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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Okay so which is it? Run the ball out or try to score? ya'll are all over the place lol. Again the plays were there. Guys were open and our QB didn't execute, especially in the 2nd half.

Reid who's known as one of the best HCs coming off a bye in NFL history is your opponent, you'd better get damn creative on defense. Don't run quarters 99% of the time out of shotgun and Cover 3 from behind center. Reid is gonna eat that up and made adjustments in the 2nd half while Saleh didn't.

Kyle wasn't perfect BUT there's plenty of blame to be had elsewhere. film doesn't lie.

Do you really think he even read it?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Okay so which is it? Run the ball out or try to score? ya'll are all over the place lol. Again the plays were there. Guys were open and our QB didn't execute, especially in the 2nd half.

Reid who's known as one of the best HCs coming off a bye in NFL history is your opponent, you'd better get damn creative on defense. Don't run quarters 99% of the time out of shotgun and Cover 3 from behind center. Reid is gonna eat that up and made adjustments in the 2nd half while Saleh didn't.

Kyle wasn't perfect BUT there's plenty of blame to be had elsewhere. film doesn't lie.

Do you really think he even read it?

No I do not
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by socal1632:
There's no shame in losing to Patrick Mahomes and Andry Reid. Robert Saleh fell victim to a duo that has left many defenses in its wake. But the 49ers defense deserved more from its coach. Saleh had the league's deepest and most talented defense at his disposal. He had two weeks to put together a game plan. And this is what he came up with? Mahomes and Reid do not need any extra help to make an opposing defense look silly, but Saleh gave it to them anyway.
This pretty much spells it out. His mind is too rigid and creative enough in real time. Happy to have him back, continuity. He'll grow from this, smart guy.

Saleh's simple approach to play-calling had served the 49ers well all season. With a stacked group of pass rushers, an athletic linebacker corps and a smart secondary, he had more than enough talent to just line up and beat opposing offenses even if they knew what was coming. Against Andy Reid and this offense, which was just as talented, that was a mistake. A far bigger mistake than any Shanahan made that night in Miami.

I've been one of his worst critics and I still wouldn't care if he would've taken the Michigan job or whatever it was. But you cant blame that on the defense or Saleh. To hold that offense to 10 points through 3 QTs is very impressive. There have been plenty of stats posted showing how that was by far their worst 3 QTs offensively the whole year.

You have kind of a lead, especially after that pick with 9 min left, you gotta put them away. The defense more than did its job. You just can't expect to beat the Chiefs when you only score 20 points, idc what defense or era it is, that Chiefs team is putting up more than 10 points on anyone.

The defense gave up 21 points in 5 minutes...a trend we've seen, what, 5-6 times this year? Granted, the offense collapsed just as much when it mattered most. In fact it took a perfect collapse all around unfortunately.

But these late 4Q collapses after Saleh goes to his soft shell to keep everything in front and eat up clock backfires too often. The opponents not only score but score very quickly and take full momentum from there. This is clearly something he needs to figure out schematically and philisophically even WHEN he has top notch personnel out there.


This.

I noticed Mosely missed two critical assignments. One was when Kelce scored. At SB no one should be missing assignments especially in the final half of the last quarter.

The defense up until the last 11 minutes had done a good job keep Mahones pinned. But in the last quarter I could see him escaping his pocket more and more and that is when he is most dangerous. IF we kept him in the pocket and our secondaries stuck to their assignments it would have been a different outcome.

In my view the loss was more on the defense then the offense.

Agreed. That's another Saleh issue...leaving a team's top players on our youngest players. We saw how Payton/Brees exposed Azeez Al-Shaair & Marcell Harris with Cook, and in this game, asking Moseley to cover Tyreek Hill for 40 yards with no S help and no jam at the LOS, T.Moore on Kelce, also 1on1 in the RZ (hello!), leaving Witherspoon out on an island after his obvious struggles when QB's don't even look to the lock-down side in Sherman, etc. Schematically, he needs to get his players in better positions and know when to help them...read them like Shanahan does with Garoppolo. When he's on, unleash him. If he's off, turn to the run game more until he gets going. The other team gets paid too so OC's targeting these players should be expected. And if your DL is naturally going to wear down d/t the lack of depth, that's when you need to change it up. Bring bltizes, drop more into coverage and force them to run which eats up the clock, etc.

Just a couple areas he needs to work on and he'll have a chance to be a top DC in this league.

Cool
We'll just apply all this when we make it in next years Super Bowl so we good
(Hope your sarcasm meter is working)

Really f**ked up to be honest. So hard to get to a super bowl.

Saleh should have been disguising coverages to confuse the young Pat M the whole f**king game.
[ Edited by Jeepzilla on Feb 11, 2020 at 11:29 AM ]
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Cool
We'll just apply all this when we make it in next years Super Bowl so we good
(Hope your sarcasm meter is working)

Really f**ked up to be honest. So hard to get to a super bowl.

Saleh should have been disguising coverages to confuse the young Pat M the whole f**king game.

Haha. I definitely picked up on the sarcasm.

Yeah, I thought with Joe Woods, they'd have a pretty sneaky game plan.

Almost had 'em. The 3rd and 15 "punt return."

[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 11, 2020 at 4:11 PM ]
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just tells you who calls the shots. Also could be a reason why Joe want to leave....

Very possible esp. given the immediate hire was from the Saleh school as well.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 11, 2020 at 2:19 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just tells you who calls the shots. Also could be a reason why Joe want to leave....

Very possible esp. given the immediate hire was from the Saleh school as well.

Meh joe worked with Stefanski for 7 yrs in Minn.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just tells you who calls the shots. Also could be a reason why Joe want to leave....

Very possible esp. given the immediate hire was from the Saleh school as well.

Meh joe worked with Stefanski for 7 yrs in Minn.

Not to mention that after his stint as Denver's DC ended poorly, he can't count on many opportunities to be a DC again coming his way. There was never any guarantee he would be promoted here if Saleh leaves.

Folks can also say "but it's the Browns", but he does have some talent to work with on that defense. And I would bet that he knows that Stefanski, Berry and DePodesta are on the same page with their vision.
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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just tells you who calls the shots. Also could be a reason why Joe want to leave....

Very possible esp. given the immediate hire was from the Saleh school as well.

Meh joe worked with Stefanski for 7 yrs in Minn.

Not to mention that after his stint as Denver's DC ended poorly, he can't count on many opportunities to be a DC again coming his way. There was never any guarantee he would be promoted here if Saleh leaves.

Folks can also say "but it's the Browns", but he does have some talent to work with on that defense. And I would bet that he knows that Stefanski, Berry and DePodesta are on the same page with their vision.

On more than one occasion, when a reporter asked about what Woods contributed to the 49er staff, players and coaches (Saleh) mentioned that Woods was very involved with technique, not so much scheme. Woods most likely wanted to call his own defense so he took that opportunity with the Browns.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just tells you who calls the shots. Also could be a reason why Joe want to leave....

Very possible esp. given the immediate hire was from the Saleh school as well.

Meh joe worked with Stefanski for 7 yrs in Minn.

They didn't coach together? And a Mayhew connection too?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Okay so which is it? Run the ball out or try to score? ya'll are all over the place lol. Again the plays were there. Guys were open and our QB didn't execute, especially in the 2nd half.

Reid who's known as one of the best HCs coming off a bye in NFL history is your opponent, you'd better get damn creative on defense. Don't run quarters 99% of the time out of shotgun and Cover 3 from behind center. Reid is gonna eat that up and made adjustments in the 2nd half while Saleh didn't.

Kyle wasn't perfect BUT there's plenty of blame to be had elsewhere. film doesn't lie.

Score more than 20.

I am not all over the place, I didn't mention playcalling. I said the offense sucked. That is a fact.
Blaming the defense is just dumb.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Okay so which is it? Run the ball out or try to score? ya'll are all over the place lol. Again the plays were there. Guys were open and our QB didn't execute, especially in the 2nd half.

Reid who's known as one of the best HCs coming off a bye in NFL history is your opponent, you'd better get damn creative on defense. Don't run quarters 99% of the time out of shotgun and Cover 3 from behind center. Reid is gonna eat that up and made adjustments in the 2nd half while Saleh didn't.

Kyle wasn't perfect BUT there's plenty of blame to be had elsewhere. film doesn't lie.

Do you really think he even read it?

The premise (Blame the defense, do not blame the offense) is stupid and I did read it.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That's dumb.
20 points is not enough, 0 pts in the 4th is not enough, turning the ball over on the last two possessions was not going to cut it.

Okay so which is it? Run the ball out or try to score? ya'll are all over the place lol. Again the plays were there. Guys were open and our QB didn't execute, especially in the 2nd half.

Reid who's known as one of the best HCs coming off a bye in NFL history is your opponent, you'd better get damn creative on defense. Don't run quarters 99% of the time out of shotgun and Cover 3 from behind center. Reid is gonna eat that up and made adjustments in the 2nd half while Saleh didn't.

Kyle wasn't perfect BUT there's plenty of blame to be had elsewhere. film doesn't lie.

Do you really think he even read it?

The premise (Blame the defense, do not blame the offense) is stupid and I did read it.

Ya it is dumb to blame the defense. No team in the NFL held KC to 10 points through 3 QTs (except the Chargers somehow), let alone going into the 4th and getting a pick.

Is the defense completely without fault? No, but they weren't the reason we lost. Offense had plenty of chances to close the deal on that bad defense.
[ Edited by TheGore49er on Feb 15, 2020 at 8:23 AM ]
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The premise (Blame the defense, do not blame the offense) is stupid and I did read it.

Yeah, I think blaming one side more than the other is simple selective bias, in this case. But to each his own.

No doubt the work is cut out for both coaches on what they need to improve upon.
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I think blaming one side more than the other is simple selective bias, in this case. But to each his own.

No doubt the work is cut out for both coaches on what they need to improve upon.

Many places we could go with this. Team is almost there. I just hope they can maintain their hunger.

+ 1000% on the hunger/drive

Some minor tweaks to the roster and to the coaching during critical situations will make the difference IMO.

I believe John will get the draft (limited) and FA part done

cant wait for it all to unfold
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