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Originally posted by captveg:Originally posted by socalniner:A disgruntled kicker seems like the last thing you want lol
Pay the man or let him walk
Oh no - a disgruntled kicker! Run for the hills - here comes a KICKER!
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:Originally posted by TheXFactor:Originally posted by Niners99:Originally posted by socalniner:A disgruntled kicker seems like the last thing you want lol
Pay the man or let him walk
The Bears slapped Gould in the face. Now they're desperate to get him back, and he wants to go back? Have a little dignity Robbie...
that's what I'm saying.
Never discount the idea of a huge paycheck and your family getting to move back to what they likely still consider home.
Originally posted by genus49:
Last I checked Bears still didn't cut Parkey. I'm sure Gould wants to go somewhere which is close to his heart and good for his family.
However he's been here for two years and certainly seems to get along with the guys in the locker room. I think if he's tagged there are no hard feelings and he does his job like the pro he is. The idea that he misses kicks on purpose is ridiculous. No pro would do that...certainly not a kicker. They make money on being reliable. Guys miss kicks from time to time...when you try to miss a kick on purpose it will not somehow improve your market value and you sure as s**t can't tell a team in free agency "i missed in on purpose"
Hopefully we sign him to a decent length deal so there are no possible ill feelings and he and his family have stability. Chicago is great..but maybe after the extreme cold they just went through perhaps they're ready for a warmer winter situation.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Dude wants to be a Bear, hard.
Read and weep
It sure sounds like #49ers K Robbie Gould wants to reunite with the #Bears. But there are some complicating factors. https://t.co/OqZ0LxjV45 pic.twitter.com/6GBJo8533Q
— Eric Branch (@Eric_Branch) February 19, 2019
Branch's quote on Chicago cap space does not agree with overthecap. Branch says $20M, overthecap says $7,299,741. I'll go with overthecap.
Bears way overpaid Allen Robinson and now it is biting them in the butt. They also have $22.3M tied up in Mack. Trey Burton gets $8.3M for his year of disappointment.
Yes, there are some major complicating factors.
It depends on what OTC is figuring ATM. The cap is projected to raise between $187M and $191.1M. They'll be fine like everyone. We're talking about a PK here not a FQB. Nobody goes in cap hell anymore.
How much do you think Bryce Callahan will get?
He's a slot CB. South of $9M. For reference, our own SCB is paid $2.95M.
He has played on the edge, although with Fuller and Amukamara already in place outside, he spent most of his time inside.
It is worth noting that all three Chicago CBs finished the season in a virtual tie for overall ranking, 7 thru 9. By comparison, K' Williams was ranked #59.
As you know, slot is becoming a more dangerous starting point in many offenses. Callahan not only covered very well but had great success rushing the passer from the slot. So while that is not a major component of a slot corner, it is worth noting only one other corner rushed the passer as much or with similar effectiveness (86.6 rating).
All of that adds up to a problem for Chicago if they want to resign him AND sign Gould AND any other 21 FAs they have this season, plus draft picks, etc.
Yeah, he's terrific. He should be at the top of the SCB market for sure. I'll guess $6-7M.
Yeah, they, like the Hawks, Jags, Rams, Cowboys, Philly, etc. have had to/will need to prioritize but there's a million ways to manipulate a rising cap now.
I don't want to drag this little dance out all day, but, yes, the cap can be manipulated. We've all seen that.
My point is the same as what Gould noted; it will take a lot of things to happen if he goes back to ChiTown.
As to Callahan, a $7M deal would put him outside the top 25 CB contracts in the league - Brent Grimes level deal - the #84 CB in the league. That would be an insult and he might just walk. They don't have room to franchise him. I'm guessing he gets $9M which is what Prince gets.
Even if it is "only" a $7M deal, that takes all of Chicago's current cap space until the start making moves. Will they add another $5M hit to that nut in order to sign Gould?
I'm doubtful.
Originally posted by 49erJay:
Gould knew he didn't wanna be a niner long term since he signed, the dude made 5M in 2 seasons over here. Played absolutely fantastic, theres no freaking way we don't offer him another contract after how he performed . How don't you move your family over to you when you've played that well and made that much money? Dude didn't even rent a condo! Living in a hotel is his choice IMO. Just can't imagine going back to a team that kicked my ass to the curb.
Originally posted by Niners99:
His family has lived there this whole time.
Jimmy G needs to tell him "We all miss Chicago, but were professionals and were in a great situation here. Suck it up."
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Dude wants to be a Bear, hard.
Read and weep
It sure sounds like #49ers K Robbie Gould wants to reunite with the #Bears. But there are some complicating factors. https://t.co/OqZ0LxjV45 pic.twitter.com/6GBJo8533Q
— Eric Branch (@Eric_Branch) February 19, 2019
Branch's quote on Chicago cap space does not agree with overthecap. Branch says $20M, overthecap says $7,299,741. I'll go with overthecap.
Bears way overpaid Allen Robinson and now it is biting them in the butt. They also have $22.3M tied up in Mack. Trey Burton gets $8.3M for his year of disappointment.
Yes, there are some major complicating factors.
It depends on what OTC is figuring ATM. The cap is projected to raise between $187M and $191.1M. They'll be fine like everyone. We're talking about a PK here not a FQB. Nobody goes in cap hell anymore.
How much do you think Bryce Callahan will get?
He's a slot CB. South of $9M. For reference, our own SCB is paid $2.95M.
He has played on the edge, although with Fuller and Amukamara already in place outside, he spent most of his time inside.
It is worth noting that all three Chicago CBs finished the season in a virtual tie for overall ranking, 7 thru 9. By comparison, K' Williams was ranked #59.
As you know, slot is becoming a more dangerous starting point in many offenses. Callahan not only covered very well but had great success rushing the passer from the slot. So while that is not a major component of a slot corner, it is worth noting only one other corner rushed the passer as much or with similar effectiveness (86.6 rating).
All of that adds up to a problem for Chicago if they want to resign him AND sign Gould AND any other 21 FAs they have this season, plus draft picks, etc.
Yeah, he's terrific. He should be at the top of the SCB market for sure. I'll guess $6-7M.
Yeah, they, like the Hawks, Jags, Rams, Cowboys, Philly, etc. have had to/will need to prioritize but there's a million ways to manipulate a rising cap now.
I don't want to drag this little dance out all day, but, yes, the cap can be manipulated. We've all seen that.
My point is the same as what Gould noted; it will take a lot of things to happen if he goes back to ChiTown.
As to Callahan, a $7M deal would put him outside the top 25 CB contracts in the league - Brent Grimes level deal - the #84 CB in the league. That would be an insult and he might just walk. They don't have room to franchise him. I'm guessing he gets $9M which is what Prince gets.
Even if it is "only" a $7M deal, that takes all of Chicago's current cap space until the start making moves. Will they add another $5M hit to that nut in order to sign Gould?
I'm doubtful.
How many in that $7-9M range are SCB's vs. outside 1,000 snap CB's?
But yes, to your overall point, agreed; they'd have to make some moves IF we even let him entertain FA. And if we do, I'm fairly certain, they'd make him a high priority given they'll have a young QB in year 2 of a new offensive system who's still developing and they may be relying on more FG's than the average team given how little they pass (maybe that expands more next year though).
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by ChazBoner:Dude wants to be a Bear, hard.
Read and weep
It sure sounds like #49ers K Robbie Gould wants to reunite with the #Bears. But there are some complicating factors. https://t.co/OqZ0LxjV45 pic.twitter.com/6GBJo8533Q
— Eric Branch (@Eric_Branch) February 19, 2019
Branch's quote on Chicago cap space does not agree with overthecap. Branch says $20M, overthecap says $7,299,741. I'll go with overthecap.
Bears way overpaid Allen Robinson and now it is biting them in the butt. They also have $22.3M tied up in Mack. Trey Burton gets $8.3M for his year of disappointment.
Yes, there are some major complicating factors.
It depends on what OTC is figuring ATM. The cap is projected to raise between $187M and $191.1M. They'll be fine like everyone. We're talking about a PK here not a FQB. Nobody goes in cap hell anymore.
How much do you think Bryce Callahan will get?
He's a slot CB. South of $9M. For reference, our own SCB is paid $2.95M.
He has played on the edge, although with Fuller and Amukamara already in place outside, he spent most of his time inside.
It is worth noting that all three Chicago CBs finished the season in a virtual tie for overall ranking, 7 thru 9. By comparison, K' Williams was ranked #59.
As you know, slot is becoming a more dangerous starting point in many offenses. Callahan not only covered very well but had great success rushing the passer from the slot. So while that is not a major component of a slot corner, it is worth noting only one other corner rushed the passer as much or with similar effectiveness (86.6 rating).
All of that adds up to a problem for Chicago if they want to resign him AND sign Gould AND any other 21 FAs they have this season, plus draft picks, etc.
Yeah, he's terrific. He should be at the top of the SCB market for sure. I'll guess $6-7M.
Yeah, they, like the Hawks, Jags, Rams, Cowboys, Philly, etc. have had to/will need to prioritize but there's a million ways to manipulate a rising cap now.
I don't want to drag this little dance out all day, but, yes, the cap can be manipulated. We've all seen that.
My point is the same as what Gould noted; it will take a lot of things to happen if he goes back to ChiTown.
As to Callahan, a $7M deal would put him outside the top 25 CB contracts in the league - Brent Grimes level deal - the #84 CB in the league. That would be an insult and he might just walk. They don't have room to franchise him. I'm guessing he gets $9M which is what Prince gets.
Even if it is "only" a $7M deal, that takes all of Chicago's current cap space until the start making moves. Will they add another $5M hit to that nut in order to sign Gould?
I'm doubtful.
How many in that $7-9M range are SCB's vs. outside 1,000 snap CB's?
But yes, to your overall point, agreed; they'd have to make some moves IF we even let him entertain FA. And if we do, I'm fairly certain, they'd make him a high priority given they'll have a young QB in year 2 of a new offensive system who's still developing and they may be relying on more FG's than the average team given how little they pass (maybe that expands more next year though).
Bears have two "must sign" guys; Callahan and starting safety Adrian Amos. We talked about Callahan. Now Amos:
Amos played almost 1,100 snaps and was the #8 ranked safety in the league. Eric Reid just signed a deal averaging $7,350,000/year and was the #53 ranked safety. Amos is two years younger than Reid and better. I'll be conservative and say he gets $8-9M/yr. based on what Reid just got.
Bears have big problems.
Easy out is to give Gould a 3 year, $13.5M deal with incentives that add to $15M. Done.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:So AB wants to come here but RG wants to go to Chicago..we need to get our priorities straight.
K > WR
Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm glad you're doing all this good research. You should put it in my Bears/Niners thread. Admittedly, I haven't looked into their own FA's or cap.
All I know is every year fans claim salary cap hell and in the end, it's moot. This will be no different.
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by NCommand:I'm glad you're doing all this good research. You should put it in my Bears/Niners thread. Admittedly, I haven't looked into their own FA's or cap.
All I know is every year fans claim salary cap hell and in the end, it's moot. This will be no different.
I'll get over there. Been pretty hit-and-miss with me the past few days. Lot going on. I may be logged on here but not always active.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:So AB wants to come here but RG wants to go to Chicago..we need to get our priorities straight.
K > WR
