Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by walker807:
I expect Lynch will be patient with him. Fans wanted Ward and AA dumped and now both are key parts of our defense. Lynch being patient paid off bigtime. Who knows with Solo if he takes that next step but no real reason to start breaking up the dline unless it's necessary to clear cap space. I think they have other ways of doing that though.

Being patient would also equal giving him the 5th yr option like they did with AA...you think they do that with ST? It's gonna be like $15m lol no way

That's two years away, I expect him to be on the roster next year and then either a cheap extension or FA for him. I'm with you, I dont think he gets his 5th year picked up unless he has an AA type year next year. Dline depth wins rings, Lynch knows this but Solo still needs to step up more if hes gonna be in the long term plans.

You made some good points here about patience. Us fans have very little and I'm one of many that wondered why the kept Ward. Now we are seeing what the coaches kept telling us. He is not only playing well now but Donte Whitner pointed out how valuable it is to have a guy like him that can play every position. I guess they felt that eventually his bad luck with injuries would even out.

agree CatchMaster and solid post!

Yep. Great post by CatchMaster. A lot of fans wanted Ward and Armstead dumped early on because they werent performing well in games, and Solomon Thomas fans are holding onto the idea that if we are just patient with him, his results could be the same as Ward/AA. But the hue difference is that coaches/front office kept RAVING about Ward and AA in practice, and now years later we are seeing those two produce. There is ZERO praise from coaches and front office in practice. At least publicly. Thats why the ST fans using AA/Ward as their examples is pretty silly to me. They arent the same situations at all.

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
So I have all the Gifs ready, got a question though. How many can I post before it slows down the page? Anyone know?

A reminder of the detour you have taken:

The only thing we were arguing about was Thomas's run defense performance in the second Arizona game. You popped into this thread to claim that despite not even analyzing that game, you "feel" Thomas is making the run defense weaker when he is put inside. I then told you he had absolutely nothing to do with any bad moments against the run in the Cardinals game, and cited him playing a key role in the Cardinals' second-to-last drive of the game to force a punt as an example of him helping the team there. You said you went back and watched the "all 22," and aside from the last series, he "did not have a good game" and cited him "only having one tackle" as a reason his performance must have been bad (which is a ludicrous argument).

You initially offered to provide me "time stamps" to prove he played poorly in the Arizona game. When I asked for time stamps, you told me you weren't going to provide them, but rather gifs.

This was 3 freaking weeks ago.

Thomas only played 26 snaps in the Cardinals game. You could have made a gif of every single play he was in in around 30 minutes.

What clearly happened is you realized you couldn't come up with squat from that Cardinals game, and you're now going to completely change the argument and go through every game of the season in order to find enough reaches to try to make your argument. Meanwhile, even if you find one or two legitimate plays from this season where Thomas wasn't perfect against the run, you'll completely ignore the important context - that being how many similar or worse plays the other guys on this team to play on the interior had.

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

You never heard all the great stuff everyone said about Armstead in practice? How long you been following the team? Someone can search for them if you really want. But it'll take a bit of time to dig through the million 2019 articles. But before that, just trust us when we say it happened. They were raving about how great he was and I never understood why.

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/


https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."


https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"



There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

The good thing about Solly sucking , was that it put us in position to draft Bosa

It's actually pretty amazing that the early round Lynch draft busts (Thomas, Foster, Pettis) have not negatively affected the team's progression to elite status.

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
It's actually pretty amazing that the early round Lynch draft busts (Thomas, Foster, Pettis) have not negatively affected the team's progression to elite status.

That happens when you draft guys like George Kittle, Fred Warner, and Ahkello Witherspoon in the middle rounds.

There is no reason to give up on Thomas though. Interior defensive linemen usually take a while to develop. Hell, Armstead is in his 5th season and this is his first season where he looks like he deserved the 1st round draft status. But he is certainly due to make a big step.

Originally posted by blm7754:

That happens when you draft guys like George Kittle, Fred Warner, and Ahkello Witherspoon in the middle rounds.

There is no reason to give up on Thomas though. Interior defensive linemen usually take a while to develop. Hell, Armstead is in his 5th season and this is his first season where he looks like he deserved the 1st round draft status. But he is certainly due to make a big step.

I think he can turn it around. I've seen him make some incredible chase downs that don't get much notice cus our other studs get to the runner or qb first

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by blm7754:

That happens when you draft guys like George Kittle, Fred Warner, and Ahkello Witherspoon in the middle rounds.

There is no reason to give up on Thomas though. Interior defensive linemen usually take a while to develop. Hell, Armstead is in his 5th season and this is his first season where he looks like he deserved the 1st round draft status. But he is certainly due to make a big step.

I think he can turn it around. I've seen him make some incredible chase downs that don't get much notice cus our other studs get to the runner or qb first

This is why I feel we should try and give him a contract extension, he has been a disappointment thus far but he's not bad and hopefully he can become an above average player felt that way with Armstead

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:
Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"

There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

I see one writer saying some really good things about him in those links. Here's media praise for Thomas:

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/08/22/Early-2019-reps-show-resurgence-of-49ers-DL-Solomon-Thomas

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article233217521.html

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"

There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

I see one writer saying some really good things about him in those links. Here's media praise for Thomas:

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/08/22/Early-2019-reps-show-resurgence-of-49ers-DL-Solomon-Thomas

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article233217521.html

And where's your boy today? Occupying space? Being a waste of a roster spot?

Dudes trash. Lock this thread until we trade this catastrophic bust.

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:
Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"

There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

I see one writer saying some really good things about him in those links. Here's media praise for Thomas:

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/08/22/Early-2019-reps-show-resurgence-of-49ers-DL-Solomon-Thomas

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article233217521.html

And where's your boy today? Occupying space? Being a waste of a roster spot?

Dudes trash. Lock this thread until we trade this catastrophic bust.

Oh yeah, because Thomas is the problem with the defense right now...

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"

There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

I see one writer saying some really good things about him in those links. Here's media praise for Thomas:

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/08/22/Early-2019-reps-show-resurgence-of-49ers-DL-Solomon-Thomas

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article233217521.html

And where's your boy today? Occupying space? Being a waste of a roster spot?

Dudes trash. Lock this thread until we trade this catastrophic bust.

Oh yeah, because Thomas is the problem with the defense right now...

He's definitely part of it. Dude's a scrub tweener weakling who can't do anything to impose himself on opposing offenses.

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"

There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

I see one writer saying some really good things about him in those links. Here's media praise for Thomas:

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/08/22/Early-2019-reps-show-resurgence-of-49ers-DL-Solomon-Thomas

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article233217521.html

And where's your boy today? Occupying space? Being a waste of a roster spot?

Dudes trash. Lock this thread until we trade this catastrophic bust.

Oh yeah, because Thomas is the problem with the defense right now...

He's definitely part of it. Dude's a scrub tweener weakling who can't do anything to impose himself on opposing offenses.

Where's SWH? This is a perfect example of someone NOT rooting for a Niners player.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Show me this "RAVING" they were doing about Armstead and Ward in "practice." I recall no such thing. Certainly nothing more than they "RAVED" about Thomas.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out about 984398439834 times now, the 49ers only have 1 45 minute padded practice per week. You can't tell squat from that. Nobody earns anything from practice.

Not even in the past during the two-a-days era. Just ask Joe Montana about why Walsh had him backing up Steve DeBerg for most of the 1980 season.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/04/eric-reid-on-arik-armstead-the-kids-a-monster/

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/01/arik-armstead-dishes-on-new-mindset-future-of-49ers-d-line/

" Armstead, 21, appeared to be playing freely in Monday's practice, when he was the best defender on the field for most of the day. He regularly found himself in the backfield while going against San Francisco's first-team offensive line.

He mostly played on the right side of the defense, lining up against the 49ers' most experienced blockers in Joe Staley and Zane Beadles. But they didn't prevent him from getting to running back Carlos Hyde for big losses.

Armstead forced a fumble on the first rep of full-team drills, jarring the ball loose from Hyde even though he's not allowed to hit the running back during training camp."

https://www.mysanantonio.com/49ers/article/49ers-Garnett-Armstead-first-rounders-in-12380067.php

" Meanwhile, Armstead has shown flashes of dominance in the past two training camps, but it hasn't translated to the field"

There were interviews from Staley as well, going off about how dominant AA is in practice . Then AA went on to disappoint us then get hurt that year.

I see one writer saying some really good things about him in those links. Here's media praise for Thomas:

https://www.fourthandnine.com/single-post/2019/08/22/Early-2019-reps-show-resurgence-of-49ers-DL-Solomon-Thomas

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article233217521.html

And where's your boy today? Occupying space? Being a waste of a roster spot?

Dudes trash. Lock this thread until we trade this catastrophic bust.

Oh yeah, because Thomas is the problem with the defense right now...

He's definitely part of it. Dude's a scrub tweener weakling who can't do anything to impose himself on opposing offenses.

Where's SWH? This is a perfect example of someone NOT rooting for a Niners player.

I'm right here and trying to figure out how him stating his opinion demonstrates that he is rooting against Thomas. Just because he thinks he sucks and is a bust doesnt mean he wants him to fail.