Former NY Jets HC Robert Saleh

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Lol at the "not a finalist" crowd

The #Browns HC search came down to Kevin Stefanski and #49ers Robert Saleh, source tells me. Decision not finalized before their head-to-head matchup yesterday.

— Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) January 12, 2020

Not an elite candidate.

They obviously had their mind made up before the game. Clearly.

I think It's more like they were going to select the one that became first.

You can hire him any time. Like how we had a handshake agreement with Kyle. Esp. given he interviewed early and had his staff lined up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He's actually a fine DC. Hard to win games with a one legged sherm and guys like marsh as your top edge rusher.

What's more important is our staff stays together for another yr.

If only everyone realised this. It's important to keep the band together.

I am glad he is staying. I think he is a good young DC that the players obvious respect and play for. The defense against the Vikings was dominant and he has a lot to do with that. Over the course of the season, the defense had to deal with a lot of key injuries and he was able to put a defense on the field that made a difference in a lot big games. This defense last year was terrible.....no more. The defense is young and should be dominant for years to come. Keeping him around provides continuity and clearly a great approach to the game. He may not call the perfect game but I expect that to change with more experience.

The defense was dominant yesterday. I understand the talent is elite, but even George Seifert and Pete Carroll would be proud if that kind of elite defensive performance even with the elite talent.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

The way people under value Saleh is comical. I'm sure if we would have had this forum in 1979 and 1980 fans would have been saying that Walsh was over his head in the NFL and was another Eddie D mistake.

You could make an argument that if you pull Saleh out today, there would be zero drop off with the same talent level. Between Woods, Kocurek, Ryans, Warner and Sherman, the game plans would be fine.

Are you seriously trying to bring in a Bill Walsh comp???

Originally posted by TD49ers:

I am glad he is staying. I think he is a good young DC that the players obvious respect and play for. The defense against the Vikings was dominant and he has a lot to do with that. Over the course of the season, the defense had to deal with a lot of key injuries and he was able to put a defense on the field that made a difference in a lot big games. This defense last year was terrible.....no more. The defense is young and should be dominant for years to come. Keeping him around provides continuity and clearly a great approach to the game. He may not call the perfect game but I expect that to change with more experience.

Love this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Shucks

Oh well, hopefully like Harbaugh the talent stays healthy and carries him.

He's actually a fine DC. Hard to win games with a one legged sherm and guys like marsh as your top edge rusher.

What's more important is our staff stays together for another yr.

Yeah, I can't overly complain but I wasn't impressed in the least the last 3-4 games before Minnesota where Ford Bosa and the rest of the dline basically controlled the game. I kept seeing this "look how close the past 5 games have been" stat and you go back and see it was mostly the defense that kept it that way.

Baltimore? Last second drive given up by our defense.
NO- A TD in less than a minute thirty.
Falcons-a last second TD loses us the game
LAR- not a terrible game but we did worked over a good chunk
Seattle-we only got one stop the second half and they were 2 yards away after simply marching down the field. Wilson absolutely destroyed him. Luckily for us Greenlaw is a beast. The road would've been a lot harder if not for that tackle.


IMO yesterday was more a product of talent as I said. I mean I don't completely think Saleh is terrible but I don't he's this non replaceable assett. The difference between having certain players out there and not were night and day.

Edit: look at the seasons before as evidence as well.

Originally posted by Jiks:
Shucks

Oh well, hopefully like Harbaugh the talent stays healthy and carries him.

My main concern was that I didn't want him leaving and stripping coaches and staff members plus "rumored" Adam Peters for Browns GM.
Does Saleh make the players look good or did the players make him look good? I don't know.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Yeah, I can't overly complain but I wasn't impressed in the least the last 3-4 games before Minnesota where Ford Bosa and the rest of the dline basically controlled the game. I kept seeing this "look how close the past 5 games have been" stat and you go back and see it was mostly the defense that kept it that way.

Baltimore? Last second drive given up by our defense.
NO- A TD in less than a minute thirty.
Falcons-a last second TD loses us the game
LAR- not a terrible game but we did worked over a good chunk
Seattle-we only got one stop the second half and they were 2 yards away after simply marching down the field. Wilson absolutely destroyed him. Luckily for us Greenlaw is a beast. The road would've been a lot harder if not for that tackle.


IMO yesterday was more a product of talent as I said. I mean I don't completely think Saleh is terrible but I don't he's this non replaceable assett. The difference between having certain players out there and not were night and day.

They were literally playing with guys off the street opposite Bosa. They went from Ford's backup to street free agents because of injury. They had to replace Kwon, Tartt, DJ Jones, Blair..etc.


I really think the biggest issue was losing Tartt. There's no way that anyone could scheme Harris into being a suitable replacement. He's not the same player against the run and he is an enormous liability in coverage. Before they lost their TE, the Saints basically built their entire gameplan around going right at him. Depth at safety will have to be addressed before next season.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jiks:
Shucks

Oh well, hopefully like Harbaugh the talent stays healthy and carries him.

He's actually a fine DC. Hard to win games with a one legged sherm and guys like marsh as your top edge rusher.

What's more important is our staff stays together for another yr.

Yeah, I can't overly complain but I wasn't impressed in the least the last 3-4 games before Minnesota where Ford Bosa and the rest of the dline basically controlled the game. I kept seeing this "look how close the past 5 games have been" stat and you go back and see it was mostly the defense that kept it that way.

Baltimore? Last second drive given up by our defense.
NO- A TD in less than a minute thirty.
Falcons-a last second TD loses us the game
LAR- not a terrible game but we did worked over a good chunk
Seattle-we only got one stop the second half and they were 2 yards away after simply marching down the field. Wilson absolutely destroyed him. Luckily for us Greenlaw is a beast. The road would've been a lot harder if not for that tackle.

IMO yesterday was more a product of talent as I said. I mean I don't completely think Saleh is terrible but I don't he's this non replaceable assett. The difference between having certain players out there and not were night and day.

But injuries to a talent defense can really impact the defense. For example, Fangio's defense had to deal with a few injuries in the 2012 playoff and the defense wasn't good in any of the 3 playoff games. We would have won the Superbowl if the defense played a solid game. Conceding 34 points to that Ravens offense was bad. That team wasn't carried by their offense.

But we still considered Fangio to be one of the best defensive coordinator.

Originally posted by Sourball:
My main concern was that I didn't want him leaving and stripping coaches and staff members plus "rumored" Adam Peters for Browns GM.
Does Saleh make the players look good or did the players make him look good? I don't know.

Just take a look at the RAMS season and you might have your answer. They have invested ALOT in the players on the defensive side of the ball. They just fired Phillips and were ranked 20th. They got blown out on national TV a few times.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

I am glad he is staying. I think he is a good young DC that the players obvious respect and play for. The defense against the Vikings was dominant and he has a lot to do with that. Over the course of the season, the defense had to deal with a lot of key injuries and he was able to put a defense on the field that made a difference in a lot big games. This defense last year was terrible.....no more. The defense is young and should be dominant for years to come. Keeping him around provides continuity and clearly a great approach to the game. He may not call the perfect game but I expect that to change with more experience.

Love this.

Having a couple of studs back in Ford and Alexander makes a huge difference. But, I totally agree with the statement about continuity and gaining experience 👍

Originally posted by All22:

To be fair, it was likely Saleh who decided we needed to play more W9 and C2 and then sourced the coaching talent needed to do it. Setting a vision and hiring the talent to make it happen is excellent leadership.

We all question his value because we're not seeing his daily contributions but I'm relieved our coaching staff is staying intact.

Thats pretty speculative. Saleh never talked about either scheme the last two years. Seems like it came with the hires rather than was the reason for the hires.

Fire this guy now. I thought there was another GM Saleh coveted.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You could make an argument that if you pull Saleh out today, there would be zero drop off with the same talent level. Between Woods, Kocurek, Ryans, Warner and Sherman, the game plans would be fine.

Are you seriously trying to bring in a Bill Walsh comp???

Yes I am. Not saying Saleh is or ever will be as great as Bill but he's only just finished his 3rd year. After Walsh's first 2 years he wasn't being called a genius. There were many fans and writers saying that his system wasn't working. If there would have been social media in those days he and Eddie would have been ripped by all us experts. Then in year 3 after that great draft and getting Dean in free agency we started that great run. Then we would all be saying how smart Eddie was and Walsh was a genius. What I'm saying is fans are fickle and blow with the wind. As far as the defense being just as good without Saleh, that's something we will only know if and when he leaves. None of us knows how good any of those assistants would be as the OC any more than we know how good a HC Saleh would make.