Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:
#3 overall pick needs to be catered to and still can't make plays when everything lines up right for him

You've made it pretty clear your thoughts on Thomas and you may be right about him being a failure but everything lines up right for him? He's not getting any snaps inside and everyone who thought he could revive his career expected him to play inside now that we have proper edge guys.

So no everything isn't lining up right for him...

Coaches must feel that AA, DJ and Day are better options. Not to mention that J.Taylor got some snaps at DT during the game. D.Moore over ST. At least he is better at DE than ST.

Regardless, he has not been played where he fits best so claiming everything is lining up right for him is incorrect.

As for the reasons the coaches have that's another story. One thing is for sure they claim he's a better fit inside but don't play him there. That's very frustrating when you use a 3rd overall pick on a guy then play him where you claim isn't his ideal spot...and where he clearly doesn't play like a first round pick let alone a top 3 pick.

I understand your point. My point is, they won't play him inside because he falls short of the others I mentioned.

We'll find that answer in the next few weeks IMO. It's hard to get a good read on where this DL is after this win.

It's pretty clear that weather played a factor in what we were going to do on offense as well as the DL rotation. At DE we really only have Bosa and Ford. Armstead like Thomas is a better fit for inside. Blair is a hybrid himself.

Inside we have Buckner, Day, Jones, Taylor who really don't play edge at all save a look here and there for Buck.

That gives us a rotation of 5 guys inside if you include Armstead and 6 guys if you include Thomas.

Outside we have 4 or 5 if you include Thomas(which we obviously did)

We'll see what happens in Cinci. May very well be they think what he can do at DE gives us better production depth wise than what he can do inside but I find that hard to believe but I'm not at every practice.

Originally posted by T-9ers:
You can't just say Solomon needs to be playing inside on 3rd because someone obviously beat him out for that position. I mean how the sport works, you compete for the job and get named starter, and Solly ain't the guy right now.

So Where you going to play him? 3rd and short , you need size upfront, Blair or Jones. 3rd and 5,6yds then you still got to respect the run and Blair is still the better choice. So what's left? He's 3rd and passing situations. I mean that's a role player imo.

No need to make excuses for the guy anymore. He's just not better than the guys in front of him, he hasn't earned that role on this team. Hopefully they can find a role for him or a suitable matchup next game.

The frustration from me is this.

We drafted this kid #3 overall, would've drafted him #2 overall. His tape shows he's a great interior rusher. That's what got him to climb the draft boards and be mentioned as a top 5 pick by all accounts.

You take a kid that high and you tell everyone that you see him as an inside rusher on pass downs....then you don't actually play him there!

I understand that guys have to earn their playing time but there are special circumstances here.

Thomas has been behind the 8 ball since he got here due to the BS rule the NFL had at the time. He missed key offseason prep and then out of necessity played more edge than inside.

His second year was a complete nightmare on the field and off of it.

Now what?

When he's gotten time inside he's looked good, not Aaron Donald "holy sh*t this guy is unreal" good but he's looked solid and way more comfortable than when he's on the outside.

So how do we continue not letting him show what he can do in a real game? Some guys are gamers. For the "he hasn't shown coaches what he can do enough to play him" I guess you forget what happened with Beathard and Mullens?

Fact is if Thomas keeps being played on the outside he's a waste here. Put a fork in him, he's done. May as well trade the poor kid.

It blows my mind that after what happened with Foster that we're not going to even try to help him revive his career here. You have the opportunity to put him inside near Buckner with Bosa and Ford on the same line and we're basically like "nah we're cool with him being a waste of a pick, let's not try to see if we can get anything of worth out of him at this point"

Originally posted by thl408:
Solly standing up. Drop to man coverage on TE. Bring 4th rusher from other side. 2v1 for RT = free rusher. pick 6


we can't say, "that s**t don't work" anymore

Hoe does a guy that moves that well not dominate when the line is stunting as much as they have been. Dude is an enigma.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

It's the Saleh special. Instead of playing to the player's strength, he plays them to their weakness.

Right? Remember when they had T. Moore playing CB last year? Lol

Originally posted by thl408:

Solly standing up. Drop to man coverage on TE. Bring 4th rusher from other side. 2v1 for RT = free rusher. pick 6


we can't say, "that s**t don't work" anymore

Perfect call against the empty set. If Tampa had a running back in, unlikely it would've worked as well. Love the game our defense had.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:
Solly standing up. Drop to man coverage on TE. Bring 4th rusher from other side. 2v1 for RT = free rusher. pick 6


we can't say, "that s**t don't work" anymore

Perfect call against the empty set. If Tampa had a running back in, unlikely it would've worked as well. Love the game our defense had.

Makes up for the 3rd and 17...or does it?

I nearly broke something after that conversion. Also a play where Moore showed he's not ready IMO. Dude HAS to wrap up on that tackle. Could've had the stop there if he wrapped up, instead he goes in for a big hit and they picked it up. Have to understand where the play is and what down it is and make sure you get the guy down.

Didn't he slim back down to 270? I don't think that helps his chances for interior play. We drafted him to be a tweener and unfortunately finding his niche is easier said than done especially when there's 4 other 1st rounders on that d line.

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Scottie15:
The players that we passed up to select this loser is just depressing to think about.

That should haunt Lynch. I just don't think Solomon will ever be a good player in the NFL.

This kind of thought process is why Lynch is where he is and you are where you are.

Lolwut. Quite possibly the stupidest s**t I've read on this forum. You know nothing about me, but I know enough about your sorry ass GM in 3 years to know he's trash. And the homers like you who ignore facts and who've forgotten what this franchise is about are the reason why this ball club is 13-36 the last 3 years.

My point was that winners in this world do not dwell on mistakes, or be 'haunted' by them to use your words. They learn from them, get better and move on. Everyone makes mistakes and if you always live in the past you will never reach your potential. And since I don't know who you are as you stated, I only had your words to judge you by. I also think it is still too early in his career to pass judgement on Solomon. May never live up to a top pic, but he can still be good. Uh oh, I guess you will call me a homer lol.

If Armstead proves to be way better than Thomas- we should be extending AA no?

I want to see this ST play a s**t ton inside for a game or two so we finally know.

People that keep criticizing the drafts need to go back and look at the grades and comments that were made at the time. Thomas and Foster were both given B+ or A grades at the time they were drafted. Yes they took a chance on Foster and other than some nagging injuries he played well in his first season. Then he started having the issues with his girlfriend in his second season. Thomas may not have lived up to a #3 pick but he was considered to be a solid pick at the time. Lot's of guys don't live up to their high expectations so I can't say Lynch is an idiot and doesn't know what he is doing. You can second guess all the GM's since they all have had good and bad drafts. They have done well with some late picks and UDFA's so that offsets the early round misses to some extent.

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Scottie15:
Lolwut. Quite possibly the stupidest s**t I've read on this forum. You know nothing about me, but I know enough about your sorry ass GM in 3 years to know he's trash. And the homers like you who ignore facts and who've forgotten what this franchise is about are the reason why this ball club is 13-36 the last 3 years.

The team is bad because of fans?

Chill man - zone is a great place to chat - no need trash people.

To be fair, I was trashed first.

And in regards to my statement, it's the fans accepting mediocrity. But fair enough. If I had to place a bet, I'd say Niners need to end the season with a record above 500 for Lynch to keep his job. Just too many mediocre to bad drafts to sustain a successful team.

I'm curious what a good draft looks like to you. Can you post a draft or two from the last few years where you thought it was a good draft.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Armstead is just a better player than Thomas, time to just accept it and move on man. He looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. He had one good game his entire college career and our rookie GM happened to be a college buddy of his and picked with his heart and not his head. It was a very badly wasted pick.

Listen, it's one thing to say Thomas hasn't turned out to be a very good NFL player but it's another thing all together to make up garbage like this.

Thomas at 3 wasn't some out of the blue "WTF are they thinking" pick. Pretty much across the board Thomas was listed as a top 5 player in that draft and the pick made a ton of sense.

It wouldn't be the first time a top drafted player turned out to be a bust but let's not change history to pretend the guy was complete sh*t outside of one game.

Armstead is in his 5th year. He didn't do jack sh*t his first 2 years and he was playing in the same spot as he did at Oregon and didn't have to deal with his sister killing herself.

Hard to develop players if you don't let them play. I watch Armstead and I see the same guy he's been his whole career. Bullrush.

One good college game. He was not worth the pick. Sorry if you don't like the facts man, but they're still the facts. He was a bad pick who is backing up a guy who only has a bull rush. I desperately wish he was better, but he got beat out by the guy you are complaining only has one move.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/solomon-thomas-2/gamelog/

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
One good college game. He was not worth the pick. Sorry if you don't like the facts man, but they're still the facts. He was a bad pick who is backing up a guy who only has a bull rush. I desperately wish he was better, but he got beat out by the guy you are complaining only has one move.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/solomon-thomas-2/gamelog/

Okay so he wasn't worth the pick. That doesn't change the fact that most everyone had him going in the top 10. The fact that he hasn't lived up to his billing is a combination of many things that have been listed on this forum over and over. Get over it. Nothing we can do about it now. Move on and hope he either improves or gets released if he doesn't. It does no good to say I would have picked this guy or that guy. You can go back to every draft we have ever had and say we should have picked someone different. Hindsight may be 20/20 but foresight is truly mystical.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
One good college game. He was not worth the pick. Sorry if you don't like the facts man, but they're still the facts. He was a bad pick who is backing up a guy who only has a bull rush. I desperately wish he was better, but he got beat out by the guy you are complaining only has one move.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/solomon-thomas-2/gamelog/

if it comes to it.. we may release him... because i do not even think we can get a 7th rounder for him

if we end up cutting ties with him and still end up being a 8 win team this year and better next year.. that would be impressive.. you usually do not get away with throwing away two first round picks when you are starting up a rebuilding project.. lynch