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Feb 15, 2017 at 1:08 PM
Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Armstead just ins't a 4-3 DE. He's way too slow to play that position.


If Red Bryant can play DE in that scheme then so can Armstead!!!
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:13 PM
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
With Blair's versatility we might see him be our main rotational guy.

I agree. He might not be a starter, but definitely a rotational player. He can play base end or inside at 3 tech at times.
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:14 PM
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This defense could be fixed rather quickly with a few more moves in FA and the Draft (and personnel changes)

Defensive 4-3 plan:

Arik Armstead --- DeForest Buckner --- Quinton Dial --- Aaron Lynch / Ronald Blair

Gerald Hodges --- NaVorro Bowman --- Ray-Ray Armstrong

Dontae Johnson ------- Will Redmond ------------------------------------------------- Rashard Robinson

Jimmie Ward (Single High) --------------------------- Jaquiski Tartt (Box) / Eric Reid

Top Draft Targets:
  • Myles Garrett
  • Jonathan Allen
  • Marshon Lattimore
  • Jamal Adams
  • Malik Hooker
  • Solomon Thomas
  • Reuben Foster

Free Agency Targets: Some are far more realistic than others (several will be off the board soon)
  • CB's: A.J. Bouye, Logan Ryan, Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Stephon Gilmore & Prince Amukamara (ages 25-27)
  • NT's: Brandon Williams, Dontari Poe, Alan Branch & Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey/Chris Jones
  • DE's: Jabaal Sheard, Jason Pierre-Paul, Calais Campbell & Melvin Ingram
  • ILB's: Dont'a Hightower, Malcolm Smith, Sean Spence, Manti Te'o, Gerald Hodges & Mychal Kendricks
  • S's: Eric Berry (Colin Jones & Michael Thomas for ST)

Good post!

+1

Nice post, NC. I'm sure they will continue to tinker with the lineup as we add more players and find out everyone's ideal fit. This is a good start.
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 PM
Im wondering how many more years were gonna be seeing more threads in the board titled: New HC/DC/OC insert name here.

its like one after the other
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:20 PM
I know Saleh likes the 4-3 but I think its a stupid idea to switch. We just don't have the players for that type of defense. With Harbs we had a 3-4 and made NFC championship 3 years in a row cause our defense

Lynch ...Armstead ...NT ...Buckner ...OLB
...............Bowman ...........Armstrong
[ Edited by badguy_1 on Feb 15, 2017 at 1:21 PM ]
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:26 PM
Originally posted by badguy_1:
I know Saleh likes the 4-3 but I think its a stupid idea to switch. We just don't have the players for that type of defense. With Harbs we had a 3-4 and made NFC championship 3 years in a row cause our defense

Lynch ...Armstead ...NT ...Buckner ...OLB
...............Bowman ...........Armstrong

Its been touched on a little bit in this thread. This defense is more of a hybrid 4-3/3-4. Pete Carroll himself describes it as a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. There's a lot of crossover between the two in this defense, so I don't think we have to worry about scheme fit all that much. We really just need to add more talent and hope Saleh knows how to call a good game.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Feb 15, 2017 at 1:26 PM ]
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
With Blair's versatility we might see him be our main rotational guy.

I agree. He might not be a starter, but definitely a rotational player. He can play base end or inside at 3 tech at times.

Yeah, how many players from our front 7 do we have who have played in a 4-3 (college and/or pros)? I honestly don't know...

...anyone know for sure?

DL: DeForest Bucker, Quinton Dial, Chris Jones & Arik Armstead = No
DL: Glenn Dorsey, Mike Purcell, Ian Williams, Ronald Blair, Eli Harold, Tank Carradine, Zach Moore & Tony Jerod Eddie = Yes
LB: Navarro Bowman, Gerald Hodges, Ray-Ray Armstrong, Ahmad Brooks, Michael Wilhoite, Carl Bradford, Wynton McManis, Shayne Skov & Nick Bellore = Yes
LB: Aaron Lynch = No

???
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 15, 2017 at 1:41 PM ]
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:29 PM
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This defense could be fixed rather quickly with a few more moves in FA and the Draft (and personnel changes)

Defensive 4-3 plan:

Arik Armstead --- DeForest Buckner --- Quinton Dial --- Aaron Lynch / Ronald Blair

Gerald Hodges --- NaVorro Bowman --- Ray-Ray Armstrong

Dontae Johnson ------- Will Redmond ------------------------------------------------- Rashard Robinson

Jimmie Ward (Single High) --------------------------- Jaquiski Tartt (Box) / Eric Reid

Top Draft Targets:
  • Myles Garrett
  • Jonathan Allen
  • Marshon Lattimore
  • Jamal Adams
  • Malik Hooker
  • Solomon Thomas
  • Reuben Foster

Free Agency Targets: Some are far more realistic than others (several will be off the board soon)
  • CB's: A.J. Bouye, Logan Ryan, Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Stephon Gilmore & Prince Amukamara (ages 25-27)
  • NT's: Brandon Williams, Dontari Poe, Alan Branch & Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey/Chris Jones
  • DE's: Jabaal Sheard, Jason Pierre-Paul, Calais Campbell & Melvin Ingram
  • ILB's: Dont'a Hightower, Malcolm Smith, Sean Spence, Manti Te'o, Gerald Hodges & Mychal Kendricks
  • S's: Eric Berry (Colin Jones & Michael Thomas for ST)

thank you NC for yet another logical post!

I especially like how you have AA in there. I seriously cannot understand the logic and thinking from fellow posters who think AA is done if we move to a 4-3. Apparently they did not watch him in college or even watch a lot of niner games. lol yes we may have been a 3-4 team but we had a lot of sets where we had 4 lineman in there too.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
+1

Nice post, NC. I'm sure they will continue to tinker with the lineup as we add more players and find out everyone's ideal fit. This is a good start.

Yabethca!
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:32 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, how many players from our front 7 do we have who have played in a 4-3 (college and/or pros)? I honestly don't know...

...anyone know for sure?

DL: DeForest Bucker, Quinton Dial, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Jones & Arik Armstead = No
DL: Mike Purcell, Ian Williams, Ronald Blair, Eli Harold, Tank Carradine, Zach Moore & Tony Jerod Eddie = Yes
LB: Navarro Bowman, Gerald Hodges, Ray-Ray Armstrong, Michael Wilhoite, Carl Bradford, Wynton McManis, Shayne Skov & Nick Bellore = Yes
LB: Aaron Lynch &Ahmad Brooks = No

???
dorsey has... if Im right he came from a 4-3 before we got him
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:33 PM
Originally posted by miked1978:
If Red Bryant can play DE in that scheme then so can Armstead!!!

Red Bryant was immoveable and there was nowhere for Frank to run during our 2011-13 contending years. He struck me as one of the most important pieces of their defense.
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:35 PM
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, how many players from our front 7 do we have who have played in a 4-3 (college and/or pros)? I honestly don't know...

...anyone know for sure?

DL: DeForest Bucker, Quinton Dial, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Jones & Arik Armstead = No
DL: Mike Purcell, Ian Williams, Ronald Blair, Eli Harold, Tank Carradine, Zach Moore & Tony Jerod Eddie = Yes
LB: Navarro Bowman, Gerald Hodges, Ray-Ray Armstrong, Michael Wilhoite, Carl Bradford, Wynton McManis, Shayne Skov & Nick Bellore = Yes
LB: Aaron Lynch &Ahmad Brooks = No

???
dorsey has... if Im right he came from a 4-3 before we got him

You're right!
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, how many players from our front 7 do we have who have played in a 4-3 (college and/or pros)? I honestly don't know...

...anyone know for sure?

DL: DeForest Bucker, Quinton Dial, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Jones & Arik Armstead = No
DL: Mike Purcell, Ian Williams, Ronald Blair, Eli Harold, Tank Carradine, Zach Moore & Tony Jerod Eddie = Yes
LB: Navarro Bowman, Gerald Hodges, Ray-Ray Armstrong, Michael Wilhoite, Carl Bradford, Wynton McManis, Shayne Skov & Nick Bellore = Yes
LB: Aaron Lynch &Ahmad Brooks = No

???

I'm not sure about each and every player, but definitely the majority of them have been in a 3-4 most of their careers, college and pro. This looks mostly accurate. I know Brooks played MLB in a 4-3 for a year or two while in Cincy.

There will be some flexibility in this defense to let guys do what they do best. Along the d-line, you have guys who will one-gap and two-gap. You have a 1, 3, and 5, tech. The LEO seems like he'll be a 7 or maybe even in wide-9 alignment. There's a lot of versatility there.
[ Edited by SofaKing on Feb 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM ]
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This defense could be fixed rather quickly with a few more moves in FA and the Draft (and personnel changes)

Defensive 4-3 plan:

Arik Armstead --- DeForest Buckner --- Quinton Dial --- Aaron Lynch / Ronald Blair

Gerald Hodges --- NaVorro Bowman --- Ray-Ray Armstrong

Dontae Johnson ------- Will Redmond ------------------------------------------------- Rashard Robinson

Jimmie Ward (Single High) --------------------------- Jaquiski Tartt (Box) / Eric Reid

Top Draft Targets:
  • Myles Garrett
  • Jonathan Allen
  • Marshon Lattimore
  • Jamal Adams
  • Malik Hooker
  • Solomon Thomas
  • Reuben Foster

Free Agency Targets: Some are far more realistic than others (several will be off the board soon)
  • CB's: A.J. Bouye, Logan Ryan, Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Stephon Gilmore & Prince Amukamara (ages 25-27)
  • NT's: Brandon Williams, Dontari Poe, Alan Branch & Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey/Chris Jones
  • DE's: Jabaal Sheard, Jason Pierre-Paul, Calais Campbell & Melvin Ingram
  • ILB's: Dont'a Hightower, Malcolm Smith, Sean Spence, Manti Te'o, Gerald Hodges & Mychal Kendricks
  • S's: Eric Berry (Colin Jones & Michael Thomas for ST)

Good post!

+1

Nice post, NC. I'm sure they will continue to tinker with the lineup as we add more players and find out everyone's ideal fit. This is a good start.

I hope we can get enough talent to push dial out.
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:40 PM
Originally posted by PacTiger:
I hope we can get enough talent to push dial out.

Yeah, this is a verrrrry early projection lineup...about to change quite a bit over the next two months.
Feb 15, 2017 at 1:41 PM
Originally posted by PacTiger:
I hope we can get enough talent to push dial out.

Dial is decent, but nothing special. Right now I see him at NT in this scheme, he's probably good enough to fill that role adequately. I'd love to get a Brandon Mebane type player for that role like Seattle had. Short, stubby run defender who was also disruptive in the backfield. It's a shame Ian Williams couldn't stay healthy, because I think he would have been perfect for it.
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