Solomon Thomas, DT

Just because others would have drafted Solly early, doesnt make him not a bust.

I argue about this all the time. Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 overall pick that year. That doesnt mean he wasnt a bust and the Raiders didnt make the wrong pick simply because everyone else would have drafted him there too.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just because others would have drafted Solly early, doesnt make him not a bust.

I argue about this all the time. Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 overall pick that year. That doesnt mean he wasnt a bust and the Raiders didnt make the wrong pick simply because everyone else would have drafted him there too.

That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't do any good to keep complaining about a bad pick, a bad call or a bad play. They're over and done so let's move on. That's what the teams do and what the players do. Better to spend time looking forward to what we need to improve or how we can improve a game plan. At least these are things that CAN happen as opposed to things you can't change. You can spend the rest of your life complaining about what should have happened and it won't do any good. All it does is make you bitter.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just because others would have drafted Solly early, doesnt make him not a bust.

I argue about this all the time. Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 overall pick that year. That doesnt mean he wasnt a bust and the Raiders didnt make the wrong pick simply because everyone else would have drafted him there too.

That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't do any good to keep complaining about a bad pick, a bad call or a bad play. They're over and done so let's move on. That's what the teams do and what the players do. Better to spend time looking forward to what we need to improve or how we can improve a game plan. At least these are things that CAN happen as opposed to things you can't change. You can spend the rest of your life complaining about what should have happend an it won't do any good. All it does is make you bitter.

For starters, we are neither. Second of all, we need to further limit the snaps Solomon Thomas gets so that we can improve this team.

Originally posted by cciowa:
if we end up cutting ties with him and still end up being a 8 win team this year and better next year.. that would be impressive.. you usually do not get away with throwing away two first round picks when you are starting up a rebuilding project.. lynch

they're not gonna cut ties with him. They'll keep him around like Armstead, and maybe Solomon will finally show up on his contract year

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by cciowa:
if we end up cutting ties with him and still end up being a 8 win team this year and better next year.. that would be impressive.. you usually do not get away with throwing away two first round picks when you are starting up a rebuilding project.. lynch

they're not gonna cut ties with him. They'll keep him around like Armstead, and maybe Solomon will finally show up on his contract year

That sucks. Because Armstead is an actual good starter and Thomas' cap hit next year is $9M. We should 50000% keep Armstead and dump Thomas.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by cciowa:
if we end up cutting ties with him and still end up being a 8 win team this year and better next year.. that would be impressive.. you usually do not get away with throwing away two first round picks when you are starting up a rebuilding project.. lynch

they're not gonna cut ties with him. They'll keep him around like Armstead, and maybe Solomon will finally show up on his contract year

makes sense.. i was speculating on what to do with thomas in the kyle thread.. IF they decide aa and others deserve more playing time than him

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just because others would have drafted Solly early, doesnt make him not a bust.

I argue about this all the time. Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 overall pick that year. That doesnt mean he wasnt a bust and the Raiders didnt make the wrong pick simply because everyone else would have drafted him there too.

That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't do any good to keep complaining about a bad pick, a bad call or a bad play. They're over and done so let's move on. That's what the teams do and what the players do. Better to spend time looking forward to what we need to improve or how we can improve a game plan. At least these are things that CAN happen as opposed to things you can't change. You can spend the rest of your life complaining about what should have happened and it won't do any good. All it does is make you bitter.

LOL. You tell me its not the point yet your entire post is missing the point.

It has nothing to do with us complaining about a bad pick. It has to do with people continuing to advocate playing Thomas, so people argue back. You say that its "over and done so lets move on." Well continuing to claim Thomas should be playing is NOT moving on. It is refusing to let go.

I am not one that is constantly claiming we could have had ___ player. I am just one that refuses to believe the best thing for our team is to throw him on the field in case we might get something out of him.

So ST got like what 12 snaps?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

If Armstead proves to be way better than Thomas- we should be extending AA no?

I want to see this ST play a s**t ton inside for a game or two so we finally know.

AA is more expensive and we got a comp pick coming when he walks. Need that dough for DeFo extension.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So ST got like what 12 snaps?

Lol yup

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So ST got like what 12 snaps?

Lol yup

crazy

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Just because others would have drafted Solly early, doesnt make him not a bust.

I argue about this all the time. Jamarcus Russell was the consensus #1 overall pick that year. That doesnt mean he wasnt a bust and the Raiders didnt make the wrong pick simply because everyone else would have drafted him there too.

Russell was played at the position that got him drafted.

Thomas was not.

There is a difference but regardless you are correct. Whether people thought he was worth a top 5 pick is irrelevant once he starts playing. But let's not change the narrative.

Saying Thomas is a bust is one thing.
Saying Thomas never should've been the pick at the time in another story.

I'd say the first thing is still somewhat early...at least in terms of full blown bust. I think as far as #3 overall selection it's clear he was not worth that spot. Certainly not based on his play. He hasn't been helped by our coaching staff or his home life but results speak for themselves.

The second thing can be said only if you're using hindsight but the idea that he was some shocker pick and only selected cuz he was Stanford alum or Lynch classmate is lazy and stupid.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:
Solly standing up. Drop to man coverage on TE. Bring 4th rusher from other side. 2v1 for RT = free rusher. pick 6


we can't say, "that s**t don't work" anymore

Perfect call against the empty set. If Tampa had a running back in, unlikely it would've worked as well. Love the game our defense had.

Makes up for the 3rd and 17...or does it?

I nearly broke something after that conversion. Also a play where Moore showed he's not ready IMO. Dude HAS to wrap up on that tackle. Could've had the stop there if he wrapped up, instead he goes in for a big hit and they picked it up. Have to understand where the play is and what down it is and make sure you get the guy down.

Considering that drive didn't end in points and this one got us 7, I'd say it does.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by cciowa:
if we end up cutting ties with him and still end up being a 8 win team this year and better next year.. that would be impressive.. you usually do not get away with throwing away two first round picks when you are starting up a rebuilding project.. lynch

they're not gonna cut ties with him. They'll keep him around like Armstead, and maybe Solomon will finally show up on his contract year

That sucks. Because Armstead is an actual good starter and Thomas' cap hit next year is $9M. We should 50000% keep Armstead and dump Thomas.

Depends on what AA is asking for. I think he will get big offers in free agency, so it won't be worth it. I'd be down to bring him back cheap.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LOL. You tell me its not the point yet your entire post is missing the point.

It has nothing to do with us complaining about a bad pick. It has to do with people continuing to advocate playing Thomas, so people argue back. You say that its "over and done so lets move on." Well continuing to claim Thomas should be playing is NOT moving on. It is refusing to let go.

I am not one that is constantly claiming we could have had ___ player. I am just one that refuses to believe the best thing for our team is to throw him on the field in case we might get something out of him.

My comment wasn't directed just at you but at the many people that continue to complain about picks that haven't worked out when we can't do anything about it. The coaches will continue to play some of these guys until they are sure that he can't play. Look at AA. He started playing well in the second half of the season and looked good in game one this year. Many of us, myself included thought he was a bust. The coaches stayed with him while moving him around to find the best fit until they seen to have decided on the inside. They're trying that with Thomas and it may of may not work. Their other option is cutting him and not having a viable replacement. I know we have a couple guys on the practice squad but they are there for a reason. If they were good enough right now they would be on the main roster. We see this from different points of view and I doubt I'll convince those that disagree but I like to look forward, not back.