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Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Right on Rath and it's funny his Montana won 2 of 4 of his SB's were without Rice Taylor Rathman Jones . There's no remembering when making an idiotic post that defies all logic and reason like those that prove only my point. Some people just try too hard and some people get restraining orders.

Anyways, Murray is missing easy throws just like every game. It's on tape, can't argue with facts. I would still rather have Murray than jimmy g so it's not about rival qbs. I give all qbs their props including mahomes rodgers and many more. I wish we had a wr half as good as Hopkins

Murray I think is pretty good.

His game mirrors Wilson a lot, and thus against top defenses he's not beating them over the top much.

We limited him well last year, and he didn't really go off on the 49ers this year. He does ok, but trust me, neither him nor Wilson frighten me like playing 2011 prime Brees.

My god, we needed everything in the world to go our way to win that game, got it, and still nearly lost.

That's the issue I have with Wilson and Murray, and even to an extent Mahomes. They work very well for this modern NFL, but prime 2007 Brady/2011 Brees/2013 Peyton Manning none of them are. Mobility is great but always robs you of having to earn it 100% the way the other guys have had to. Peewee to college, killing guys with your legs is hard to shake off.

It took Wilson several years to become a "real QB", and I figure it will take Murray some time too. Luckily for them, the league is making it easy for guys like them to succeed.

People act like these mobile talents never existed before. Randall Cunningham would have won a Super Bowl or two with the modern game.

Very true. As usual, I concur
Maybe I was wrong about this dude.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Maybe I was wrong about this dude.
Welp... I was wrong about the Cardinals. Thought they would be better.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Welp... I was wrong about the Cardinals. Thought they would be better.

They're good but our D is just majorly overachieving I do think a Murray is overrated and imagine if he didn't have Hopkins it would be a disaster. Still an 8-9 win team imo
The problem with Murray is I think this is his best. I do not see his game improving. He has his flashy plays here and there. I just dont see him taking it to the next level. Todays game was a must win for them, and it should have been a game that he won by himself. Ill tell you one thing, that pimple up north would have won it.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Welp... I was wrong about the Cardinals. Thought they would be better.

They're good but our D is just majorly overachieving I do think a Murray is overrated and imagine if he didn't have Hopkins it would be a disaster. Still an 8-9 win team imo

I know Murray isn't playing well but what I overrated was their running game. I don't think their offensive line is good enough probably the worst in the division now.

Losing Chandler Jones was huge and I didn't think they would have got nearly nothing out of their first pick.

We will be the better team next year but I really thought the Cardinals could/should win the division this season.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
I know Murray isn't playing well but what I overrated was their running game. I don't think their offensive line is good enough probably the worst in the division now.

Losing Chandler Jones was huge and I didn't think they would have got nearly nothing out of their first pick.

We will be the better team next year but I really thought the Cardinals could/should win the division this season.

Steve Keim is such a fantastic GM. I think they really ought to lock him down long LONG term. I hope he never gets fired, he deserves that job for life.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Welp... I was wrong about the Cardinals. Thought they would be better.

They're good but our D is just majorly overachieving I do think a Murray is overrated and imagine if he didn't have Hopkins it would be a disaster. Still an 8-9 win team imo

I know Murray isn't playing well but what I overrated was their running game. I don't think their offensive line is good enough probably the worst in the division now.

Losing Chandler Jones was huge and I didn't think they would have got nearly nothing out of their first pick.

We will be the better team next year but I really thought the Cardinals could/should win the division this season.

I see your point. I just think the cards have a bad secondary (even though baker is good and Patrick Peterson is still solid), a bad OL, an average running game, no TE and an inconsistent qb accuracy wise. Not nearly enough to win the division but certainly enough to match up with the rams and hawks but not a somewhat healthy niners team.
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Kliff has managed to turn an NFL franchise into a mediocre Big 12 team.
Does this tool ever punt the ball? Going for it on 4th finally cost him in the end
[ Edited by ninerfan4life on Dec 27, 2020 at 6:54 AM ]
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Why is Budda Baker good? Versus the 49ers it seems like he's always getting juked or stiff armed. On the Jeff Wilson TD catch it looked like he just quit on the play.
Originally posted by thl408:
Why is Budda Baker good? Versus the 49ers it seems like he's always getting juked or stiff armed. On the Jeff Wilson TD catch it looked like he just quit on the play.

I don't know why he struggles against the 49ers, but I've seen him turn into Earl Thomas-lite against other teams. The dude flies around the field, makes plays on the ball, and cracks skulls. He KO'd 3 Seahawks last year in a single game.

I remember seeing this play live, and thinking to myself, "When was the last time one of our safeties flew down the alley and made a TFL on one of these SEA crack-toss sweeps?"

[ Edited by Heroism on Dec 28, 2020 at 12:14 PM ]
Did the Niners completely derail the Cards' season?
I have never been impressed with Kyler Murray. He's a shorter, poor man's Russell Wilson with a Kaepernick level wind up but half the arm.
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