Solomon Thomas, DT

A nice back up so far with a great personality .

Originally posted by Heroism:

As you uncovered with your great Twitter research and based on what we saw in the preseason, I think they want the knife-iest guy at nose. They really want that 2i penetrating like a mad man.

Day is best at that. Jones is not bad. Taylor is by far the worst out of the 3 in that role.

Thank you. 100% and I'm cool with that. Day has been at 2i literally, since Kocurek arrived. The guy went from being inactive late last year to having a prominent role just based on scheme fit alone.

People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
In the entire first round of the 2017 draft there are 4 players not listed as a starter on a team.
Solomon Thomas
Taco Charlton
Adoree Jackson
Rueben Foster (injured)

Embarrassing

Get your shots in while you still can. Thomas is going to make starting player impact this season.

How many of those first rounders were played out of position that made them first round picks and surrounded by first rounders?

Thomas may not be worth #3 overall but he'll be making plays this year on this defense. It's pathetic how many 49er "fans" run in this thread to try to sh*t on the kid.

Actually, it was a shot at Lynch but whatever.

So, who gets to decide who's a "true" fan?

I'm a 49ers fan, not a Solomon Thomas fan. I guess you're too emotionally invested in the guy to accept that any criticism faced by him is well-deserved.

Pretty embarrassing for lynch, even if Thomas turns into a good player. Just not a need.

I think thomas will be ok. But I hate the idea that mahomes fans only happened after the fact. I listened to at least 10 podcasts/interviews of scouts and local media who thought mahomes would be the next favre. I can see why Kyle might think that he wouldn't be a system fit but to me, if you're taking a controversial pick anyways (tweener) might as well take the guy who might be favre

That's what we call hindsight.

Let's rewind to the 2017 draft.

49ers are coming off a 2-14 season with the worst defense in the league. Worst by far at stopping the run. Like historically bad...

That performance was made with Buckner playing all year long and Armstead playing half of it.

You''re telling me a guy who put up elite numbers at the combine and was rated by most as a top 5 draft pick wasn't a need after the guys we had played that poorly?

As far as controversial picks Thomas was NOT a controversial pick. Almost every mock had him listed as a top 5 pick with the bulk of mocks having him go to us with Garrett being a slam dunk pick to Cleveland.

All of the other guys outside of Garrett had question marks. Thomas was actually one of the safest picks by all accounts along with Jamal Adams but how often do you see a safety go top 2/3? Not to mention our safety depth was MUCH better than DL at the time.

Sure now our DL looks stacked and Thomas seems redundant and without a spot but at the time we had one guy you could build around on a DL which plays 4 guys. The move at the time made all the sense in teh world...it just didn't workout.

And you may have had some people calling Mahomes Favre due to the arm but how many people had him listed as a top 3 pick? Let's not go back and pretend we simply took Thomas because he took a class with Lynch. It's such a lazy post.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

Thomas was still a rookie who missed valuable camp time and then was asked to switch from his natural position as a rookie and he still looked WAY better than he did last year. More tackles, more sacks, more TFL, more QB hits across the board in less games as a rookie.

Unfortunately we'll never know how he would've looked last year if his sister didn't kill herself. I just hope this year is a revival for him...we need him to do that.

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He did "flash" even though he was played out of position. Just be honest and say he didn't flash ENOUGH.

This is my issue with people. If you want to give legit criticism on a player then go for it but don't make blanket statements which aren't accurate.

Originally posted by genus49:
My post was a reply to you but it was directed at countless people who seem to prefer being right over the 49ers being better.

I think they're just choosing to express their opinions without worrying whether or not 49erswebzone opinions will degrade the product we see on the field. Everyone turning into cheerleaders here won't suddenly boost anyone's performance,...so we can kinda sit back and be real about what we really think.

Thankfully Lynch gave us talent where we don't have to root for this guy. If he succeeds it's nice but with Ford, Bosa, Buckner there's better talent to get behind.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

He was the #3 overall pick. He should AT LEAST look decent at ANY position along the DL. He's not some 3rd round developmental flyer like Tarvarius Moore.

I don't care if you put Von Miller at NT -- he would still flash from time to time. People need to stop hiding behind the BS "...b...bu...but everything needs to be perfect for him!" mentality.

He was the #3 overall pick. He needs to be elite. Not good. Not solid. Elite.

Originally posted by Stanley:
He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

I don't think that's his problem. His athletic profile and measurements are nearly identical to Bosa's. The problem lies in technique, skill, and comfort. Solly is lost and uncomfortable at edge.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bosa is bigger than Solly at the moment. Solomon said he went back down to 270 because that's where he feels most comfortable. I wouldn't be surprised if Nick, like his big brother, plays around 280.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

He was the #3 overall pick. He should AT LEAST look decent at ANY position along the DL. He's not some 3rd round developmental flyer like Tarvarius Moore.

I don't care if you put Von Miller at NT -- he would still flash from time to time. People need to stop hiding behind the BS "...b...bu...but everything needs to be perfect for him!" mentality.

He was the #3 overall pick. He needs to be elite. Not good. Not solid. Elite.

This type of hyperbole BS makes it really hard to talk to some of you on here.

Von Miller is made for the edge. Him playing NT as a rookie would get him killed and certainly would not give the desired results for the position..which is to hold up blocks and try to get push if possible and really let the other guys shine. Miller's game is about pressure, penetration - it is definitely not what you want out of a NT as far as the team plan.

And once again Thomas did flash as a rookie, it just wasn't enough for everyone and that's understandable but this idea that every other player can play anywhere and "flash" is horse sh*t, especially that example.

Clearly Thomas doesn't have the bend to be successful on the edge and you add critical time missed in camps and it will hurt a player. Was Thomas an elite prospect? No but you draft who you can given the year.

That 2017 draft after Garrett didn't have elite prospects. Jamal Adams was solid but he's a strong safety. We already had Tartt, Reid, Ward on the roster. Drafting a SS #2/#3 overall when your defense as historically bad at stopping the run the year prior would be an awful decision.

Thomas was the best DLman on the board. End of story.

Originally posted by genus49:
This type of hyperbole BS makes it really hard to talk to some of you on here.

Von Miller is made for the edge. Him playing NT as a rookie would get him killed and certainly would not give the desired results for the position..which is to hold up blocks and try to get push if possible and really let the other guys shine. Miller's game is about pressure, penetration - it is definitely not what you want out of a NT as far as the team plan.

And once again Thomas did flash as a rookie, it just wasn't enough for everyone and that's understandable but this idea that every other player can play anywhere and "flash" is horse sh*t, especially that example.

Clearly Thomas doesn't have the bend to be successful on the edge and you add critical time missed in camps and it will hurt a player. Was Thomas an elite prospect? No but you draft who you can given the year.

That 2017 draft after Garrett didn't have elite prospects. Jamal Adams was solid but he's a strong safety. We already had Tartt, Reid, Ward on the roster. Drafting a SS #2/#3 overall when your defense as historically bad at stopping the run the year prior would be an awful decision.

Thomas was the best DLman on the board. End of story.

Good points. Not only can you not draft what isn't there but you can't sign every free agent if he doesn't want to play here. Looking back and saying we coulda or shoulda is easy but the GM doesn't have that advantage.