Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

Can you explain to me why he couldn't play at his actual position? I mean, with his incredible talent he for sure should have beat out a bunch of journeymen/ low round picks.

If Solomon was actually killing it at his "actual" position he would have played there. Or maybe not. I mean, when you have legends like Earl Mitchell playing, you know it's going to be a tough competition .

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

Can you explain to me why he couldn't play at his actual position? I mean, with his incredible talent he for sure should have beat out a bunch of journeymen/ low round picks.

If Solomon was actually killing it at his "actual" position he would have played there. Or maybe not. I mean, when you have legends like Earl Mitchell playing, you know it's going to be a tough competition .

Solly fits more at Buckner's position than Earl Mitchell's.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
People act like Solomon wasn't bad before the tragedy.

No I think they act like he was a rookie and probably worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Now his mind is right, his body is right, he has a dream scenario where he is the 4th most important player to block (Ford/Bosa/Bucker), it is time to put up. He is set up for success. He should be able to relax and do his job. Same goes for AA.

A 3rd overall pick should at least flash his rookie season. He couldn't even do that.

He obviously doesn't have the body or athleticism to play on the edge. Still hard to judge him as an interior linemen, you know, his actual position.

Can you explain to me why he couldn't play at his actual position? I mean, with his incredible talent he for sure should have beat out a bunch of journeymen/ low round picks.

If Solomon was actually killing it at his "actual" position he would have played there. Or maybe not. I mean, when you have legends like Earl Mitchell playing, you know it's going to be a tough competition .

It's pretty obvious he was being played outside because we didn't have anyone worth playing at DE, unfortunately despite his great athletic ability he simply isn't made to play there at a high level unless you're just looking for a run stopper.

You're trying to make a point but showing your bias and ignorance about DL play at the same time.

What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

This I can agree with. Despite what genus may think, I don't have anything against ST. I'm a fan of the Niners, not any specific playee.

Like I've said before, I WANT him to succeed because that means the team is succeeding, but until he does, I'll continue to question the pick.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

Agree

IMO, he'll be most effective doing it from the inside.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

Well said. People stuck judging the guy who dealt with some serious sh*t in his career. I care about what he's going to do this year. Everything is setup for him to have success now. If he fails to play well this year then it's over.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

This I can agree with. Despite what genus may think, I don't have anything against ST. I'm a fan of the Niners, not any specific playee.

Like I've said before, I WANT him to succeed because that means the team is succeeding, but until he does, I'll continue to question the pick.

And what I'm saying is...wait and see what he actually does this year?

I don't get why people are so eager to come in here and talk sh*t about the guy when we know what's gone on in his life and career so far...we're all on the same page that this season he has to show he can play or it's over for him.

So let's wait and see what he actually does first?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

This I can agree with. Despite what genus may think, I don't have anything against ST. I'm a fan of the Niners, not any specific playee.

Like I've said before, I WANT him to succeed because that means the team is succeeding, but until he does, I'll continue to question the pick.

And what I'm saying is...wait and see what he actually does this year?

I don't get why people are so eager to come in here and talk sh*t about the guy when we know what's gone on in his life and career so far...we're all on the same page that this season he has to show he can play or it's over for him.

So let's wait and see what he actually does first?

Because it's a forum??? The f**k? Or are we only allowed to speculate as long as there is a positive spin on it?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
What's in the past is just that. Solly, you've had 2 years to learn, now go do what you were drafted to do. No roo. For excuses now. When Buckner was in his 3rd year he dominated, you gotta do the same.

This I can agree with. Despite what genus may think, I don't have anything against ST. I'm a fan of the Niners, not any specific playee.

Like I've said before, I WANT him to succeed because that means the team is succeeding, but until he does, I'll continue to question the pick.

And what I'm saying is...wait and see what he actually does this year?

I don't get why people are so eager to come in here and talk sh*t about the guy when we know what's gone on in his life and career so far...we're all on the same page that this season he has to show he can play or it's over for him.

So let's wait and see what he actually does first?

Because it's a forum??? The f**k? Or are we only allowed to speculate as long as there is a positive spin on it?

So because it's a forum it's cool for people to run in here and go out of their way to trash the kid?

That's fine, feel free to do that but if you're going to then turn around and say you don't have anything personal against Thomas it's hard to believe. Maybe that's the case with you but there have been plenty of people to come in here after Thomas does some good things or plays well in preseason and regardless of that call for him to be cut(why?) or call him a bust and basically rip on the kid.

How is that constructive at all? It's not like you HAVE to post in this thread just because the forum is here. Plenty of other threads going on.

This thread has some nice things about Thomas which aren't super positive nor super negative. johny did a great breakdown of Thomas and his "flashes" which apparently never happened based on your posts.

Originally posted by genus49:
So because it's a forum it's cool for people to run in here and go out of their way to trash the kid?

That's fine, feel free to do that but if you're going to then turn around and say you don't have anything personal against Thomas it's hard to believe. Maybe that's the case with you but there have been plenty of people to come in here after Thomas does some good things or plays well in preseason and regardless of that call for him to be cut(why?) or call him a bust and basically rip on the kid.

How is that constructive at all? It's not like you HAVE to post in this thread just because the forum is here. Plenty of other threads going on.

This thread has some nice things about Thomas which aren't super positive nor super negative. johny did a great breakdown of Thomas and his "flashes" which apparently never happened based on your posts.

Sir, that is like 80% of the internet I'm not sure what world you're living in.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Sir, that is like 80% of the internet I'm not sure what world you're living in.

All I'm saying is if ignorant hating on a player going through some sh*t is your thing then go for it. I'm well aware of how the internet works but considering most of us are 49er fans you'd think the majority of people wouldn't be so quick to hate without a legit reason for it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Sir, that is like 80% of the internet I'm not sure what world you're living in.

All I'm saying is if ignorant hating on a player going through some sh*t is your thing then go for it. I'm well aware of how the internet works but considering most of us are 49er fans you'd think the majority of people wouldn't be so quick to hate without a legit reason for it.

How is it "ignorant" when the guy has not even once lived up to his billing? Words have meaning. I don't think "ignorance" applies the way you're using it.

Criticism does NOT equal hate. Why do people conflate these two so much?

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Sir, that is like 80% of the internet I'm not sure what world you're living in.

All I'm saying is if ignorant hating on a player going through some sh*t is your thing then go for it. I'm well aware of how the internet works but considering most of us are 49er fans you'd think the majority of people wouldn't be so quick to hate without a legit reason for it.

How is it "ignorant" when the guy has not even once lived up to his billing? Words have meaning. I don't think "ignorance" applies the way you're using it.

Criticism does NOT equal hate. Why do people conflate these two so much?

Because people in the world are to f**king soft now days.
Pretty f**king sad really

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Sir, that is like 80% of the internet I'm not sure what world you're living in.

All I'm saying is if ignorant hating on a player going through some sh*t is your thing then go for it. I'm well aware of how the internet works but considering most of us are 49er fans you'd think the majority of people wouldn't be so quick to hate without a legit reason for it.

How is it "ignorant" when the guy has not even once lived up to his billing? Words have meaning. I don't think "ignorance" applies the way you're using it.

Criticism does NOT equal hate. Why do people conflate these two so much?

It's ignorant because when people come in here after a preseason game where the kid plays well and they post "bust" or claim he did nothing or was invisible that's ignorance and sh*tting on a guy for something else.

It's pretty obvious when people post based on what they see or offer up their thoughts on a player based on what actually happened versus those people who check box scores or don't really understand what they're watching - those people are typically the ones with one word posts and quick to throw the bust label out there.

Fact is the stories about Thomas this offseason have all been positive. He may not have been getting the training camp hype that Bosa was prior to his injury but he had plenty of blubs about him playing well, those only picked up after Bosa got hurt. He did some good things in preseason despite still getting too many snaps on the outside.

We know what happened last year, he played awful last year. We know one of the reasons for his poor play. Since apparently playing well against backups isn't something we can compliment him for then what's the point of trashing him based on last year?

And the whole living up to his billing thing is stupid. Time to move on from the #3 overall thing. If he's playing well inside on pass downs or playing the run well in limited outside snaps where he's holding the edge, getting like 8 sacks a season he won't be living up to his draft status. Will that mean he's a bust? Should he be cut then?

And yes plenty of people on here would rather Thomas be complete sh*t so they can say "I told you so" versus seeing him revive his career and make this DL even scarier.