football players do not have CTE (No science to back up that question, just a question based on the numbers provided in the study)? How can a guy like Roger Craig not have CTE or Terry Bradshaw not have CTE?

I know these questions are easy to ask and hard to answer, I just don't like how the NFL lied causing everything to swing to football automatically = CTE.

Because you cant test for CTE until that person is dead. So unless you want to kill Bradshaw right now, you don't know if he has CTE. There are different levels of it as well Also, no every single player gets it, though it's not uncommon.
I'd bet they have it. But having it doesn't equate necessarily to totally losing it in public ala Sherm.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by theduke85:
I understand that, but what does any of this have to do with CTE?

There are millions - probably hundreds of millions - of people in the world that suffer from depression, aggression, and suicidal thoughts. The overwhelming majority of them are not in a position to suffer from CTE.

This is like the classic joke of a layperson in 2021 typing in "headache" in Google as a symptom to self-assess what illness they have and seeing "brain tumor" come up. Yes, some signs of CTE are aggression/depression/suicidal thoughts, but the point is that those are incredibly generic symptoms that could be explained by innumerable underlying causes. The fact that these armchair medical experts immediately jump to CTE is laughable.

For the record, I believe that CTE is an incredibly serious issue. Wouldn't surprise me at all if pro football isn't around anymore in 50 years because of it.

Lol arm chair medical experts completely dismiss it too.

I think it's extremely fair to question and wonder how much CTE played a factor considering we can all safely say that Sherman (and 99% of NFL players) have CTE. That doesn't guarantee this was the sole reason, but it is ridiculous for arm chair medical experts online to dismiss it. We've seen similar patterns of behavior from NFL players who ended up killing themselves & ended up having CTE. Not sure why it's so outrageous to consider it as a very real possibility here

You can't safety say 99% of NFL players have it. Nobody but you are claiming 99% of players have it. Kickers and punters make up more than 1% of the league, and none have been diagnosed with it. The brains they studied were based mostly on players that exhibited problems in life, and families wanted to have the brains examined based on the problems. A lot of dead former players didn't have their brains examined. You sound like an armchair medical expert.
Originally posted by pdfortune:
You can't safety say 99% of NFL players have it. Nobody but you are claiming 99% of players have it. Kickers and punters make up more than 1% of the league, and none have been diagnosed with it. The brains they studied were based mostly on players that exhibited problems in life, and families wanted to have the brains examined based on the problems. A lot of dead former players didn't have their brains examined. You sound like an armchair medical expert.

No need to be angry,...it's just a discussion and science in general has alot of gray areas.

There's a study that says reasonable estimates of current players are up to as much as 50%.

Originally posted by pdfortune:
You can't safety say 99% of NFL players have it. Nobody but you are claiming 99% of players have it. Kickers and punters make up more than 1% of the league, and none have been diagnosed with it. The brains they studied were based mostly on players that exhibited problems in life, and families wanted to have the brains examined based on the problems. A lot of dead former players didn't have their brains examined. You sound like an armchair medical expert.

Never say never but if you use common sense you can come to a reasonable conclusion. Based on current studies, CTE is caused by repetitive striking of the head/concussions. Football players violently strike their heads multiple times per game in every game. IF the cause of CTE is accurate, then the only conclusion you'd be able to reach is that this afflicts the vast majority of football players. IF CTE is not caused by repeated blows to the head then obviously it's back to the drawing board.

The NFL has attempted to settle the CTE suit for billions of dollars so there is obviously merit to playing football = developing CTE.

Now as to why some players with CTE go off the deep end and others can manage, I'm sure there are many different factors that play into it. I don't think every person who has CTE turns into a suicidal maniac but I think (and studies seem to support) that CTE can have an extremely detrimental effect on people
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by pdfortune:
You can't safety say 99% of NFL players have it. Nobody but you are claiming 99% of players have it. Kickers and punters make up more than 1% of the league, and none have been diagnosed with it. The brains they studied were based mostly on players that exhibited problems in life, and families wanted to have the brains examined based on the problems. A lot of dead former players didn't have their brains examined. You sound like an armchair medical expert.

Never say never but if you use common sense you can come to a reasonable conclusion. Based on current studies, CTE is caused by repetitive striking of the head/concussions. Football players violently strike their heads multiple times per game in every game. IF the cause of CTE is accurate, then the only conclusion you'd be able to reach is that this afflicts the vast majority of football players. IF CTE is not caused by repeated blows to the head then obviously it's back to the drawing board.

The NFL has attempted to settle the CTE suit for billions of dollars so there is obviously merit to playing football = developing CTE.

Now as to why some players with CTE go off the deep end and others can manage, I'm sure there are many different factors that play into it. I don't think every person who has CTE turns into a suicidal maniac but I think (and studies seem to support) that CTE can have an extremely detrimental effect on people

I think the point he is making is that while it may be necessary to have repetitive blows to the head to cause CTE, it does not definitively mean that repetitive blows to the head will lead to CTE in the majority of cases as you suggest. If you only study brains of patients who exhibited behavioral/mental health problems you are biasing your sample.

There's no question that repetitive blows to the head create neurofibrillary tangles that lead to an increased chance of developing CTE. I think the important questions are:

1. How frequently are these tangled proteins found in NFL players who DO NOT exhibit symptoms of CTE but did have repetitive blows to the head?
2. How frequently are these tangled proteins found in the general population (ie not subject to repetitive blows to the head)?
3. How frequently are these tangled proteins found in people who exhibit behavioral/mental health issues similar to CTE but do not have a history of repetitive blows to the head?

Once these and other important questions are answered, which will take many years, we will have a better understanding of the disease.

Regardless, I think it's safe to say there is obviously a connection between NFL/boxing/etc and CTE and the NFL has been trying to downplay and hide this for years.
[ Edited by Leathaface on Aug 1, 2021 at 2:58 PM ]
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