Former NY Jets HC Robert Saleh

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5timechamps:
With the 2nd pick the 49ers select Jonathan Allen, DT..

Nope

With the 2nd pick of the 2nd round, the 49ers select Chad Kelly.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

It's disheartening that we have to copy Seattle for anything

Well, seeing as how much of Seattle's defense is rooted in the concepts of our defenses in the 90's, I wouldn't say we're copying them, but rather, coming back full circle.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Switching schemes isn't a smart move...largely because I don't believe Saleh will be the DC for long. Once Fangio's free of his Bears contract, Shanahan will want him to take over his defense. It makes no sense to switch defenses for 2017 if Fangio's the DC beyond that. All this talk about AA being traded is pure nonsense. He's a keeper, make no mistake about that. In him and Buckner, the Niners have two young studs who'll only get better, especially with a stud NT in the middle. BL is I think staying in a base 3-4 using the hybrid appropriately is the way to go 'til Shanahan hires the guy who'll be the permanent DC. I don't see Saleh as that guy.

why would Kyle want that? just curious...Does he have ties with Fangio?

I agree about AA

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How 49ers' personnel fits a Seattle-style defense

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article132650344.html

Bingo.

Defensive front

"Leo" defensive end. This is the marquee position along the defensive front. The position essentially is the same as the "elephant" defensive end the 49ers employed in their heyday -- Charles Haley, Chris Doleman, etc. (It's no coincidence that Carroll was San Francisco's defensive coordinator in 1995-96). The Leo is the team's best pass rusher and most athletic edge rusher. He plays on the weak side (non-tight end side) of the defense and usually goes against the opponent's left tackle. Chris Clemons and Cliff Avril have played this role for the Seahawks in the past. For the 49ers? Ahmad Brooks or Aaron Lynch probably fit best. A high-round rookie draft pick, say Texas A&M's Myles Garrett or Alabama's Tim Williams, would be far more ideal.

Defensive tackle/nose tackle. Even though the Seahawks use a base 4-3, they still have a role for someone who lines up over the opposition's center. This typically has been a shorter, stubbier player in Seattle's system (think: Brandon Mebane). The best recent 49er for this position is Ian Williams, but he was released in October and his NFL future is very much up in the area due to recent injuries. The team's top nose tackle from last year, Glenn Dorsey, is a pending free agent. Quinton Dial is an option, but at 6-5, he's not a prototypical nose tackle, especially in this particular scheme.

Defensive tackle. This position should be the team's top pass-rushing interior lineman. The 49ers will want to have Arik Armstead and DeForest Buckner on the field, and they must figure out which is best for this spot vs. left defensive end. The guess here is that Buckner would play this position with Armstead at defensive end.

Left defensive end. This player lines up opposite the "Leo" and typically has been a bigger player who can stop the run. Arik Armstead

Linebackers

Strong-side linebacker. In Seattle, the so-called SAM linebacker has been a de facto fifth defensive lineman who lines up over the tight end. The player must be strong enough to hold the edge on running plays but swift enough to cover tight ends at times in the passing game. Ahmad Brooks fits this role the best among the 49ers, but he would have to do more in coverage than he's ever been required to do with the 49ers.

Middle linebacker. This has been Bobby Wagner's role in Seattle. The position requires a smart, fast linebacker who calls the plays and ends up making a lot of tackles. The obvious fit in San Francisco is NaVorro Bowman, assuming he makes a full recovery from his Achilles injury.

Weak-side linebacker. This player doesn't have to take on as many blocks as the other two linebackers but has to be good in coverage, especially on plays over the short middle. The 49ers signed Ray-Ray Armstrong to a two-year contract extension in December and he is currently the best candidate on the roster for this role.

Defensive backs

Free safety. The Seahawks defense has been marked by an excellent free safety, Earl Thomas, who is fast, physical and instinctive enough to allow the other safety, Kam Chancellor, to play close to the line of scrimmage. This is a position Bradley had trouble reproducing in Jacksonville but one in which the 49ers seemingly have a good match in Jimmie Ward. The 49ers were adamant last season that Ward was best as a cornerback, and he played well in his 10 starts at the position. They also plan to retain last year's defensive backs coach, Jeff Hafley. But if the incoming staff truly is looking for a Seattle-like defense, Ward is by far their best option at this spot.

Strong safety. Chancellor has devastated the 49ers' tight ends with huge, intimidating hits the last few years, and San Francisco would love someone similar to terrorize pass catchers and running backs. Smart, reliable Eric Reid played a lot more closer to the line of scrimmage this past season and would be safe choice. But Jaquiski Tartt is faster, more dynamic and would be the bolder option.

Cornerbacks. Seattle's cornerbacks have been big, long-armed players who are good at press coverage and who are assigned to take away the opponent's wide receivers from the hashmarks outward. Rashard Robinson, who had a strong rookie season in 2016, fits this mold perfectly. The 49ers have several other players -- Tramaine Brock, Dontae Johnson, Marcus Cromartie -- who could fit at the other spot as well. They also should have third-round draft pick Will Redmond, a potential starter on the outside or at nickel cornerback, healthy this offseason.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article132650344.html#storylink=cpy

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How 49ers' personnel fits a Seattle-style defense

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article132650344.html

Good stuff

Clear needs (shocker, they're all along the front seven):

1. More speed and youth across every LB position
2. Lane-clogging, run stuffing DT in the middle
3. More speed on the edges at DE
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I really like this...Yes, pretty obvious that speed and strength are needed along the front 7

I have concerns that Brooks can cover as a 4- 3 linebacker...Bethea is pure garbage, can't cover and is not a run stuffer...Reid doesn't make enough plays and often hurt.

I'd say release or trade Brooks, Bethea, and Reid with the money saved go out and get a couple of high motor, speed, tough guys.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wasn't ray ray in a 4-3 before coming here and didn't he fail miserably? Would like Ingram

I think he's a different player now. Yeah if we can land Ingram that could make a huge difference in making this defense work and be successful.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

I really like this...Yes, pretty obvious that speed and strength are needed along the front 7

I have concerns that Brooks can cover as a 4- 3 linebacker...Bethea is pure garbage, can't cover and is not a run stuffer...Reid doesn't make enough plays and often hurt.

I'd say release or trade Brooks, Bethea, and Reid with the money saved go out and get a couple of high motor, speed, tough guys.

Brooks might fit better as the elephant. Harold might have the athleticism for SAM - not sure about his coverage ability. Maybe they look to FA for that.

Maybe Tank will fare better as the elephant.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How 49ers' personnel fits a Seattle-style defense

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article132650344.html

It's disheartening that we have to copy Seattle for anything. All the hype and only one trophy, with some regression to the mean.

I know just like all those teams that copied us with the WCO.... lol stop with that nonsense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How 49ers' personnel fits a Seattle-style defense

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article132650344.html

It's disheartening that we have to copy Seattle for anything. All the hype and only one trophy, with some regression to the mean.

I know just like all those teams that copied us with the WCO.... lol stop with that nonsense.

Carroll copied Seifert, so it's only right to bring it back.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5timechamps:
With the 2nd pick the 49ers select Jonathan Allen, DT..

Nope

With the 2nd pick of the 2nd round, the 49ers select Chad Kelly.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How 49ers' personnel fits a Seattle-style defense

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article132650344.html

It's disheartening that we have to copy Seattle for anything. All the hype and only one trophy, with some regression to the mean.

I know just like all those teams that copied us with the WCO.... lol stop with that nonsense.

Carroll copied Seifert, so it's only right to bring it back.

I'm always a little suspicious when somebody on an internet forum proclaims to have all this knowledge about what type of defensive system a team should run. What I will say is that something has to change in a big way because last years defense was (arguably) the worse ever. It can't be all on the scheme and having Bowman back isn't suddenly going to catapult the defense to middle of the pack either.

Draft:

• Myles Garrett
• ILB (?)

Free Agency:

• CB A.J. Bouye or Logan Ryan
• NT Brandon Williams or Dontari Poe

With Mayhew now on board and the Dline coach both from the Giants csn we say hi to JPP!