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Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

Agree.
Add in a Wr that can shift to RB or TE, a RB who has speed and can catch like a WR, a TE who can block like an OLineman.

Positionless Football. -- NCommand.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?
Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree.
Add in a Wr that can shift to RB or TE, a RB who has speed and can catch like a WR, a TE who can block like an OLineman.

Positionless Football. -- NCommand.

Yes sir!!!
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Now throw this monkey wrench into the pot. It sounds like ol' Jimbo had plenty of veto power matched up with Baalke. I always assumed it was Baalke who got the first pick and Jimbo got the 2nd as those players seemed to add up to each guys personal philosophy. But it sounds like it went beyond the 2nd pick too for Jimbo.

The 49ers had a 3rd round draft grade for Richard Sherman in 2011, but Jim Harbaugh used some veto power in the room to erase him from the draft board entirely:https://t.co/e9p7qDjXuS

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 28, 2020

Instead they took Chris Culliver in the 3rd round. Imagine what happens if Sherman is a 49er instead of Culliver? Even if Sherman busted and never develops into a HoFer, it changes so much of what happens in those SEA/SF battles of 2012/13. Plus that Culliver goof up in the SB game smh.
Can you imagine what Fangio could have done with his coverages had Sherman been here?

Personally, I don't think we'd ever have gone to a wide 9 if Fangio's here. His defenses are linebacker-centric and while he maintains a strong Defensive LIne front, I get the feeling he's too old school to go the Kocureck way and forego defending the run to get at the passer. As for Sherman, he'd be good in his defense, I agree.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?

I'm sure you've seen me post about how players said that Woods was not heavily involved in scheme last season and was more involved with technique. Sherman was on video saying so. That makes me think it's Saleh that made the effort to diversify their coverages in 2019. I sure hope they continue with mixing up their single high vs two high looks and not go back to 2017/18 when they were playing so much single high.

No idea what kind of ideas the new DB coach Tony Odin will bring in. If he had a big hand in Darius Slay's development, does that mean the 49ers play more man compared to previous years? I think that's what DSlay is more known for.
Originally posted by NCommand:
The peanut punch!


that stripe fumble by marcel harris on lamar was sexy af.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?

I'm sure you've seen me post about how players said that Woods was not heavily involved in scheme last season and was more involved with technique. Sherman was on video saying so. That makes me think it's Saleh that made the effort to diversify their coverages in 2019. I sure hope they continue with mixing up their single high vs two high looks and not go back to 2017/18 when they were playing so much single high.

No idea what kind of ideas the new DB coach Tony Odin will bring in. If he had a big hand in Darius Slay's development, does that mean the 49ers play more man compared to previous years? I think that's what DSlay is more known for.

Oh snap...how did I miss this? I just assumed Woods background in 2 deep was brought in to mesh with cover 3 because Kyle wanted the defense to expand/evolve...got too predictable. Thanks for that insight.

That's very encouraging then!

I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see more man. I know that's something we'd all like to see more of.

That'll have to be pick and choose with Sherman.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?

I'm sure you've seen me post about how players said that Woods was not heavily involved in scheme last season and was more involved with technique. Sherman was on video saying so. That makes me think it's Saleh that made the effort to diversify their coverages in 2019. I sure hope they continue with mixing up their single high vs two high looks and not go back to 2017/18 when they were playing so much single high.

No idea what kind of ideas the new DB coach Tony Odin will bring in. If he had a big hand in Darius Slay's development, does that mean the 49ers play more man compared to previous years? I think that's what DSlay is more known for.

Oh snap...how did I miss this? I just assumed Woods background in 2 deep was brought in to mesh with cover 3 because Kyle wanted the defense to expand/evolve...got too predictable. Thanks for that insight.

That's very encouraging then!

I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see more man. I know that's something we'd all like to see more of.

That'll have to be pick and choose with Sherman.

Here's the post to the video. It's from SB week. I think it's Maiocco that asked about what Woods brought to the defense.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/191914-joe-woods-passing-game-coordinator-browns/page25/#post364
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?

I'm sure you've seen me post about how players said that Woods was not heavily involved in scheme last season and was more involved with technique. Sherman was on video saying so. That makes me think it's Saleh that made the effort to diversify their coverages in 2019. I sure hope they continue with mixing up their single high vs two high looks and not go back to 2017/18 when they were playing so much single high.

No idea what kind of ideas the new DB coach Tony Odin will bring in. If he had a big hand in Darius Slay's development, does that mean the 49ers play more man compared to previous years? I think that's what DSlay is more known for.

Oh snap...how did I miss this? I just assumed Woods background in 2 deep was brought in to mesh with cover 3 because Kyle wanted the defense to expand/evolve...got too predictable. Thanks for that insight.

That's very encouraging then!

I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see more man. I know that's something we'd all like to see more of.

That'll have to be pick and choose with Sherman.

Here's the post to the video. It's from SB week. I think it's Maiocco that asked about what Woods brought to the defense.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/191914-joe-woods-passing-game-coordinator-browns/page25/#post364

The greenbay sack/fumble on Aaron in last year's regular season game was a zone blitz. I haven't seen them to a lot of that last year. With more Man coverage, you can do a bit more on the zone blitz stuff. Zone Blitzing might actually help against scrambling QB's going one way or the other, to think about it.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?

I'm sure you've seen me post about how players said that Woods was not heavily involved in scheme last season and was more involved with technique. Sherman was on video saying so. That makes me think it's Saleh that made the effort to diversify their coverages in 2019. I sure hope they continue with mixing up their single high vs two high looks and not go back to 2017/18 when they were playing so much single high.

No idea what kind of ideas the new DB coach Tony Odin will bring in. If he had a big hand in Darius Slay's development, does that mean the 49ers play more man compared to previous years? I think that's what DSlay is more known for.

Oh snap...how did I miss this? I just assumed Woods background in 2 deep was brought in to mesh with cover 3 because Kyle wanted the defense to expand/evolve...got too predictable. Thanks for that insight.

That's very encouraging then!

I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see more man. I know that's something we'd all like to see more of.

That'll have to be pick and choose with Sherman.

Here's the post to the video. It's from SB week. I think it's Maiocco that asked about what Woods brought to the defense.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/191914-joe-woods-passing-game-coordinator-browns/page25/#post364

The greenbay sack/fumble on Aaron in last year's regular season game was a zone blitz. I haven't seen them to a lot of that last year. With more Man coverage, you can do a bit more on the zone blitz stuff. Zone Blitzing might actually help against scrambling QB's going one way or the other, to think about it.

Zone coverage in general is more effective against mobile QB's.
Originally posted by NCommand:
The peanut punch!


Jeez...thanx for all the reminders, NC. Offseason is kinda tough, but that vid is a brightener ...and a reminder
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Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

Exactly my thoughts.

Except the team that won their division led the league in rushing.
It's like a pendulum right? The rules encourage pass-happy game plans, so defenses stock up on 220 lb line backers and 210 pound safety's. Then, teams start taking advantage of all the pipsqueaks in the back seven by installing road grading formations with 2ble te's, H backs, full backs in the 240+ range.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting.


Why not? Nobody runs anymore (shhhhh).

This makes more sense than trying to make base personnel work in situations that call for nickel. On the flip side, this is why Kyle likes to use his fullback so much - to force teams to play that third LB.

It certainly does. And since Woods is gone, any thoughts on how the coverage schemes might look? How much has Saleh evolved in that area? How much influence will Woods' replacement have?

I'm sure you've seen me post about how players said that Woods was not heavily involved in scheme last season and was more involved with technique. Sherman was on video saying so. That makes me think it's Saleh that made the effort to diversify their coverages in 2019. I sure hope they continue with mixing up their single high vs two high looks and not go back to 2017/18 when they were playing so much single high.

No idea what kind of ideas the new DB coach Tony Odin will bring in. If he had a big hand in Darius Slay's development, does that mean the 49ers play more man compared to previous years? I think that's what DSlay is more known for.

Oh snap...how did I miss this? I just assumed Woods background in 2 deep was brought in to mesh with cover 3 because Kyle wanted the defense to expand/evolve...got too predictable. Thanks for that insight.

That's very encouraging then!

I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me to see more man. I know that's something we'd all like to see more of.

That'll have to be pick and choose with Sherman.

Here's the post to the video. It's from SB week. I think it's Maiocco that asked about what Woods brought to the defense.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/191914-joe-woods-passing-game-coordinator-browns/page25/#post364

Thanks thl...crazy I had the next post and still didn't catch that.
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