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Originally posted by jcs:Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Not expecting him to line up on Sherm's side like at all.
Originally posted by jcs:Agree with this. When he is on Sherman's side let him go one on one if they're playing zone and he lines up on Sherman communication is vital with the backer. If he lines up on Moseley's side blanket him with a safety. Hopefully our linebackers can man up Graham without a problem all game.
Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
Originally posted by evil:What is to say Saleh didn't want a better teacher on the back end so he use more diversified coverages and better disguise those coverages ? We do know we struggled mightily the first 2 years with communication on the back end of the D under Hafley.
Not saying it is the case but to dismiss that this was Saleh's call is a large assumption. It comes across like you think Saleh's ability is strictly in a C3 tunnel. Seattle may run a cover 3 but Pete does diversify, including using cover 2 which he credits to learning from Monte Kiffin. So Saleh certainly learned a lot more than C3 under Pete.
Strong praise from Sherm (from October of this year) and he doesn't need to go so far as to call Saleh a genius when praising him. Just like Kyle has never wavered on moving on from Saleh after year one and two. Maybe just maybe Saleh is a little better than a lot of guys here truly believe.
Originally posted by Hopper:Yeah, would be kind of dumb. Probably will be lining up in the slot and other side a lot.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Not expecting him to line up on Sherm's side like at all.
Originally posted by jcs:Agree with this. When he is on Sherman's side let him go one on one if they're playing zone and he lines up on Sherman communication is vital with the backer. If he lines up on Moseley's side blanket him with a safety. Hopefully our linebackers can man up Graham without a problem all game.
Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
Originally posted by evil:Really? Seemed to me that they weren't when I was watching the game. Probably a loose double or half ass double. I did notice Ward over the top tight on the touchdown but they were down at the goal line.
Originally posted by jcs:
Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
jonnydel already illustrated that we did double Julio when played Atlanta.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:Really? Seemed to me that they weren't when I was watching the game. Probably a loose double or half ass double. I did notice Ward over the top tight on the touchdown but they were down at the goal line.Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by jcs:Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
jonnydel already illustrated that we did double Julio when played Atlanta.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by evil:What is to say Saleh didn't want a better teacher on the back end so he use more diversified coverages and better disguise those coverages ? We do know we struggled mightily the first 2 years with communication on the back end of the D under Hafley.
Not saying it is the case but to dismiss that this was Saleh's call is a large assumption. It comes across like you think Saleh's ability is strictly in a C3 tunnel. Seattle may run a cover 3 but Pete does diversify, including using cover 2 which he credits to learning from Monte Kiffin. So Saleh certainly learned a lot more than C3 under Pete.
Strong praise from Sherm (from October of this year) and he doesn't need to go so far as to call Saleh a genius when praising him. Just like Kyle has never wavered on moving on from Saleh after year one and two. Maybe just maybe Saleh is a little better than a lot of guys here truly believe.
LOL. Given Saleh didn't even seem to really know much about them or their specific roles upon hire, that might be a hint. He actually thought W9 would be a wrinkle.
IMHO, I think both were brought in by Kyle to help Saleh expand upon the foundation of C3 given how the holes were exposed last year. Smart.
And to Saleh's credit, he ran with it and it's worked very well.
What does hire of new defensive line coach mean for 49ers?
A week ago the Raiders hired Kris Kocurek as defensive line coach to replace Jeff Zgonina. Kocurek coached the Dolphins' defensive linemen in 2018.
Asked whether the move signifies a philosophical change for the defensive line, Saleh deflected.
"Like Kyle (Shanahan) said, there was no plan to make any changes on the staff and then Kris became available," Saleh said. "He's very well thought of. It really wasn't a knock on Z. I think Z did a really, really nice job but just an opportunity to get a guy who was very experienced but yeah, it was just one of those things."
"Philosophically, there's not gonna be a drastic change. It's just a guy who is very well thought of. Z did a tremendous job the last two years, what he took over. The room that he took over two years ago was not very good, both character wise and technically. So much appreciated for what he's done in the last two years. You guys know it's pretty hard to always let people go, so much appreciated for Z and what he's been able to do."
Saleh got to know Kocurek throughout the years "just talking ball" since they crossed over in coaching circles. Kocurek spent his first nine NFL seasons coaching on the Lions' defensive staff, and Saleh said Kocurek had a place three blocks from his parents' house in Detroit.
How does Saleh feel about the Joe Woods hire?
After defensive backs coach Jeff Hafley took the co-defensive coordinator job at Ohio State, the 49ers hired Joe Woods, who served as the Broncos' defensive coordinator in 2017 and 2018.
In 2017, the Broncos finished tied for 22nd in the NFL with 23.9 points allowed per game. In 2018, Denver finished 13th with 21.8 yards allowed per game. And after Broncos head coach Vance Joseph lost his job, so too did Woods.
Woods assumes the title of defensive backs coach/passing game coordinator with the 49ers, who set an NFL record for fewest interceptions in a season in 2018 with only two.
"Really, really excited to have Joe. I don't know if people realize that Joe is actually a disciple of the whole cover 2 tree. Came highly recommended from Monte (Kiffin) and Gus Bradley, who I think the world of obviously. They're my mentors. He is a believer in fundamentals, technique over scheme. That's something that Hafley did a great job of and we wanted to make sure we had great continuity in that regard.
"He comes from our school of thinking with regards to our system and it's gonna be seamless with the way he teaches and the things that he believes in … I'm really excited with what we're doing. I think it's gonna be a really cool working dynamic."
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
bosa + ford+ alexander + woods + kocurak = #2
Without Bosa, 20th.
Originally posted by NCommand:Thanks.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by evil:Really? Seemed to me that they weren't when I was watching the game. Probably a loose double or half ass double. I did notice Ward over the top tight on the touchdown but they were down at the goal line.
Originally posted by jcs:
Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
jonnydel already illustrated that we did double Julio when played Atlanta.
Yeah, zone bracket (off coverage). Not very tight to say the least even at the EZ.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by evil:
What is to say Saleh didn't want a better teacher on the back end so he use more diversified coverages and better disguise those coverages ? We do know we struggled mightily the first 2 years with communication on the back end of the D under Hafley.
Not saying it is the case but to dismiss that this was Saleh's call is a large assumption. It comes across like you think Saleh's ability is strictly in a C3 tunnel. Seattle may run a cover 3 but Pete does diversify, including using cover 2 which he credits to learning from Monte Kiffin. So Saleh certainly learned a lot more than C3 under Pete.
Strong praise from Sherm (from October of this year) and he doesn't need to go so far as to call Saleh a genius when praising him. Just like Kyle has never wavered on moving on from Saleh after year one and two. Maybe just maybe Saleh is a little better than a lot of guys here truly believe.
LOL. Given Saleh didn't even seem to really know much about them or their specific roles upon hire, that might be a hint. He actually thought W9 would be a wrinkle.
IMHO, I think both were brought in by Kyle to help Saleh expand upon the foundation of C3 given how the holes were exposed last year. Smart.
And to Saleh's credit, he ran with it and it's worked very well.
Are you sure?
What does hire of new defensive line coach mean for 49ers?
A week ago the Raiders hired Kris Kocurek as defensive line coach to replace [] Jeff Zgonina. Kocurek coached the Dolphins' defensive linemen in 2018.
Asked whether the move signifies a philosophical change for the defensive line, Saleh deflected.
"Like Kyle (Shanahan) said, there was no plan to make any changes on the staff and then Kris became available," Saleh said. "He's very well thought of. It really wasn't a knock on Z. I think Z did a really, really nice job but just an opportunity to get a guy who was very experienced but yeah, it was just one of those things."
"Philosophically, there's not gonna be a drastic change. It's just a guy who is very well thought of. Z did a tremendous job the last two years, what he took over. The room that he took over two years ago was not very good, both character wise and technically. So much appreciated for what he's done in the last two years. You guys know it's pretty hard to always let people go, so much appreciated for Z and what he's been able to do."
Saleh got to know Kocurek throughout the years "just talking ball" since they crossed over in coaching circles. Kocurek spent his first nine NFL seasons coaching on the Lions' defensive staff, and Saleh said Kocurek had a place three blocks from his parents' house in Detroit.
How does Saleh feel about the Joe Woods hire?
After defensive backs coach Jeff Hafley took the co-defensive coordinator job at Ohio State, the 49ers hired Joe Woods, who served as the Broncos' defensive coordinator in 2017 and 2018.
In 2017, the Broncos finished tied for 22nd in the NFL with 23.9 points allowed per game. In 2018, Denver finished 13th with 21.8 yards allowed per game. And after Broncos head coach Vance Joseph lost his job, so too did Woods.
Woods assumes the title of defensive backs coach/passing game coordinator with the 49ers, who set an NFL record for fewest interceptions in a season in 2018 with only two.
"Really, really excited to have Joe. I don't know if people realize that Joe is actually a disciple of the whole cover 2 tree. Came highly recommended from Monte (Kiffin) and Gus Bradley, who I think the world of obviously. They're my mentors. He is a believer in fundamentals, technique over scheme. That's something that Hafley did a great job of and we wanted to make sure we had great continuity in that regard.
"He comes from our school of thinking with regards to our system and it's gonna be seamless with the way he teaches and the things that he believes in … I'm really excited with what we're doing. I think it's gonna be a really cool working dynamic."
Originally posted by Giedi:
No link so I don't know how credible the article is. Having said that and assuming its a good article. I credit Kyle more for the hire than Saleh. Granted Saleh may have known these guys previously, but I"m also betting so did Kyle. So did Mike Shanahan. We all know MIke watches everything from the Coaching staff to the Players practice. I credit Kyle and Mike Sr. for seeing how deficient the coaching on the defensive side was and making a move to get better coaching on that side. I'm betting Saleh isn't the one that could fire them (or would fire them) because he works closely with Hafley and Zgonina, and probably wanted to retain them due to personal relationships with them. Again, I'm just guessing. But most folks do grow attached to co-workers who work closely together and I don't think Saleh has the fortitude to go up to Kyle and say to him to fire his close co-workers. I can see Kyle being cold blooded and firing them, but I don't see Saleh doing it. For one reason - It's Kyles neck on the line, not so much Saleh's - on how the ballclub does on the wins and losses in terms of final responsibility.
Considering Saleh's statements last year regarding pressures vs sacks. I think he was echoing Zgonina's philosophy and so I would credit Saleh for being open to coaching changes promulgated by Kyle/Mike than him doing it on his own. I wasn't impressed with Saleh's defense last year, but when they got Kocurek and Woods (whoever made the decision - Kyle or Saleh) all of a sudden the defense got better real fast. Bosa is a big reason for that, but I think Woods and Kocurek, rather than Saleh - is the other half of the improvement, and I credit Saleh for being open to learning, changing and perhaps growing from Woods and Kocurek - but not much more. Just my two cents.
Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by evil:What is to say Saleh didn't want a better teacher on the back end so he use more diversified coverages and better disguise those coverages ? We do know we struggled mightily the first 2 years with communication on the back end of the D under Hafley.
Not saying it is the case but to dismiss that this was Saleh's call is a large assumption. It comes across like you think Saleh's ability is strictly in a C3 tunnel. Seattle may run a cover 3 but Pete does diversify, including using cover 2 which he credits to learning from Monte Kiffin. So Saleh certainly learned a lot more than C3 under Pete.
Strong praise from Sherm (from October of this year) and he doesn't need to go so far as to call Saleh a genius when praising him. Just like Kyle has never wavered on moving on from Saleh after year one and two. Maybe just maybe Saleh is a little better than a lot of guys here truly believe.
LOL. Given Saleh didn't even seem to really know much about them or their specific roles upon hire, that might be a hint. He actually thought W9 would be a wrinkle.
IMHO, I think both were brought in by Kyle to help Saleh expand upon the foundation of C3 given how the holes were exposed last year. Smart.
And to Saleh's credit, he ran with it and it's worked very well.
Are you sure?
What does hire of new defensive line coach mean for 49ers?
A week ago the Raiders hired Kris Kocurek as defensive line coach to replace [
Asked whether the move signifies a philosophical change for the defensive line, Saleh deflected.
"Like Kyle (Shanahan) said, there was no plan to make any changes on the staff and then Kris became available," Saleh said. "He's very well thought of. It really wasn't a knock on Z. I think Z did a really, really nice job but just an opportunity to get a guy who was very experienced but yeah, it was just one of those things."
"Philosophically, there's not gonna be a drastic change. It's just a guy who is very well thought of. Z did a tremendous job the last two years, what he took over. The room that he took over two years ago was not very good, both character wise and technically. So much appreciated for what he's done in the last two years. You guys know it's pretty hard to always let people go, so much appreciated for Z and what he's been able to do."
Saleh got to know Kocurek throughout the years "just talking ball" since they crossed over in coaching circles. Kocurek spent his first nine NFL seasons coaching on the Lions' defensive staff, and Saleh said Kocurek had a place three blocks from his parents' house in Detroit.
How does Saleh feel about the Joe Woods hire?
After defensive backs coach Jeff Hafley took the co-defensive coordinator job at Ohio State, the 49ers hired Joe Woods, who served as the Broncos' defensive coordinator in 2017 and 2018.
In 2017, the Broncos finished tied for 22nd in the NFL with 23.9 points allowed per game. In 2018, Denver finished 13th with 21.8 yards allowed per game. And after Broncos head coach Vance Joseph lost his job, so too did Woods.
Woods assumes the title of defensive backs coach/passing game coordinator with the 49ers, who set an NFL record for fewest interceptions in a season in 2018 with only two.
"Really, really excited to have Joe. I don't know if people realize that Joe is actually a disciple of the whole cover 2 tree. Came highly recommended from Monte (Kiffin) and Gus Bradley, who I think the world of obviously. They're my mentors. He is a believer in fundamentals, technique over scheme. That's something that Hafley did a great job of and we wanted to make sure we had great continuity in that regard.
"He comes from our school of thinking with regards to our system and it's gonna be seamless with the way he teaches and the things that he believes in … I'm really excited with what we're doing. I think it's gonna be a really cool working dynamic."
No link so I don't know how credible the article is. Having said that and assuming its a good article. I credit Kyle more for the hire than Saleh. Granted Saleh may have known these guys previously, but I"m also betting so did Kyle. So did Mike Shanahan. We all know MIke watches everything from the Coaching staff to the Players practice. I credit Kyle and Mike Sr. for seeing how deficient the coaching on the defensive side was and making a move to get better coaching on that side. I'm betting Saleh isn't the one that could fire them (or would fire them) because he works closely with Hafley and Zgonina, and probably wanted to retain them due to personal relationships with them. Again, I'm just guessing. But most folks do grow attached to co-workers who work closely together and I don't think Saleh has the fortitude to go up to Kyle and say to him to fire his close co-workers. I can see Kyle being cold blooded and firing them, but I don't see Saleh doing it. For one reason - It's Kyles neck on the line, not so much Saleh's - on how the ballclub does on the wins and losses in terms of final responsibility.
Considering Saleh's statements last year regarding pressures vs sacks. I think he was echoing Zgonina's philosophy and so I would credit Saleh for being open to coaching changes promulgated by Kyle/Mike than him doing it on his own. I wasn't impressed with Saleh's defense last year, but when they got Kocurek and Woods (whoever made the decision - Kyle or Saleh) all of a sudden the defense got better real fast. Bosa is a big reason for that, but I think Woods and Kocurek, rather than Saleh - is the other half of the improvement, and I credit Saleh for being open to learning, changing and perhaps growing from Woods and Kocurek - but not much more. Just my two cents.
Originally posted by evil:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by evil:What is to say Saleh didn't want a better teacher on the back end so he use more diversified coverages and better disguise those coverages ? We do know we struggled mightily the first 2 years with communication on the back end of the D under Hafley.
Not saying it is the case but to dismiss that this was Saleh's call is a large assumption. It comes across like you think Saleh's ability is strictly in a C3 tunnel. Seattle may run a cover 3 but Pete does diversify, including using cover 2 which he credits to learning from Monte Kiffin. So Saleh certainly learned a lot more than C3 under Pete.
Strong praise from Sherm (from October of this year) and he doesn't need to go so far as to call Saleh a genius when praising him. Just like Kyle has never wavered on moving on from Saleh after year one and two. Maybe just maybe Saleh is a little better than a lot of guys here truly believe.
LOL. Given Saleh didn't even seem to really know much about them or their specific roles upon hire, that might be a hint. He actually thought W9 would be a wrinkle.
IMHO, I think both were brought in by Kyle to help Saleh expand upon the foundation of C3 given how the holes were exposed last year. Smart.
And to Saleh's credit, he ran with it and it's worked very well.
Are you sure?
What does hire of new defensive line coach mean for 49ers?
A week ago the Raiders hired Kris Kocurek as defensive line coach to replace Jeff Zgonina. Kocurek coached the Dolphins' defensive linemen in 2018.
Asked whether the move signifies a philosophical change for the defensive line, Saleh deflected.
"Like Kyle (Shanahan) said, there was no plan to make any changes on the staff and then Kris became available," Saleh said. "He's very well thought of. It really wasn't a knock on Z. I think Z did a really, really nice job but just an opportunity to get a guy who was very experienced but yeah, it was just one of those things."
"Philosophically, there's not gonna be a drastic change. It's just a guy who is very well thought of. Z did a tremendous job the last two years, what he took over. The room that he took over two years ago was not very good, both character wise and technically. So much appreciated for what he's done in the last two years. You guys know it's pretty hard to always let people go, so much appreciated for Z and what he's been able to do."
Saleh got to know Kocurek throughout the years "just talking ball" since they crossed over in coaching circles. Kocurek spent his first nine NFL seasons coaching on the Lions' defensive staff, and Saleh said Kocurek had a place three blocks from his parents' house in Detroit.
How does Saleh feel about the Joe Woods hire?
After defensive backs coach Jeff Hafley took the co-defensive coordinator job at Ohio State, the 49ers hired Joe Woods, who served as the Broncos' defensive coordinator in 2017 and 2018.
In 2017, the Broncos finished tied for 22nd in the NFL with 23.9 points allowed per game. In 2018, Denver finished 13th with 21.8 yards allowed per game. And after Broncos head coach Vance Joseph lost his job, so too did Woods.
Woods assumes the title of defensive backs coach/passing game coordinator with the 49ers, who set an NFL record for fewest interceptions in a season in 2018 with only two.
"Really, really excited to have Joe. I don't know if people realize that Joe is actually a disciple of the whole cover 2 tree. Came highly recommended from Monte (Kiffin) and Gus Bradley, who I think the world of obviously. They're my mentors. He is a believer in fundamentals, technique over scheme. That's something that Hafley did a great job of and we wanted to make sure we had great continuity in that regard.
"He comes from our school of thinking with regards to our system and it's gonna be seamless with the way he teaches and the things that he believes in … I'm really excited with what we're doing. I think it's gonna be a really cool working dynamic."
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by jcs:
Please learn from your mistakes during the season and double Adams. We don't need another remix of Julio Jones running free against our DB's. They have no one else for you to worry about.
What mistakes?
Adams had 40 yards against the 49ers in week 13.
Originally posted by evil:Link : https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/23/what-we-learned-from-49ers-dc-robert-saleh-on-wednesday-at-senior-bowl/amp/
Literally Saleh's words from the Senior Bowl. And Saleh wouldn't want to move on from coaches under him because of relationships?
This is a business and he knows that. He has been moved on from before, it comes with the territory. The better your staff is under you, the better you have a chance to be. You need those assistants to get the most out of your individual position groups to get the best results as a whole.
Believing Saleh lacks the fortitude to make changes when it is his coaching ass on the line is kind of silly don't you think?
Again it seems it is more of the "let's not give Saleh too much credit" rhetoric. BUT when the defense has a bad play, drive or game then it's all "blame Saleh". Narrative much here gentleman?
