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Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Originally posted by dj43:
It goes all the way back to the family level. Kids born into single parent homes where little value is placed on education have little chance to succeed in the world. When a mother and father commit to being married and staying/working together to create a stable environment to raise children we will see a substantial decrease in crime. Until that happens things are not going to get appreciably better.

While I don't fully support a privately owned prison system, the state is not to blame for adults who refuse to act like adults. That is only blaming the symptom without looking at the root cause.

Understoond but
When they are too busy cashing in and not rehabilitating I do find an issue with it.

I want to enjoy my bbq with my family in peace like the next man.

We are cashing in on killers, not rehabilitating them then the ones who dont commit suicide get released in 20 years a commit another murder.

Stop viewing them as checks and start trying, because these killers are being released every day back into society.

I rather them to try then releasing them in 20 years and doing the same s**t over.

Just because these kids come from single parent homes, doesnt mean the state or private companies need to prey on them.. What does that do to the public in 20 years if he is not killed when they are released?

The problem isn't with killers being released that is lowering the prison population. It is non-violent drug users that are being released that is lowering the population.

Yes, I agree we need to try to do a better job rehabilitating all prison inmates. The problem with that is that by the time violent offenders wind up in prison, they are hard-wired into their life of crime and not at all interested in anything else. Particularly among hard-core gangs, serving time is considered a badge of honor.

Once in a while we hear of one of those who takes advantage of what is offered in the way of rehab, but they are the exception.

If we are looking at someone/something to blame, let's look at our public education system which preaches that everyone should be on a college path. Among the elites that run our ed system, blue collar workers like auto mechanics, plumbers, electricians, equipment operators, and the like, are looked down on a "low education rednecks." This is crazy.

The truth is, the aptitudes of many kids does not fit with a college curriculum. Their natural aptitude is to do and fix things with their hands. When a computer programmer needs his car fixed he can't pass it off to the guy in the adjoining cubicle. He needs someone outside the building with an aptitude to do those repairs. Unfortunately, the "geniuses" that run our ed system have done away with much of the valuable vocational education programs that used to be offered in school. In their ivory tower minds, they view every kid that doesn't seem interested in college to need "special education" instead of an alternative study field that does suit their aptitude. The result is we spend millions of dollars trying to teach math to a kid who would be very good at a trade job. Or worse yet, we deem them to be autistic or ADHD and put them on drugs to make the manageable in the classroom. In my wife's middle class public school, 20% of kids were on some prescription drug that was required to be on record with the school and a backup supply was kept in the nurse's office. In most cases, the issue was a parenting issue, not a kid issue.

Sorry for the long side track, but the problem starts long before prison.
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Same people making fun of Hernandez death could care less about Odin Loyd, so why even comment on it?

Why even try to judge him?

I don't know Hernandez or Loyd, this is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. These were human lives not some movie theater role play thing...

SMH this is what humanity has come to, making fun of dead people while sitting behind a keyboard?

You're so lost, dude.

Why, because I don't see the humor in a mans death?
The guy was a murderer who killed an innocent man. He deserved to die, he is a piece of crap and the world is a better, safer place with him gone. It isn't like the Pope just died, but I guess you missed that point.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
His suicide voids his guilt as case is on appeal, he died an "innocent" man

And no evidence in original trial can be used in civil trial for wrongful death

Very interesting and does provide some insight into why Hernandez might want to kill himself at this time. I was skeptical when I heard the news thinking that it made no sense for suicide given the recent acquittal.


Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
How about this for a crazy turn of events......

In Massachusetts, there is a loophole in the judicial system that says if a person dies in prison and has not exhausted all their legal appeals, their case reverts back to the status at the beginning. So basically his convictions will be wiped clean.

If his record is wiped clean, he technically never violated the terms of his NFL contract, which in turn might mean the Patriots would have to pay his family the remainder of what was owed on the contract he signed.

Crazy.

Yes and Yes.

There was plenty of motive to commit suicide. Him committing suicide very well could have earned money for his daughter.

But nah, its the prison industrial complex that framed Hernandez because he was going to speak out against the Illuminati
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Why, because I don't see the humor in a mans death?

There are people making jokes about Todd Heap accidentally killing his daughter. But a joke about Hernandez gets you butt hurt? lol

Odd priorities to complain about the WZ's mentality.
Prison is a cold world...

1. He was framed.... (can happen, government and/or correction authorities play dirty)

2. He really killed himself, (He was depressed and couldn't take it anymore, which I call BS on, due to the fact Baez just beat the double homicide for him, and told him there going to be working on appeal for 1st case)

3. An inmate killed him. (possible but not to likey IMO)

I go with #1. He just beat a double murder. They feared him a appealing and winning...they didnt want that man to see the light again...

If you guys think this type of stuff don't happen, think again, the gov..are filthy/disgusting, just like aaron hernandez actions
[ Edited by FrozeReactionZ on Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 AM ]
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Originally posted by dj43:
It goes all the way back to the family level. Kids born into single parent homes where little value is placed on education have little chance to succeed in the world. When a mother and father commit to being married and staying/working together to create a stable environment to raise children we will see a substantial decrease in crime. Until that happens things are not going to get appreciably better.

While I don't fully support a privately owned prison system, the state is not to blame for adults who refuse to act like adults. That is only blaming the symptom without looking at the root cause.

Understoond but
When they are too busy cashing in and not rehabilitating I do find an issue with it.

I want to enjoy my bbq with my family in peace like the next man.

We are cashing in on killers, not rehabilitating them then the ones who dont commit suicide get released in 20 years a commit another murder.

Stop viewing them as checks and start trying, because these killers are being released every day back into society.

I rather them to try then releasing them in 20 years and doing the same s**t over.

Just because these kids come from single parent homes, doesnt mean the state or private companies need to prey on them.. What does that do to the public in 20 years if he is not killed when they are released?

The problem isn't with killers being released that is lowering the prison population. It is non-violent drug users that are being released that is lowering the population.

Yes, I agree we need to try to do a better job rehabilitating all prison inmates. The problem with that is that by the time violent offenders wind up in prison, they are hard-wired into their life of crime and not at all interested in anything else. Particularly among hard-core gangs, serving time is considered a badge of honor.

Once in a while we hear of one of those who takes advantage of what is offered in the way of rehab, but they are the exception.

If we are looking at someone/something to blame, let's look at our public education system which preaches that everyone should be on a college path. Among the elites that run our ed system, blue collar workers like auto mechanics, plumbers, electricians, equipment operators, and the like, are looked down on a "low education rednecks." This is crazy.

The truth is, the aptitudes of many kids does not fit with a college curriculum. Their natural aptitude is to do and fix things with their hands. When a computer programmer needs his car fixed he can't pass it off to the guy in the adjoining cubicle. He needs someone outside the building with an aptitude to do those repairs. Unfortunately, the "geniuses" that run our ed system have done away with much of the valuable vocational education programs that used to be offered in school. In their ivory tower minds, they view every kid that doesn't seem interested in college to need "special education" instead of an alternative study field that does suit their aptitude. The result is we spend millions of dollars trying to teach math to a kid who would be very good at a trade job. Or worse yet, we deem them to be autistic or ADHD and put them on drugs to make the manageable in the classroom. In my wife's middle class public school, 20% of kids were on some prescription drug that was required to be on record with the school and a backup supply was kept in the nurse's office. In most cases, the issue was a parenting issue, not a kid issue.

Sorry for the long side track, but the problem starts long before prison.

Education is #1 I agree but what happens when we spend more money on prisons than schools?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/07/the-states-that-spend-more-money-on-prisoners-than-college-students/

"The states that spend more money on prisoners than college students"

Is this the parents fault? Going to school is like having your first mortgage.

They dont want you smart.. They want you dumb so they can make money off of you. They dont care. These single parents need help.
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 AM ]
We are investing more into prisons than education.

Who is profiting from that? Surely it's not the masses..

"America has more prisons than schools"

http://csglobe.com/america-prisons-schools/
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Apr 19, 2017 at 11:08 AM ]
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
"It's my view that the Commonwealth was seduced by his celebrity," said defense attorney Ronald S. Sullivan Jr., part of the team that represented Hernandez in his latest trial. "Instead of doing the hard work of uncovering evidence, they went for the celebrity conviction. In the second trial, the jury held him to the standard that all citizens should be held to."

It's not surprising that the winning side would lavish praise on the jury. But in the wake of the trial, there seems to be widespread agreement that the case against Hernandez was weak. It came down to the word of one very wobbly star witness, Alexander Bradley, whose self-serving and inconsistent testimony wasn't nearly enough to win a murder conviction."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/16/hernandez-seemed-serene/DybcXInJ1jxNfHszSWMOpN/amp.html

The case they had against him was weak... Plenty of motivation to live for.. They wanted him and they got him..

Didnt even have a solid case..

The case for the double murder was weak, not for the Lloyd murder.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
"It's my view that the Commonwealth was seduced by his celebrity," said defense attorney Ronald S. Sullivan Jr., part of the team that represented Hernandez in his latest trial. "Instead of doing the hard work of uncovering evidence, they went for the celebrity conviction. In the second trial, the jury held him to the standard that all citizens should be held to."

It's not surprising that the winning side would lavish praise on the jury. But in the wake of the trial, there seems to be widespread agreement that the case against Hernandez was weak. It came down to the word of one very wobbly star witness, Alexander Bradley, whose self-serving and inconsistent testimony wasn't nearly enough to win a murder conviction."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/16/hernandez-seemed-serene/DybcXInJ1jxNfHszSWMOpN/amp.html

The case they had against him was weak... Plenty of motivation to live for.. They wanted him and they got him..

Didnt even have a solid case..

The case for the double murder was weak, not for the Lloyd murder.

+1


But Like FrozenReactionZ just said and Phoenix49er he just beat a double murder, it doesnt make sense to kill yourself though? Its just fishy to me. He had reason for optimism.
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Apr 19, 2017 at 11:22 AM ]
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
+1

But Like FrozenReaction just said and Phoenix49er he just beat a double murder, it doesnt make sense to kill yourself though? Its just fishy to me. He had reason for optimism.

I felt the same way when I heard the news this morning. If the stuff people are saying is true about the loopholes that will allow his family to not have to lose anymore of his money now that he is dead, then a suicide does make a lot of sense.
[ Edited by a49erfan77 on Apr 19, 2017 at 11:23 AM ]
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
+1

But Like FrozenReaction just said and Phoenix49er he just beat a double murder, it doesnt make sense to kill yourself though? Its just fishy to me. He had reason for optimism.

I felt the same way when I heard the news this morning. If the stuff people are saying is true about the loopholes that will allow his family to not have to lose anymore of his money now that he is dead, then a suicide does make a lot of sense.

True
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Same people making fun of Hernandez death could care less about Odin Loyd, so why even comment on it?

Why even try to judge him?

I don't know Hernandez or Loyd, this is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. These were human lives not some movie theater role play thing...

SMH this is what humanity has come to, making fun of dead people while sitting behind a keyboard?

You're so lost, dude.

Why, because I don't see the humor in a mans death?
The guy was a murderer who killed an innocent man. He deserved to die, he is a piece of crap and the world is a better, safer place with him gone. It isn't like the Pope just died, but I guess you missed that point.

Does any of that make him any less human?
In some European nations they actually rehabilitate killers. They may do about ten years in a facility that seems rather comfortable compared to American prisons.

The inmates go through counciling, education programs, job training etc. They also try to teach or show people what sort of impact their actions had on victims families and society at large.

It's REAL easy to hate a guy like Hernandez but a part of me thinks some of these people are salvageable. Perhaps not Hernandez himself seeing he had the whole world at his fingertips and still killed people but I feel there may be a lot of "criminals", even killers that may be worth the effort.

Look at Sweeden. It's night and day compared to America. What's the difference? We're all people. What makes Sweeden able to generate such low murder and recidivism rates?

One thing, I'm sure Sweeden doesn't have the same street level culture of violence that we have in the US. We have major cities with murder rates higher than Iraq war death counts. (Per capita and outright)

Hernandez seemed to be up to his neck in this street culture. This tough guy thug culture. I'm willing to bet this culture generates at least 65% of this nations murders, if not more. I know it generates more than 75% of this nations gun violence. (Not including suicide)

At what point do we as a nation do something about this culture? And I don't mean locking more people up in animal factories.

This should be priority number one in America. Also, I don't think banning guns is the answer. People can kill others with just about anything. We need to address the root cause, the desire to kill. The culture generating this mindset.

On the other end, if some person killed my mother, son, wife etc I'm not sure if I'd be happy about a "soft" sentence or punishment. Should we punish people or should we rehabilitate people? I guess that's the first obstacle to overcome.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Does any of that make him any less human?

Yes. You take a life you aren't equal, hence why you lose the right to freedom.....
[ Edited by SunDevilNiner79 on Apr 19, 2017 at 11:26 AM ]
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