Former NY Jets HC Robert Saleh

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

I've been one of his worst critics and I still wouldn't care if he would've taken the Michigan job or whatever it was. But you cant blame that on the defense or Saleh. To hold that offense to 10 points through 3 QTs is very impressive. There have been plenty of stats posted showing how that was by far their worst 3 QTs offensively the whole year.

You have kind of a lead, especially after that pick with 9 min left, you gotta put them away. The defense more than did its job. You just can't expect to beat the Chiefs when you only score 20 points, idc what defense or era it is, that Chiefs team is putting up more than 10 points on anyone.

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/02/2020-super-bowl-san-francisco-49ers-collapse-kyle-shanahan-robert-saleh?utm_source=49ersWebZone&utm_medium=dt&utm_campaign=affref

That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

That's the funny part about this. Shanny critics wanted us to score more because we had to vs KC but also don't want him to pass the ball. Just run the ball into a stacked line.

Shanny made the right play calls unfortunately Jimmy didn't deliver. I wouldn't fault either of the coaches for this loss to me it's on Jimmy. He had some easy passes and missed them.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

That's the funny part about this. Shanny critics wanted us to score more because we had to vs KC but also don't want him to pass the ball. Just run the ball into a stacked line.

Shanny made the right play calls unfortunately Jimmy didn't deliver. I wouldn't fault either of the coaches for this loss to me it's on Jimmy. He had some easy passes and missed them.

Jimmy is Kyle's guy, he passed on two great QBs in that first draft for Solomon Thomas. Jimmy's performances are all on Kyle.

I think it will work long term. Jimmy is a winner.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Jimmy is Kyle's guy, he passed on two great QBs in that first draft for Solomon Thomas. Jimmy's performances are all on Kyle.

I think it will work long term. Jimmy is a winner.

Technically Cousins was Shanny's guy/ I think Jimmy was more the org's but you are right that yeah ultimately Shanny is responsible for him.

This loss is on the O. Our D played brilliantly. Should have been an easy win. 20 points against that D is atrocious. We'll never beat KC with this oline. Jimmy's mechanical flaws and tunnel vision were on great display under duress.

Originally posted by socal1632:

This loss is on the O. Our D played brilliantly. Should have been an easy win. 20 points against that D is atrocious. We'll never beat KC with this oline. Jimmy's mechanical flaws and tunnel vision were on great display under duress.

LOL. So we're just going to ignore the 21 points given up in 5 minutes?

By this logic, the offense played great for 3.5 quarters too. They were up by 2 scores with only 7 minutes to go. Jimmy was 14 for 17 at that point and we were averaging 6.9 yards a rush.

...both epically collapsed in the heat of the moment. Period.

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. So we're just going to ignore the 21 points given up in 5 minutes?

By this logic, the offense played great for 3.5 quarters too. They were up by 2 scores with only 7 minutes to go. Jimmy was 14 for 17 at that point and we were averaging 6.9 yards a rush.

...both epically collapsed in the heat of the moment. Period.

The d was going up against a top ranked offense. A team that has scored more than 20 points all but once in the past 2 years and twice already in the postseason erased 2 score leads with the snap of a finger .Conversely the o was going up a bag of dog sh.

If anyone thought we'd win with only 20 they just haven't been paying attention.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Jimmy is Kyle's guy, he passed on two great QBs in that first draft for Solomon Thomas. Jimmy's performances are all on Kyle.

I think it will work long term. Jimmy is a winner.

Technically Cousins was Shanny's guy/ I think Jimmy was more the org's but you are right that yeah ultimately Shanny is responsible for him.

Yeah, Woo probably missed that but Kyle confirmed he didn't even look at those guys much because he knew Cousins was going to be free...then JG happened. He did admit he probably should have looked deeper into them though but both were considered mid level picks and we were picking #2.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

The d was going up against a top ranked offense. A team that has scored more than 20 points all but once in the past 2 years and twice already in the postseason erased 2 score leads with the snap of a finger .Conversely the o was going up a bag of dog sh.

If anyone thought we'd win with only 20 they just haven't been paying attention.

Literally, one stop and the game is over. Just like that Atlanta/Pat's Superbowl. And it was our O and D that was dictating the landscape of 20 to 10 with only 7 minutes to go so the usual scenario of needing to score more than 30 was out the window. In fact, offensively, we were right on pace. We typically averaged 29 points and had 20 with 7 minutes to go. It was KC's offense that was way off their game up to that point...only 10 points.

I hear you though. No excuses either way...one stop on defense or one first down on offense and we win that game. Sad.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Literally, one stop and the game is over. Just like that Atlanta/Pat's Superbowl. And it was our O and D that was dictating the landscape of 20 to 10 with only 7 minutes to go so the usual scenario of needing to score more than 30 was out the window. In fact, offensively, we were right on pace. We typically averaged 29 points and had 20 with 7 minutes to go. It was KC's offense that was way off their game up to that point...only 10 points.

I hear you though. No excuses either way...one stop on defense or one first down on offense and we win that game. Sad.

Bringing up the NE v Sea/ Atl games only further shows it. Throw out the rest of the game because those final stops will be the toughest. If you can't sustain a 4th quarter drive yet alone score then you will lose against an elite o. The game is made for them to win nowadays.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NCommand:

The defense gave up 21 points in 5 minutes...a trend we've seen, what, 5-6 times this year? Granted, the offense collapsed just as much when it mattered most. In fact it took a perfect collapse all around unfortunately.

But these late 4Q collapses after Saleh goes to his soft shell to keep everything in front and eat up clock backfires too often. The opponents not only score but score very quickly and take full momentum from there. This is clearly something he needs to figure out schematically and philisophically even WHEN he has top notch personnel out there.

The team blitzed on one play and that's the one where Sherman got roasted by Watkins. It's just a draw back of the cover 3. You got larger corners who can struggle vs speed. You want to be aggressive and blitz and that will be exposed even more. We may just be looking at the weakness of this scheme because it's now given up 3 4th quarter 10 point leads in the SB.

End of the day though you score 20 vs KC and you'll lose every time. I put a lot more blame on the o.

Offense gets their blame share. But if this defense wanted to be labeled great they needed to hold and they didn't. Saleh had them 3rd and long and couldn't put the players in to close it out. On the other side they went blitz to shut down JG. He guessed wrong going soft. If he blitzed Warner the moonball to Hill doesn't have time to develop.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Bringing up the NE v Sea/ Atl games only further shows it. Throw out the rest of the game because those final stops will be the toughest. If you can't sustain a 4th quarter drive yet alone score then you will lose against an elite o. The game is made for them to win nowadays.

Yeah, I knew when we didn't score right after the INT, we were in trouble. And right after they scored 7, it was game over...seen this pattern before.

It's safe to say Lynch, Kyle, Saleh and Jimmy need to do some self scouting this off season.

We forget, from the FO down, this is the youngest team in the NFL and would be even younger without Staley, Sherman and Sanders.

The youth and inexperience showed at the worst time.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, I knew when we didn't score right after the INT, we were in trouble. And right after they scored 7, it was game over...seen this pattern before.

It's safe to say Lynch, Kyle, Saleh and Jimmy need to do some self scouting this off season.

We forget, from the FO down, this is the youngest team in the NFL and would be even younger without Staley, Sherman and Sanders.

The youth and inexperience showed at the worst time.

I knew defensively we'd break if we allowed it but thought Jimmy would pull threw at the end. Don't know what was up with him since he's been clutch all year. But yeah this team is top 3 offensively and defensively built around mostly young talent. There will be other chances.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, I knew when we didn't score right after the INT, we were in trouble. And right after they scored 7, it was game over...seen this pattern before.

It's safe to say Lynch, Kyle, Saleh and Jimmy need to do some self scouting this off season.

We forget, from the FO down, this is the youngest team in the NFL and would be even younger without Staley, Sherman and Sanders.

The youth and inexperience showed at the worst time.

I knew defensively we'd break if we allowed it but thought Jimmy would pull threw at the end. Don't know what was up with him since he's been clutch all year. But yeah this team is top 3 offensively and defensively built around mostly young talent. There will be other chances.

Exactly. He has been clutch all year. That gives me hope going forward. Hopefully next year, they just kick everyone's ass and we won't have to worry about an offensive or defense collapse at the end.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Okay so which is it? Run the ball out or try to score? ya'll are all over the place lol. Again the plays were there. Guys were open and our QB didn't execute, especially in the 2nd half.

Reid who's known as one of the best HCs coming off a bye in NFL history is your opponent, you'd better get damn creative on defense. Don't run quarters 99% of the time out of shotgun and Cover 3 from behind center. Reid is gonna eat that up and made adjustments in the 2nd half while Saleh didn't.

Kyle wasn't perfect BUT there's plenty of blame to be had elsewhere. film doesn't lie.