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Aug 18, 2019 at 3:13 PM

zonkers
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Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Solly snatched Garrett Bolle's soul on this one.

Nice pass rush move. Koucerek is coaching these boys up.

He doesn't look half bad at edge rusher in that clip.

He's obviously practicing the wrong position again . . .

IIRC what he does in the clip is what he's always been capable of since Stanford. IMO the main issues have been that he stops after getting a step on the OT and has trouble switching back to the OT's inside shoulder. The latter might've had to do with his responsibilities. The former was probably not having a consistent plan of attack (mental + physical).

[ Edited by zonkers on Aug 18, 2019 at 3:14 PM ]

Aug 18, 2019 at 3:50 PM

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LVJay
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Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by thl408:
An edge rush rep? I thought Solly at edge wasn't a thing anymore.

Naw he's been 2nd string edge all camp.

That's not bad this time around since he has improved...that's good depth.

Aug 18, 2019 at 6:24 PM

#15153

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Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by thl408:
An edge rush rep? I thought Solly at edge wasn't a thing anymore.

Naw he's been 2nd string edge all camp.

Interesting. I wonder what his weight is.

Aug 18, 2019 at 6:35 PM

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Not sure why people are making it sound like there hasn't been a peep about Solomon in camp. Have people not been reading? There are plenty of reports out there about what he's been doing in camp. I read every one of the recaps and I've heard multiple mentions about him getting sacks or pressures. Even in this thread you'll find the tweets about him logging a safety and another report that even McGlinchey was struggling to block him from the edge, of all places.

The positive news is there, but I think folks need to take the blinders off and stop choosing not to see it. Allow yourself some hope and happiness, guys, it's okay.

I read pretty much all the headlines and articles on the home page, so not sure how I missed all these mentions of Solly you speak of. Glad to hear it.

Aug 18, 2019 at 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Interesting. I wonder what his weight is.

Solomon Thomas just told me that he tried to drop weight last season after opening at a career-high 280 pounds. Thomas says that he feels best playing at 270 pounds so that he can bring unusual quickness against guards in the 3-tech position.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) May 21, 2019

Aug 18, 2019 at 7:30 PM

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Giedi
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Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Solly snatched Garrett Bolle's soul on this one.

Nice pass rush move. Koucerek is coaching these boys up.

He doesn't look half bad at edge rusher in that clip.

He's obviously practicing the wrong position again . . .

IIRC what he does in the clip is what he's always been capable of since Stanford. IMO the main issues have been that he stops after getting a step on the OT and has trouble switching back to the OT's inside shoulder. The latter might've had to do with his responsibilities. The former was probably not having a consistent plan of attack (mental + physical).

The wide 9 suites DT types that are quick and explosive and play at the edge position. That's another reason the wide 9 is implemented - I think - is because we are deep at the DT's and not so much at the rush ends. If you have all DT's along the four man line, the wide 9 will help with the pass rush, and strong DT's can overpower the OT's if they're trapped or doubled and squeeze the run gaps between the Outer DLineman and the Inner D Lineman to clog the run lanes. At least that's how I think about it.

Aug 19, 2019 at 9:24 AM

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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Beautiful. Clubbed those hands and swam over.

Random thought but when drafted, many were hoping Solly could be a quick beast interior rusher like Donald but clearly lacks a lot there . Nick Bosa studies Aaron Donald's game. Maybe he could teach solly some a those moves lol

How can you make that claim considering Thomas has gotten very limited playing time inside?

And I'd say considering Thomas actually worked out with Donald this offseason he's studying his game as well...

Aug 19, 2019 at 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Beautiful. Clubbed those hands and swam over.

Random thought but when drafted, many were hoping Solly could be a quick beast interior rusher like Donald but clearly lacks a lot there . Nick Bosa studies Aaron Donald's game. Maybe he could teach solly some a those moves lol

How can you make that claim considering Thomas has gotten very limited playing time inside?

And I'd say considering Thomas actually worked out with Donald this offseason he's studying his game as well...

Anyone know how many snaps he had inside? Because I thought he started inside for the last quarter of the season but I could be wrong.

Aug 19, 2019 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Beautiful. Clubbed those hands and swam over.

Random thought but when drafted, many were hoping Solly could be a quick beast interior rusher like Donald but clearly lacks a lot there . Nick Bosa studies Aaron Donald's game. Maybe he could teach solly some a those moves lol

How can you make that claim considering Thomas has gotten very limited playing time inside?

And I'd say considering Thomas actually worked out with Donald this offseason he's studying his game as well...

Anyone know how many snaps he had inside? Because I thought he started inside for the last quarter of the season but I could be wrong.

PM JonnyDel. He did a great video breakdown. The bottom line is, he didn't have many "pure" inside at all. When he did, he was effective both against the run and pass BUT the way Saleh was using him was on predictable downs, facing two and playing a spy role. So the amount of real film on him to assess is pretty limited. Throw in the fact he wasn't allowed to just grow at a position he was best suited for, it's even more convoluted. Short answer --- we still don't know a thing about our #3 pick.

Aug 19, 2019 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Beautiful. Clubbed those hands and swam over.

Random thought but when drafted, many were hoping Solly could be a quick beast interior rusher like Donald but clearly lacks a lot there . Nick Bosa studies Aaron Donald's game. Maybe he could teach solly some a those moves lol

How can you make that claim considering Thomas has gotten very limited playing time inside?

And I'd say considering Thomas actually worked out with Donald this offseason he's studying his game as well...

Anyone know how many snaps he had inside? Because I thought he started inside for the last quarter of the season but I could be wrong.

I didn't keep my numbers but I went back and broke down how many snaps he got per game outside vs inside for a bunch of games and most of the year the ratios were absurdly towards the outside, something like 15 to 1 outside vs inside.

He definitely got a lot more inside snaps towards the tail end of the season which is also when he started showing up more in the games but I don't think it ever swung completely the other way but I'm not 100% on that so I could be wrong.

Aug 19, 2019 at 12:08 PM

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ST is definitely going to light it up this season. He'll see lots of single OL coverage and, IMO must start winning those match-ups.

The only reason to keep him over AA is the rookie contract.

Aug 19, 2019 at 1:23 PM

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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Beautiful. Clubbed those hands and swam over.

Random thought but when drafted, many were hoping Solly could be a quick beast interior rusher like Donald but clearly lacks a lot there . Nick Bosa studies Aaron Donald's game. Maybe he could teach solly some a those moves lol

How can you make that claim considering Thomas has gotten very limited playing time inside?

And I'd say considering Thomas actually worked out with Donald this offseason he's studying his game as well...

I can make that claim because if he was a quick beast interior rusher like donald, he'd still make some noise at edge. When Donald moves to the edge, he still does work.

Aug 19, 2019 at 1:26 PM

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GhostOfBaalke
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Originally posted by NCommand:
PM JonnyDel. He did a great video breakdown. The bottom line is, he didn't have many "pure" inside at all. When he did, he was effective both against the run and pass BUT the way Saleh was using him was on predictable downs, facing two and playing a spy role. So the amount of real film on him to assess is pretty limited. Throw in the fact he wasn't allowed to just grow at a position he was best suited for, it's even more convoluted. Short answer --- we still don't know a thing about our #3 pick.

Nor was saleh trying to be creative with Sollys speed. I watched the 2016 Stanford vs notre game day yesterday and zeroed in on solly. They had him pulling all sorts of stunts, creating a little space between him and interior linemen to take advantage of the speed difference.

Argument could be that he just didn't look good in camp(because of what he went through) so he was far back on the depth chart for interior rushers.

Aug 19, 2019 at 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Beautiful. Clubbed those hands and swam over.

Random thought but when drafted, many were hoping Solly could be a quick beast interior rusher like Donald but clearly lacks a lot there . Nick Bosa studies Aaron Donald's game. Maybe he could teach solly some a those moves lol

How can you make that claim considering Thomas has gotten very limited playing time inside?

And I'd say considering Thomas actually worked out with Donald this offseason he's studying his game as well...

I can make that claim because if he was a quick beast interior rusher like donald, he'd still make some noise at edge. When Donald moves to the edge, he still does work.

How often was Donald played at edge his first two years? He have to deal with the chit that Thomas had to deal with mentally?

That goes a long way to impacting player performance. Athletically Thomas is at least in the ballpark. Tho a comparison to Donald for any player is unfair. That guy is on another level.

Aug 19, 2019 at 5:37 PM

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Solly looks completely reborn . Getting pressure at all positions so far . Looking electric out there. Disengaging linemen rather easy. Had a move that reminded me of aldon smith too.