Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by glorydayz:
How do you plan for human error?

Attitude changes, lack of Motivation, negative response to new found millionaire status, soft (like Borland), or undiagnosed mental health issues, addiction, or negative influence of a future female companion post draft? to name a few.

If these guys were robots I could understand your frustration, but when you are dealing in human beings... Stuff gets extremely complicated

True but some of these guys were not first round talents, but yet, they get over valued for a number of stupid ass reasons. Hence Soloman Thomas and his combine stats and North Carolina bowl game. There are some guys who scream busts but the GM's draft on "potential"

Originally posted by FL9er:
2017 NFL Draft

1st round (Suze Orman voice) 5th yr option:

2. Mitchell Trubisky (DENIED)
3. Solomon Thomas (DENIED)
4. Leonard Fournette (DENIED)
5. Corey Davis (DENIED)
9. John Ross (DENIED)
13. Hasaan Reddick (DENIED)
15. Malik Hooker (DENIED)
20. Garrett Bolles (DENIED)
21. Jarrad Davis (DENIED)
22. Charles Harris (DENIED)
24. Gareon Conley (DENIED)
26. Takk McKinley (DENIED)
28. Taco Charlton (DENIED)
31. Reuben Foster (DENIED)

These GMs can't draft. SMDH

Nearly a 50% failure rate...

I don't see Barnett's name on that list.

Originally posted by FL9er:

2017 NFL Draft

1st round (Suze Orman voice) 5th yr option:

2. Mitchell Trubisky (DENIED)
3. Solomon Thomas (DENIED)
4. Leonard Fournette (DENIED)
5. Corey Davis (DENIED)
9. John Ross (DENIED)
13. Hasaan Reddick (DENIED)
15. Malik Hooker (DENIED)
20. Garrett Bolles (DENIED)
21. Jarrad Davis (DENIED)
22. Charles Harris (DENIED)
24. Gareon Conley (DENIED)
26. Takk McKinley (DENIED)
28. Taco Charlton (DENIED)
31. Reuben Foster (DENIED)

These GMs can't draft. SMDH

Nearly a 50% failure rate...

This is exhibit A as to why the right draft strategy is to accumulate as many picks as possible. With 10 picks you net maybe 2-3 solid starters. The idea of being "surgical" with just a few picks is BS. At this point it's 50/50 that Kinlaw works out for us. Same for Aiyuk. I don't care what you saw on film or what their combine or bowl game performance was. All of these guys in this list looked good in at least two of those three if not all three. There's a reason why Belichick stockpiles draft picks. Not sure why others haven't figured it out as well.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Solomon is a bust, man.

The dude has been a bust pretty much from the get-go. Only his fans would lay blame on his sister's suicide and Saleh playing him out of position.

I've had countless heated debates with plenty of Solomon Thomas homers in this thread, well the inevitable has finally arrived. I've long said no way will the 9ers extend him, we aren't even picking up his 5th year option.

Let's face it, the guy just isn't any good at the NFL level that's all. He has to be one of the biggest busts in 49ers' history.

I am just so glad we can now close this chapter and move on.

How'd that generational RB work out?

Thankfully we salvaged that draft in the later rounds and UDFA in that class who helped us.

So predictable, I knew you were going to reply. Are you sure you want to go the Fournette route?! Really? LOL.

While he hasn't turned out to be as good as expected, at the very least, Fournette has had 2 x 1,000+ yards seasons out of 3 and had the 4th highest Pro Bowl votes amongst RBs.

And what has Solomon Thomas done? A BIG FAT ZERO!!! Sorry, pardon me, to be more precise, 6 sacks in 3 full years!!

I would think twice about using Fournette to counter on the total collapse of Solomon Thomas if I were you[b]. Like I said, let's face it, Solomon Thomas is without doubt one of the biggest busts in 9ers' history.

And yet here I was...weird.

As much as I liked Thomas nobody here called him a generation's talent or called for him to be drafted when his position isn't a scheme fit or good value.

You pounded the table for a RB with a HC who turns virtually any RB into someone who can produce.

And as bad as Thomas has been he hasn't caused issues within the locker room or created any problems for the coaches. He kept his mouth shut, dealt with the snaps he got and we went to the SB with him providing depth. It doesn't mean he was a good pick cuz he clearly wasn't but Fournette despite his compilation stats caused problems within that team and ran his mouth.

As bad as Thomas has been using a top 3 pick on Fournette would've been an even worse move. Fournette didn't even have to deal with position changes or tragedy in his family. Played the easiest position to transition to from college to the pros and the Jags have been trying to trade him for a few seasons now.

And you're the one that felt the need to come into this thread and reference your discussions with "Thomas homers" and conveniently leave out your obsession with Fournette.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by FL9er:

2017 NFL Draft

1st round (Suze Orman voice) 5th yr option:

2. Mitchell Trubisky (DENIED)
3. Solomon Thomas (DENIED)
4. Leonard Fournette (DENIED)
5. Corey Davis (DENIED)
9. John Ross (DENIED)
13. Hasaan Reddick (DENIED)
15. Malik Hooker (DENIED)
20. Garrett Bolles (DENIED)
21. Jarrad Davis (DENIED)
22. Charles Harris (DENIED)
24. Gareon Conley (DENIED)
26. Takk McKinley (DENIED)
28. Taco Charlton (DENIED)
31. Reuben Foster (DENIED)

These GMs can't draft. SMDH

Nearly a 50% failure rate...

This is exhibit A as to why the right draft strategy is to accumulate as many picks as possible. With 10 picks you net maybe 2-3 solid starters. The idea of being "surgical" with just a few picks is BS. At this point it's 50/50 that Kinlaw works out for us. Same for Aiyuk. I don't care what you saw on film or what their combine or bowl game performance was. All of these guys in this list looked good in at least two of those three if not all three. There's a reason why Belichick stockpiles draft picks. Not sure why others haven't figured it out as well.

You can draft all busts if you have 4 first round picks and nothing else.

You can draft all busts if you have 20 picks.

Belichick doesn't stockpile picks just for the hell of it. They make their board and draft according to it. Considering they usually pick near the bottom of the first round it's typical to see no guys left on the board you have first round grades on so they move down.

And if you actually look at their drafts they haven't exactly been doing so hot for a while. Just having Tom Brady helps take them a long way and Belichick's brilliance helps on defense.

Quantity doesn't beat quality. Having more picks when your roster is SB team caliber just means less guys from that draft class making the team.

The one thing about Belichick is that he doesn't care about what round you were taken in. So if the later round guy plays better than the early pick...he'll cut the guy drafted earlier.

Originally posted by genus49:

You can draft all busts if you have 4 first round picks and nothing else.

You can draft all busts if you have 20 picks.

Belichick doesn't stockpile picks just for the hell of it. They make their board and draft according to it. Considering they usually pick near the bottom of the first round it's typical to see no guys left on the board you have first round grades on so they move down.

And if you actually look at their drafts they haven't exactly been doing so hot for a while. Just having Tom Brady helps take them a long way and Belichick's brilliance helps on defense.

Quantity doesn't beat quality. Having more picks when your roster is SB team caliber just means less guys from that draft class making the team.

The one thing about Belichick is that he doesn't care about what round you were taken in. So if the later round guy plays better than the early pick...he'll cut the guy drafted earlier.

It's all about probabilities. Let's use a baseball analogy. Is it better to have 1 at-bat or 2? Same logic applies here.

He'll probably venture off to a 3-4 team where he belongs...

Originally posted by genus49:
And as bad as Thomas has been he hasn't caused issues within the locker room or created any problems for the coaches.

Gotta focus on the positive.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
How do you plan for human error?

Attitude changes, lack of Motivation, negative response to new found millionaire status, soft (like Borland), or undiagnosed mental health issues, addiction, or negative influence of a future female companion post draft? to name a few.

If these guys were robots I could understand your frustration, but when you are dealing in human beings... Stuff gets extremely complicated

True but some of these guys were not first round talents, but yet, they get over valued for a number of stupid ass reasons. Hence Soloman Thomas and his combine stats and North Carolina bowl game. There are some guys who scream busts but the GM's draft on "potential"

Originally posted by FL9er:
2017 NFL Draft

1st round (Suze Orman voice) 5th yr option:

2. Mitchell Trubisky (DENIED)
3. Solomon Thomas (DENIED)
4. Leonard Fournette (DENIED)
5. Corey Davis (DENIED)
9. John Ross (DENIED)
13. Hasaan Reddick (DENIED)
15. Malik Hooker (DENIED)
20. Garrett Bolles (DENIED)
21. Jarrad Davis (DENIED)
22. Charles Harris (DENIED)
24. Gareon Conley (DENIED)
26. Takk McKinley (DENIED)
28. Taco Charlton (DENIED)
31. Reuben Foster (DENIED)

These GMs can't draft. SMDH

Nearly a 50% failure rate...

I don't see Barnett's name on that list.

THIS

Don't forget they also draft using a height, weight, speed matrix. No tool they have can measure heart or positive response to becoming a multi millionaire or even a hundred thousandaire for that matter.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

It's all about probabilities. Let's use a baseball analogy. Is it better to have 1 at-bat or 2? Same logic applies here.

Oh right, that's why they consider Baalke one of the greatest GMs of all time?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

It's all about probabilities. Let's use a baseball analogy. Is it better to have 1 at-bat or 2? Same logic applies here.

Oh right, that's why they consider Baalke one of the greatest GMs of all time?

I didn't say stockpile picks and use them on guys with major injuries

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

You can draft all busts if you have 4 first round picks and nothing else.

You can draft all busts if you have 20 picks.

Belichick doesn't stockpile picks just for the hell of it. They make their board and draft according to it. Considering they usually pick near the bottom of the first round it's typical to see no guys left on the board you have first round grades on so they move down.

And if you actually look at their drafts they haven't exactly been doing so hot for a while. Just having Tom Brady helps take them a long way and Belichick's brilliance helps on defense.

Quantity doesn't beat quality. Having more picks when your roster is SB team caliber just means less guys from that draft class making the team.

The one thing about Belichick is that he doesn't care about what round you were taken in. So if the later round guy plays better than the early pick...he'll cut the guy drafted earlier.

It's all about probabilities. Let's use a baseball analogy. Is it better to have 1 at-bat or 2? Same logic applies here.

Meh not a good analogy. I'll take the 1 at bat from my #3 batter over 2 from my 8th and 9th batters

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
And as bad as Thomas has been he hasn't caused issues within the locker room or created any problems for the coaches.

Gotta focus on the positive.

He's stealing money - he knows better than to complain.

Originally posted by GEEK:

I think Lynch nailed it when he was talking about how Thomas needs to gain some strength. We tried too much making him an edge base to DT passing down player. For someone who's already a tweener, when you are a jack of all trades, you are a master of none.

Get him plump, and then play him as a 3 tech or even nose tackle on base and passing downs. He'll fare much better.

He may not have the frame for gaining weight without it taking away his explosion. This was a predraft concern of his and something he noted himself playing at a heavier weight that he felt sluggish. Since we're trying to move him full him inside we might as well give it the college try but much like everything else he's tried to do it likely falls short. He's a good kid but we drafted someone with no position.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can draft all busts if you have 4 first round picks and nothing else.

You can draft all busts if you have 20 picks.

Belichick doesn't stockpile picks just for the hell of it. They make their board and draft according to it. Considering they usually pick near the bottom of the first round it's typical to see no guys left on the board you have first round grades on so they move down.

And if you actually look at their drafts they haven't exactly been doing so hot for a while. Just having Tom Brady helps take them a long way and Belichick's brilliance helps on defense.

Quantity doesn't beat quality. Having more picks when your roster is SB team caliber just means less guys from that draft class making the team.

The one thing about Belichick is that he doesn't care about what round you were taken in. So if the later round guy plays better than the early pick...he'll cut the guy drafted earlier.

It's all about probabilities. Let's use a baseball analogy. Is it better to have 1 at-bat or 2? Same logic applies here.

I get your logic but it's flawed. Earlier picks give you a chance to add better talent. If the GM is good at their job and the scouts are good at theirs you should be nailing as many of your picks as possible.

You nail on 3 of your top 50 picks and odds are those are better players than nailing 6 players from picks 51-100.

Obviously you have your outliers like Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, George Kittle who are best players at their positions but drafted in the late rounds but it's not something that's likely to keep happening.

Pats and Belichick make their draft boards and they evaluate how many players are "first round" guys to them.

Say they have 20 guys they grade as first rounders but they're picking 28-32. All 20 are gone. Either you trade down or you take a guy you think isn't worth the pick.

They're not trading down just because they think more picks later on is better than less picks earlier.

Your analogy with baseball would work if the 1st at bat was somehow worth more runs than the 2nd...the 3rd...etc.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
You can draft all busts if you have 4 first round picks and nothing else.

You can draft all busts if you have 20 picks.

Belichick doesn't stockpile picks just for the hell of it. They make their board and draft according to it. Considering they usually pick near the bottom of the first round it's typical to see no guys left on the board you have first round grades on so they move down.

And if you actually look at their drafts they haven't exactly been doing so hot for a while. Just having Tom Brady helps take them a long way and Belichick's brilliance helps on defense.

Quantity doesn't beat quality. Having more picks when your roster is SB team caliber just means less guys from that draft class making the team.

The one thing about Belichick is that he doesn't care about what round you were taken in. So if the later round guy plays better than the early pick...he'll cut the guy drafted earlier.

It's all about probabilities. Let's use a baseball analogy. Is it better to have 1 at-bat or 2? Same logic applies here.

Meh not a good analogy. I'll take the 1 at bat from my #3 batter over 2 from my 8th and 9th batters

Good way of pointing out the flaw in that analogy.