Former NY Jets HC Robert Saleh

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Also interesting is how much these teams used dime last year:

GB - 51%
LAR - 42%
NE - 41%
BAL - 41%
KC - 34%
DET - 34%

Is this that trend the article alluded to earlier of a shift to more and more extra DB's to combat the passing league?

Seems like it. I think the takeaway, league wise, is that some defenses are starting to use Dime in situations that normally call for nickel - 3rd & 7 so offense fields 3 WRs, normally a Nickel situation, defense skips Nickel and goes Dime. I don't think those defenses listed above are seeing the amount of 4WR sets as their Dime usage suggests. Three of the top Dime using teams have experienced DCs (Pettine, Wade Phillips, Hoodie)

Interesting that SF only uses Dime 1% of the time while playing ARI twice (ARI likes using 4WRs).

That was EXACTLY my thought. When you see Hoodie and his defensive protege tops on that list, my ears perked up.

GB kind of had a similar thing to us as having two great ER's so if you can count on pressure, why not add more DB's and make it extra hard for QB's?

I would imagine it gives a DC more coverage options too?

It can give a DC some more confidence blitzing with one more DB and one less LB on the field - better speed, better coverage. But if the offense is able to see it coming and isn't afraid to call a run then this can happen - one less LB on the field means less run defense.
This is Dime vs 11 personnel.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Also interesting is how much these teams used dime last year:

GB - 51%
LAR - 42%
NE - 41%
BAL - 41%
KC - 34%
DET - 34%

Is this that trend the article alluded to earlier of a shift to more and more extra DB's to combat the passing league?

Seems like it. I think the takeaway, league wise, is that some defenses are starting to use Dime in situations that normally call for nickel - 3rd & 7 so offense fields 3 WRs, normally a Nickel situation, defense skips Nickel and goes Dime. I don't think those defenses listed above are seeing the amount of 4WR sets as their Dime usage suggests. Three of the top Dime using teams have experienced DCs (Pettine, Wade Phillips, Hoodie)

Interesting that SF only uses Dime 1% of the time while playing ARI twice (ARI likes using 4WRs).

That was EXACTLY my thought. When you see Hoodie and his defensive protege tops on that list, my ears perked up.

GB kind of had a similar thing to us as having two great ER's so if you can count on pressure, why not add more DB's and make it extra hard for QB's?

I would imagine it gives a DC more coverage options too?

It can give a DC some more confidence blitzing with one more DB and one less LB on the field - better speed, better coverage. But if the offense is able to see it coming and isn't afraid to call a run then this can happen - one less LB on the field means less run defense.
This is Dime vs 11 personnel.

Valid point. It's hard to argue going away from what works too given we were the #2 defense. Loss of key depth certainly didn't help down the stretch.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Also interesting is how much these teams used dime last year:

GB - 51%
LAR - 42%
NE - 41%
BAL - 41%
KC - 34%
DET - 34%

Is this that trend the article alluded to earlier of a shift to more and more extra DB's to combat the passing league?

Seems like it. I think the takeaway, league wise, is that some defenses are starting to use Dime in situations that normally call for nickel - 3rd & 7 so offense fields 3 WRs, normally a Nickel situation, defense skips Nickel and goes Dime. I don't think those defenses listed above are seeing the amount of 4WR sets as their Dime usage suggests. Three of the top Dime using teams have experienced DCs (Pettine, Wade Phillips, Hoodie)

Interesting that SF only uses Dime 1% of the time while playing ARI twice (ARI likes using 4WRs).

That was EXACTLY my thought. When you see Hoodie and his defensive protege tops on that list, my ears perked up.

GB kind of had a similar thing to us as having two great ER's so if you can count on pressure, why not add more DB's and make it extra hard for QB's?

I would imagine it gives a DC more coverage options too?

It can give a DC some more confidence blitzing with one more DB and one less LB on the field - better speed, better coverage. But if the offense is able to see it coming and isn't afraid to call a run then this can happen - one less LB on the field means less run defense.
This is Dime vs 11 personnel.

LMAO peep Kittle's reaction at the bottom of the screen.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

The #Seahawks loved base defense, the #Packers loved dime. Let's look at some defensive personnel trends from 2019. https://t.co/fK9SfyCgo2

— Football Outsiders (@fboutsiders) July 22, 2020

Thanks for the link. Now I get why SEA liked their base defense so much, even using it to match up against 3 WRs - it was because their nickel package was terrible. I'll re-read the article, lots of numbers.

N/p. Looks like we're all base (28%) or nickel (70%)...dime is (1%).

This is why Ford needs to give us 2 of 3 snaps if he can.

Nice, It helps having a couple of those new age hybrid LBs that can go sideline to sideline and take away the underneath while not being a liability on draw & screen plays.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Also interesting is how much these teams used dime last year:

GB - 51%
LAR - 42%
NE - 41%
BAL - 41%
KC - 34%
DET - 34%

Is this that trend the article alluded to earlier of a shift to more and more extra DB's to combat the passing league?

I knew Pats would be up there. They love going into dime and throwing Chung up into the linebacker spot to deal with rbs and tight ends. They've then deployed Harmon (traded) and McCourty both of whom are excellent pass defenders to handle the safety spots. They love doing that defensive alignment. McCourty will also branch off into the slot and Harmon would take the centerfield. Their three safeties have helped their defense be unique.

I've read before that Belichick wanted to employ three safties more as a way to create balance against the run and pass on downs where the playcall isn't so obvious.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Also interesting is how much these teams used dime last year:

GB - 51%
LAR - 42%
NE - 41%
BAL - 41%
KC - 34%
DET - 34%

Is this that trend the article alluded to earlier of a shift to more and more extra DB's to combat the passing league?

I knew Pats would be up there. They love going into dime and throwing Chung up into the linebacker spot to deal with rbs and tight ends. They've then deployed Harmon (traded) and McCourty both of whom are excellent pass defenders to handle the safety spots. They love doing that defensive alignment. McCourty will also branch off into the slot and Harmon would take the centerfield. Their three safeties have helped their defense be unique.

I've read before that Belichick wanted to employ three safties more as a way to create balance against the run and pass on downs where the playcall isn't so obvious.

Thanks for that insight! It makes sense. I keep reminding people the past 2 years we gave up 1,800 yards and 4.5 ypc from both standard 5T to full time W9 and did it make a difference at all?

If you can get a good rush uo front, have a couple athletic LB's, build up the secondary with 3 coverage and interchangeable S's and CB's.

But then again, if you're dominant up front and #2 in defense and only ran dime 1% last year, should Saleh morph more towards big nickel or dime?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Also interesting is how much these teams used dime last year:

GB - 51%
LAR - 42%
NE - 41%
BAL - 41%
KC - 34%
DET - 34%

Is this that trend the article alluded to earlier of a shift to more and more extra DB's to combat the passing league?

I knew Pats would be up there. They love going into dime and throwing Chung up into the linebacker spot to deal with rbs and tight ends. They've then deployed Harmon (traded) and McCourty both of whom are excellent pass defenders to handle the safety spots. They love doing that defensive alignment. McCourty will also branch off into the slot and Harmon would take the centerfield. Their three safeties have helped their defense be unique.

I've read before that Belichick wanted to employ three safties more as a way to create balance against the run and pass on downs where the playcall isn't so obvious.

Thanks for that insight! It makes sense. I keep reminding people the past 2 years we gave up 1,800 yards and 4.5 ypc from both standard 5T to full time W9 and did it make a difference at all?

If you can get a good rush uo front, have a couple athletic LB's, build up the secondary with 3 coverage and interchangeable S's and CB's.

But then again, if you're dominant up front and #2 in defense and only ran dime 1% last year, should Saleh morph more towards big nickel or dime?

Yeah. The niners have kind of created what many teams strive for. The ability to create pressure by only rushing four then dropping seven into coverage. When you can do that, your always going to give an offense problems.

The pats operate often with a different mindset than most of the league. They love versatility but they really want backend players that can win in man coverage so they can creatively manufacture their pass rush.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Yeah. The niners have kind of created what many teams strive for. The ability to create pressure by only rushing four then dropping seven into coverage. When you can do that, your always going to give an offense problems.

The pats operate often with a different mindset than most of the league. They love versatility but they really want backend players that can win in man coverage so they can creatively manufacture their pass rush.

Totally agree!

Lets see what this man can do now with expectations set high to be a great defense.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Lets see what this man can do now with expectations set high to be a great defense.

For sure. Curious what kind of wrinkles or philisophical changes he makes this year.

When he gets a HC job after this season I hope they replace him with Dan Quinn once he gets canned in Atlanta

This one's for you NY85.

Referring to NY85 as David Lombardi is funny. Referring to David Lombardi as NY85 is LMAO.

Originally posted by thl408:

Referring to NY85 as David Lombardi is funny. Referring to David Lombardi as NY85 is LMAO.

David is probably like, "WTF? "