Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by matt49er:

Why on Earth does this guy have one thousand two hundred and sixty five pages? He's a bust, accept it and move on lol

Because half the people posting in here are telling everyone he's a bust without moving on themselves?

I think half the thread was arguments between you and I and the Soloman's family member who claimed he was the best run stopper in the league. Lol.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by matt49er:

Why on Earth does this guy have one thousand two hundred and sixty five pages? He's a bust, accept it and move on lol

Because half the people posting in here are telling everyone he's a bust without moving on themselves?

I think half the thread was arguments between you and I and the Soloman's family member who claimed he was the best run stopper in the league. Lol.

How do we find the post count (Top posters )for this thread ?

That will surely tell us how it's so many pages

I have no doubt who'd rank #1 on that list.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

I think Thomas can still play well inside but what made him so good was his athletic ability vs guards/centers. On the outside he's not big enough or fast enough to have much impact vs the OTs who are used to playing vs much better edge rushers but I do think his development inside was hurt by his snaps on the outside.

Fishing again. He's certainly big enough and he's certainly fast enough,...go back and watch his combine. He's just not good enough. The answers are the same they've been all along. People just sometimes refuse to accept them due to where he was drafted.

Pre-Draft outlook from a retired defensive end:

Solomon Thomas is the most frustrating prospect I've broken down in four years of doing this for SB Nation. There's not just one thing that is frustrating about him. There are a multitude of things.

Where's the effort?

First, he runs hot and cold with his effort. Part of that is reflected in how Thomas doesn't always finish plays. Y'all already know how I feel about guys who don't finish.

I swear this guy has some of the most embarrassing lack-of-effort plays that I've ever seen. It would be different if he was getting Aaron Donald-type production, but you can't be walking on the film like this when you only have 4.5 sacks and two pressures in five games, Solomon Christopher Thomas.

Oh hell nawl, that just won't do!

When hand size does matter.

Another thing that is irritating about watching Thomas' film is that he actually should have had more than just 4.5 sacks and two pressures in five games. He was damn sure in position to notch more than that.

But, this guy would seemingly find new ways to leave plays on the field in each game that I watched.

He would whiff when trying to tackle the quarterback after cleanly beating the offensive lineman, sometimes more than one, with a good move.

He would have his hands on the quarterback and his hands were either too small or too weak to hang on.

After my first watch of Thomas' tape, about three games in, I texted a friend of mine and said that either Thomas' hands are small or he has a very weak handshake because whether it was missing sacks because the quarterback would break free of his clutches or missing tackles on running backs who did the same. https://youtu.be/eH66vhTk45g?t=7m22s

There were just several times where Thomas got his hands on the guy with the ball but couldn't bring them to the ground. https://youtu.be/Sfxiaw-ngTo?t=5m32s

Some of those missed tackles would have been big plays, sacks, tackles for a loss, or tackles to prevent a third down conversion.

I went back to look at Thomas' hand measurements after watching his tape to see if I was right about them being small. Wouldn't you know it, his hands measured in at 9 and 3/8 inches. For context, that would have placed him in the bottom 10 of the 59 defensive linemen at the combine.

This is one of those times where it actually showed up on tape.

A gifted athlete, but ...My third issue with watching Thomas' tape is that as I was looking for his hand size I happened to notice the rest of Thomas' measurables from the combine.

He is 6'2.5 tall, 273 pounds — similar measurements to Jonathan Allen, Myles Garrett, and Derrick Barnett. Here's where it gets interesting.

Thomas ran a 4.71 in the 40 at the combine.

He had 30 reps on the bench.

Thomas jumped 35 inches in the air for his vertical.

His broad jump was 10.6 feet.

He turned in a three-cone time of 6.98 seconds.

His short shuttle was a smoking 4.28 seconds, a top-four time among the defensive line group at the combine.

This dude is physically gifted, and he checks off the boxes in just about every category you could want when it comes to measurables. Maybe you might want him to be just a tad bit taller, but hell, that would be nitpicking.

Thomas' combination of size and athletic ability means that he should have a lot of position versatility as well as scheme versatility. He played anywhere from zero nose to a wide five on the left side in the tape that I watched, and he flashed at damn near every possible spot.

But man, to be so talented and physically gifted, I would expect a lot more than just flashing now and then. Unfortunately, Thomas evidently doesn't give a f*** about my feelings on the subject.

....I could make you a reel with just his highlights and have you convinced that he should be the top pick overall.

That's just how impressive some of his better plays are.

But his bad plays ...

Plays with the s**tty effort ... https://youtu.be/9_kfbI-2oHk?t=7m20s

Plays when he misses the tackle ... https://youtu.be/zNN3MtfGUns?t=4m17s

Plays when he shuts it down while being in position to perhaps still make a play ... https://youtu.be/SUseQnUGd8o?t=4m50s

Plays where he gets pancaked ...


Those plays make you wonder if he's going to be a bust or not.


.....He was literally walking while the play was going on. That kinda s**t just drives me up a damn wall. Let me say again: Thomas ain't that good to be able to loaf that much, great combine performance or not.

That kind of a lack of effort from anybody is appalling to me and probably to anybody who ever played for Larry Lacewell, Larry Marmie, John Chavis, or Rod Marinelli. But it's especially galling coming from a guy like Thomas because you can find other plays where he is hauling ass. https://youtu.be/Sfxiaw-ngTo?t=4m26s

That shows Thomas knows what kind of effort he is supposed to give on every play; he just doesn't do it.

Again,...this was BEFORE the draft. Notice that there's nothing about too many snaps inside instead of outside or whatever. That just doesnt make any bit of sense and is placing blame elsewhere. The writing was on the wall, but perhaps staffs get cocky in thinking they can fix what's broken right there on film.

The stuff again raises a critical question, as he's now a multi-millionaire: How much does he even like football? How much does he even want to be a great player? Pics with Aaron Donald over the offseason doesn't tell me.

Alot of guys are good at football,....but only a limited number of them are football players.

This s**t is spot on. Dude has so many whiffs and near sacks

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by matt49er:

Why on Earth does this guy have one thousand two hundred and sixty five pages? He's a bust, accept it and move on lol

For the same reason Pettis has 842 pages and he was only a 2nd round pick. At least Thomas was a 1st rounder. People love to rip players as much or more than they like to praise them. Maybe more.

I always see comments like these. Or asking why Staley's thread is so short. That's because there's nothing to argue. Staley is the man. Pettis and Solly have plenty to debate.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Ha..why is everyone on this dudes nuts? He's mediocre. Get.over.it. Do something productive with your lives.

He is mediocre - he realistically is a career backup.

After watching our D play last yr and seeing those guys give it all and leave it all on the field, i got a somewhat different viewpoint of our rotational players. That is, guys like Nick, Dee, ARik, and Buck(now in Indy), just can't move 350 pound immovable refrigerators (who are pushing back and holding like muthas) all game long. There comes a time, when you need to give those guys a blow..So say we have DJ/ Nick/ARik/ Kinlaw starting and on 3rd down Dee. We still have to have good players who can come in and give our guys a blow.

One of JL's best moves last yr was to vastly improve our rotational players, and esp where most needed, the DL. What killed us in the SB was we ran our starters dry, Dee never really played but a couple plays, DJ was gone, and Blair was out. Right about that time it was really nice to have Solly in there. And that is what we have to have this yr...we have to have good rotational players. Solly is one and Dee is another....depending on how his hammy goes. And after that how his knees hold up.

So i think we need more guys like solomon, who are good players, not starters but can come in and give our #1 guys a blow. I suspect he will be out of our price range next yr, but one never knows. Obviously rotational guys should not be making starter money, but point is we need literally 4. Will all the guys we ahve on squad now be good enough for rotational players? Stay tuned.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Groundhog day.

Oh man!!! Here he comes!!! https://t.co/Rtfh16SBps

— Michael Andrews (@49ersMike_NFL) May 23, 2020

That mother fuc*kin shi*t looks like slow motion video compared to mother fuc*k*in Kinlaw.

Solomon has the body, just not the game.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Solomon has the body, just not the game.

Not really. He's a fuc*kin tweeter with no position in NFL.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Solomon has the body, just not the game.

Not really. He's a fuc*kin tweeter with no position in NFL.

You mean tweener?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Solomon has the body, just not the game.

Not really. He's a fuc*kin tweeter with no position in NFL.

You mean tweener?

that sh*it too.

Thomas should be offered up to all the NFL teams. Give them a date and time to submit their best draft pick offer, and then when that time is up, take the best offer. Perhaps we can get a 5th for him, while also saving 4+ million that could be used else where, like helping extend either Kittle or T. Williams. I would lock Kittle up if he will sign a reasonable contract, i.e. 12-14 million a season, as opposed to rumored speculation he may want 17+. If Kittle wants that kind of money, then I would let him play this season out, and start the franchise tag game if needed (Hopefully it doesn't come to that). The highest TE's right now are getting 10.6 AAV Henry (Brand new deal), and 10.5 AAV Hooper (Brand new deal).

Cmon solly. I'm rootin for another Alex Smith type journey but Your running out of time. I'll Always root for this dude. Good man with some sad life events.

I want Solly to do good as well, but his spot is basically taken now by Kinlaw. If we hadn't drafted Kinlaw, then Solly would have basically been playing Buckners spot. Kinlaw is more of a natural fit there though, because he's bigger and stronger. Solly is a tweener, and most likely gonna be a back up going forward, unless he gets a chance on a rebuilding D in need of interior help.

Imagine he gets ten sacks this year rushing in our nickel package 😭