Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by genus49:

Armstead uses the same move time and time again...bullrush. Here and there it works but how many times have we seen him look like a statue as a play goes right by him?

To me Armstead isn't on this roster next year. Thomas is at least still under contract. It's very frustrating that a #3 overall pick who has at least 2 years left on his contract isn't being played at his ideal position. At least put him inside on obvious pass rush downs.

I simply don't get the fascination with Armstead....certainly not on the outside. IMO that's why our pass rush wasn't showing up early in that game.

But I guess it is what it is. Hopefully for Solly's sake a team like NE picks him up where they actually understand how to use tweener type players. Kyle Van Noy had a nice career revival with Belichick. I'm sure they'd love to take Thomas off our hands if we're not going to use him.

More often than not, AA was completely out of the play. But there were a few crucial moments on third down or the pick at end of the game where his bull rush worked and had the Guard on skates all the way till he got to Jameis

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Armstead is just a better player than Thomas, time to just accept it and move on man. He looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. He had one good game his entire college career and our rookie GM happened to be a college buddy of his and picked with his heart and not his head. It was a very badly wasted pick.

Listen, it's one thing to say Thomas hasn't turned out to be a very good NFL player but it's another thing all together to make up garbage like this.

Thomas at 3 wasn't some out of the blue "WTF are they thinking" pick. Pretty much across the board Thomas was listed as a top 5 player in that draft and the pick made a ton of sense.

It wouldn't be the first time a top drafted player turned out to be a bust but let's not change history to pretend the guy was complete sh*t outside of one game.

Armstead is in his 5th year. He didn't do jack sh*t his first 2 years and he was playing in the same spot as he did at Oregon and didn't have to deal with his sister killing herself.

Hard to develop players if you don't let them play. I watch Armstead and I see the same guy he's been his whole career. Bullrush.

Originally posted by genus49:
Listen, it's one thing to say Thomas hasn't turned out to be a very good NFL player but it's another thing all together to make up garbage like this.

Thomas at 3 wasn't some out of the blue "WTF are they thinking" pick. Pretty much across the board Thomas was listed as a top 5 player in that draft and the pick made a ton of sense.

It wouldn't be the first time a top drafted player turned out to be a bust but let's not change history to pretend the guy was complete sh*t outside of one game.

Armstead is in his 5th year. He didn't do jack sh*t his first 2 years and he was playing in the same spot as he did at Oregon and didn't have to deal with his sister killing herself.

Hard to develop players if you don't let them play. I watch Armstead and I see the same guy he's been his whole career. Bullrush.

lol so what??

He's GREAT at it.

Name one thing Solomon Thomas is great at -- besides going to school and pumping his arms very, very hard.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:
Listen, it's one thing to say Thomas hasn't turned out to be a very good NFL player but it's another thing all together to make up garbage like this.

Thomas at 3 wasn't some out of the blue "WTF are they thinking" pick. Pretty much across the board Thomas was listed as a top 5 player in that draft and the pick made a ton of sense.

It wouldn't be the first time a top drafted player turned out to be a bust but let's not change history to pretend the guy was complete sh*t outside of one game.

Armstead is in his 5th year. He didn't do jack sh*t his first 2 years and he was playing in the same spot as he did at Oregon and didn't have to deal with his sister killing herself.

Hard to develop players if you don't let them play. I watch Armstead and I see the same guy he's been his whole career. Bullrush.

lol so what??

He's GREAT at it.

Name one thing Solomon Thomas is great at -- besides going to school and pumping his arms very, very hard.

Once again...what was Armstead good at his first two years? And Armstead isn't "GREAT" at it. He's good at it. He makes a play here and there but there are plenty of times he's just getting in the way.

I understand Thomas has to earn his playing time but Thomas' quickness inside IMO is a bigger threat on pass rush snaps than Armstead's bullrush.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Armstead is just a better player than Thomas, time to just accept it and move on man. He looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. He had one good game his entire college career and our rookie GM happened to be a college buddy of his and picked with his heart and not his head. It was a very badly wasted pick.

Listen, it's one thing to say Thomas hasn't turned out to be a very good NFL player but it's another thing all together to make up garbage like this.

Thomas at 3 wasn't some out of the blue "WTF are they thinking" pick. Pretty much across the board Thomas was listed as a top 5 player in that draft and the pick made a ton of sense.

It wouldn't be the first time a top drafted player turned out to be a bust but let's not change history to pretend the guy was complete sh*t outside of one game.

Armstead is in his 5th year. He didn't do jack sh*t his first 2 years and he was playing in the same spot as he did at Oregon and didn't have to deal with his sister killing herself.

Hard to develop players if you don't let them play. I watch Armstead and I see the same guy he's been his whole career. Bullrush.

I think it's pretty obvious that neither of them will be on the team in the future.

The bolded doesn't matter anymore. We are in 2019 and it's time to produce. Thomas will get plenty of reps inside going forward and his play will determine how much more time he gets. There are no excuses for this year anymore.

You keep talking about AA's bullrush like its a negative. Having someone to collapse the pocket is very important considering we have two good edge rushers now. Meanwhile, Thomas hasn't shown any consistent pass rush move at all.

Also, why don't you mention that AA is playing outside? Why is it that Thomas truthers always bring up Thomas playing out of position and think AA has been in his correct position. It is simply not true. AA played outside a lot at DE this game and it surely isn't his natural position.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I pretty much wrote off the 2017 draft at this point. At least we got a potential Hall Of Fame tight end out of it......

The oxymoron statement of the day.

Why is it an oxymoron? It is true.

Although I guess Akhello is redeeming himself now. We'll see if it isn't a fluke

Teams are lucky to find 3- or 4 players that contribute in any given draft.

Thomas - role player at this point
Withersppon - Up/down but player really well yesterday. Could be a quality starter or at worst a serviceable backup
Beathard - 3rd string QB
Kittle - pro bowler
Taylor - starting slot WR
DJ Jones - role player
Breida - starting RB
Mullines - Quality backup QB

that's a decent draft class if you take into account most teams only get 3 or 4 players from any given class. If you can find a better '17 class please post it so we can discuss.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

He's a decent backup, that's it man. Bosa showed more in his first game as a pro than Solomon has in 2+ seasons. Ugh

This

dude was a ghost out ther, looks like AA has passed him up

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:

It's crazy how the zone bags on AA. The coaches absolutely love Arik. They think he's a real player. Great run stopper , the "Coaches" say it time and time again. NFL coaches! Why on the webzone will no one listen or believe them?

This is insanity. Yesterday's game was super weird. Sherman said it was the hottest game he's ever played in. The snaps Thomas played we not terrible but yea they obviously think he's not as good as they want. We finally Have a merit based system. Solomon Thomas's production does not merit more playing time. It's that simple

Hes good against the run, wouldnt say great. And thats basically all he can do. Most of the time hes whiffing tackles, falling on his face, or running into his own teammates. Coaches like him bc he looks great in practice, but when he actually has to hit someone in a game, he cant.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
It's crazy how the zone bags on AA. The coaches absolutely love Arik. They think he's a real player. Great run stopper , the "Coaches" say it time and time again. NFL coaches! Why on the webzone will no one listen or believe them?

This is insanity. Yesterday's game was super weird. Sherman said it was the hottest game he's ever played in. The snaps Thomas played we not terrible but yea they obviously think he's not as good as they want. We finally Have a merit based system. Solomon Thomas's production does not merit more playing time. It's that simple

Hes good against the run, wouldnt say great. And thats basically all he can do. Most of the time hes whiffing tackles, falling on his face, or running into his own teammates. Coaches like him bc he looks great in practice, but when he actually has to hit someone in a game, he cant.

up-sale for a trade

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Armstead is just a better player than Thomas, time to just accept it and move on man. He looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. He had one good game his entire college career and our rookie GM happened to be a college buddy of his and picked with his heart and not his head. It was a very badly wasted pick.

Listen, it's one thing to say Thomas hasn't turned out to be a very good NFL player but it's another thing all together to make up garbage like this.

Thomas at 3 wasn't some out of the blue "WTF are they thinking" pick. Pretty much across the board Thomas was listed as a top 5 player in that draft and the pick made a ton of sense.

It wouldn't be the first time a top drafted player turned out to be a bust but let's not change history to pretend the guy was complete sh*t outside of one game.

Armstead is in his 5th year. He didn't do jack sh*t his first 2 years and he was playing in the same spot as he did at Oregon and didn't have to deal with his sister killing herself.

Hard to develop players if you don't let them play. I watch Armstead and I see the same guy he's been his whole career. Bullrush.

I think it's pretty obvious that neither of them will be on the team in the future.

The bolded doesn't matter anymore. We are in 2019 and it's time to produce. Thomas will get plenty of reps inside going forward and his play will determine how much more time he gets. There are no excuses for this year anymore.

You keep talking about AA's bullrush like its a negative. Having someone to collapse the pocket is very important considering we have two good edge rushers now. Meanwhile, Thomas hasn't shown any consistent pass rush move at all.

Also, why don't you mention that AA is playing outside? Why is it that Thomas truthers always bring up Thomas playing out of position and think AA has been in his correct position. It is simply not true. AA played outside a lot at DE this game and it surely isn't his natural position.

I'll concede that Thomas' career here looks to be shaky at best but the bold is definitely still valid when it comes to comparing his first 2 years to Armstead's 2 first years.

And we're on to 2019, it's definitely time to produce and I've said as much but the whole time i was thinking we'd see Thomas inside with Buckner and Bosa and Ford on the outside.

Playing DE AGAIN, dropping into coverage AGAIN. That's basically throwing Thomas to the wolves. He is not a DE and he will never be a good player on the outside.

And I also hate Armstead on the outside. IF he has to play I'd much rather see him play inside as well.

I'm hoping the crazy conditions in Tampa and what we were trying to do in that game will not be the way we continue to rotate our DL.

The reason Thomas didn't play the majority of the snaps is because the coaches had no reason to yesterday. AA repeatedly manhandled his guy. Say what you want about him, but he had a great game. He missed a tackle early, but let's not sit there and ignore the fact that he had beat his man on that play as well.

I thought it was telling that AA was next to Buck at the end of the game. I think they still believe he's the better interior rusher.

Solly did work at DE with that 2nd group though. He just has to keep working.

Next year AA will be gone, and hopefully we get one more competent edge rusher, then Solly will have his final make or break season before choosing whether to option him or move on.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by genus49:
I just don't get it. Thomas isn't exactly doing much to be excited about but I just don't see anything exciting about Armstead. Same bullrush over and over again. I'd like to at least see what Thomas can do at the position that got him drafted so high.

Frustrating.

What I dont get is how people see Thomas not getting snaps inside over Armstead and their opinion being "why dont we put Thomas in there to see what he can do?" Obviously, the answer the consistent, albeit generally not gamechanging, play of AA is better than what Thomas would give us. Otherwise, the coaches would play Thomas.

The "we might as well see" opinions are starting to wear thin. Thomas isnt any good.

Exactly. And they should be arguing for him getting more playing time outside in base. Cause at least he has some speed and wouldn't allow some crazy play like Mahomes had in KC last year on his side.

Armstead uses the same move time and time again...bullrush. Here and there it works but how many times have we seen him look like a statue as a play goes right by him?

To me Armstead isn't on this roster next year. Thomas is at least still under contract. It's very frustrating that a #3 overall pick who has at least 2 years left on his contract isn't being played at his ideal position. At least put him inside on obvious pass rush downs.

I simply don't get the fascination with Armstead....certainly not on the outside. IMO that's why our pass rush wasn't showing up early in that game.

But I guess it is what it is. Hopefully for Solly's sake a team like NE picks him up where they actually understand how to use tweener type players. Kyle Van Noy had a nice career revival with Belichick. I'm sure they'd love to take Thomas off our hands if we're not going to use him.

Good post.

Armstead has no business on the edge.

If Thomas isn't going to play then try to get what you can for him.

Originally posted by genus49:

I'll concede that Thomas' career here looks to be shaky at best but the bold is definitely still valid when it comes to comparing his first 2 years to Armstead's 2 first years.

And we're on to 2019, it's definitely time to produce and I've said as much but the whole time i was thinking we'd see Thomas inside with Buckner and Bosa and Ford on the outside.

Playing DE AGAIN, dropping into coverage AGAIN. That's basically throwing Thomas to the wolves. He is not a DE and he will never be a good player on the outside.

And I also hate Armstead on the outside. IF he has to play I'd much rather see him play inside as well.

I'm hoping the crazy conditions in Tampa and what we were trying to do in that game will not be the way we continue to rotate our DL.

Yeah my point was just that it doesn't matter anymore what has happened in the past. AA is the better player IMO as of right now.

It's very frustrating we have so many interior players and only 2 true edge guys. I wish they would bring back Moore or someone else and cut either Jones, Day, or Taylor. So players like Thomas and AA can play inside.

Listen, football isn't fair. Thomas has had lots of things working against him but at this point he has to make the most of his limited snaps because AA started in front of him and produced at least enough to not lose his job. Thomas has to win that job.