Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by jcs:
Trey lance was a running qb in college. Are we going to try and force him to evolve into a pocket passer .....
It's just a concern.

You obviously haven't seen much college footage of him

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jcs:
Trey lance was a running qb in college. Are we going to try and force him to evolve into a pocket passer .....
It's just a concern.

You obviously haven't seen much college footage of him

Thanks for editing my comment.

His numbers in 2019: 1100 yards rushing and an avg of 174 yards passing per game in his only complete season. I did catch the game that was broadcast in 2020 and caught the few of the recorded games online of 2019 that were released to the public. He can pass in the pocket but he wasn't asked to do very much of it in college and his coaching staff took advantage of his athletic ability in the RPO. It was clear however towards the end of that season that they focused more on his ability to run than pass. I'm not knocking the kid he has enormous potential and an incredible arm and was one of my two fav's in this draft.

The issue is Kyle for me. He's historically an incredibly ridged OC who is not a fan of ad libing and wants his QB to run the plays he's calling to a tee. I think Trey has a unique skillset that may better develop in another type of system that lets him make the call to improvise when he wants. The combination of the two could blow up the league or blow up in their face. We'll have to wait and see how he develops and potentially starts next year but there is no denying he's a huge boom or bust guy right now.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
If you strictly look at performance, sure.

If you take other things into consideration, such as draft positon (which CANNOT be overlooked), what we passed on, etc. it is absolutely the worse pick of my lifetime.

Yep, the draft value of those 3 players combined probably doesn't even get you #3.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
If you strictly look at performance, sure.

If you take other things into consideration, such as draft positon (which CANNOT be overlooked), what we passed on, etc. it is absolutely the worse pick of my lifetime.

Even worse is that they spent the pick on a position that was not the biggest need. The team had taken 2 DTs in round one the previous two drafts. If the team had picked a QB at #3 and whiffed that would be more forgivable.

I'm happy for Solly if he has success but frankly that makes my evaluation of the 49ers 2017 draft even worse.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jcs:
Trey lance was a running qb in college. Are we going to try and force him to evolve into a pocket passer .....
It's just a concern.

You obviously haven't seen much college footage of him

Thanks for editing my comment.

What's wrong with editing out what I'm not replying to? You're saying he's a running QB and not a pocket passer. Maybe you meant scrambling QB? A player that takes off and runs 50% of the game and passes from the pocket 50% of the game is still 100% a pocket passer.

You do know that right? How many of his throws percentage or numbers-wise have you seen from his college film that allowed you to conclude we have to force him into passing from the pocket instead of outside of the pocket? This would be valuable info because of all the sources that disagree with your assertion that he needs to be forced into the pocket to pass the ball.

— Very good pocket movement and does a good job of consistently keeping his eyes downfield. Scrambles only out of necessity and shows toughness in the pocket. Willing to stand in to deliver throws with pressure bearing down.

No matter how complex the play concept was, Lance never looks lost in the pocket. He's able to make his reads and execute.

Trey Lance's pocket presence makes him an intriguing Jets option (Film)
https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/03/06/trey-lance-pocket-presence-makes-him-an-intruiging-jets-option-film/

Like his arm strength, Lance shows excellent pocket presence and can escape if need be, by either rolling out to his right or tucking the ball.

When he can't dodge tacklers, he can rely on his big frame to help him shake defenders free. Lance displayed amazing pocket presence as a redshirt freshman.

He is tough enough to hang in the pocket and make all the throws and also is elusive enough to extend plays often.

Lance displayed excellent poise in the pocket, often making rushers miss or shrugging off sacks. His footwork in the pocket is superb and he might be one of the most natural prospects in the class at climbing the pocket to make throws. When Lance is unable to outmaneuver a defender, he is willing and able to stand tall under pressure and deliver the ball downfield.

I think I can stop there. After making sure that each one of these quotes are from different draft/sports websites,...I cant help but wonder what you are catching on tape that all of these sites are not? He needs to get better (what rook QB doesnt?), but are you sure he didn't come here as a pocket passer?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Biggest bust in team history

being a nice guy gets you nowhere in life, not just football

Way to date yourself.....

What does age have to do with it? He's right.

He's nowhere close to right. There's been FAR bigger busts.

Originally posted by random49er:
What's wrong with editing out what I'm not replying to? You're saying he's a running QB and not a pocket passer. Maybe you meant scrambling QB? A player that takes off and runs 50% of the game and passes from the pocket 50% of the game is still 100% a pocket passer.

You do know that right? How many of his throws percentage or numbers-wise have you seen from his college film that allowed you to conclude we have to force him into passing from the pocket instead of outside of the pocket? This would be valuable info because of all the sources that disagree with your assertion that he needs to be forced into the pocket to pass the ball.

— Very good pocket movement and does a good job of consistently keeping his eyes downfield. Scrambles only out of necessity and shows toughness in the pocket. Willing to stand in to deliver throws with pressure bearing down.

No matter how complex the play concept was, Lance never looks lost in the pocket. He's able to make his reads and execute.

Trey Lance's pocket presence makes him an intriguing Jets option (Film)
https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/03/06/trey-lance-pocket-presence-makes-him-an-intruiging-jets-option-film/

Like his arm strength, Lance shows excellent pocket presence and can escape if need be, by either rolling out to his right or tucking the ball.

When he can't dodge tacklers, he can rely on his big frame to help him shake defenders free. Lance displayed amazing pocket presence as a redshirt freshman.

He is tough enough to hang in the pocket and make all the throws and also is elusive enough to extend plays often.

Lance displayed excellent poise in the pocket, often making rushers miss or shrugging off sacks. His footwork in the pocket is superb and he might be one of the most natural prospects in the class at climbing the pocket to make throws. When Lance is unable to outmaneuver a defender, he is willing and able to stand tall under pressure and deliver the ball downfield.

I think I can stop there. After making sure that each one of these quotes are from different draft/sports websites,...I cant help but wonder what you are catching on tape that all of these sites are not? He needs to get better (what rook QB doesnt?), but are you sure he didn't come here as a pocket passer?

Google Running QB.

Look we all know Lance has shown flashes within the pocket but but in all honesty today he's not a pocket passer, it's something maybe he can develop but the kid is an athletic marvel like R.Wilson, J.Allen and K.Murray who I think will have more success if he's given freedoms Jimmy doesn't have to create. Now does Kyle give him that or does he continue to contain his passes within his system like he has?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
at least Thomas has played and had some good games. AJ Jenkins, Josh Garnett and Balmer were way worse picks.

If you strictly look at performance, sure.

If you take other things into consideration, such as draft positon (which CANNOT be overlooked), what we passed on, etc. it is absolutely the worse pick of my lifetime.

I'd take a Solomon Thomas 3 again over Woods, Jenkins, and Balmer at 29-31. I'd take him over the Nolan and Singletary era of Alex Smith too.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:
What's wrong with editing out what I'm not replying to? You're saying he's a running QB and not a pocket passer. Maybe you meant scrambling QB? A player that takes off and runs 50% of the game and passes from the pocket 50% of the game is still 100% a pocket passer.

You do know that right? How many of his throws percentage or numbers-wise have you seen from his college film that allowed you to conclude we have to force him into passing from the pocket instead of outside of the pocket? This would be valuable info because of all the sources that disagree with your assertion that he needs to be forced into the pocket to pass the ball.

— Very good pocket movement and does a good job of consistently keeping his eyes downfield. Scrambles only out of necessity and shows toughness in the pocket. Willing to stand in to deliver throws with pressure bearing down.

No matter how complex the play concept was, Lance never looks lost in the pocket. He's able to make his reads and execute.

Trey Lance's pocket presence makes him an intriguing Jets option (Film)
https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/03/06/trey-lance-pocket-presence-makes-him-an-intruiging-jets-option-film/

Like his arm strength, Lance shows excellent pocket presence and can escape if need be, by either rolling out to his right or tucking the ball.

When he can't dodge tacklers, he can rely on his big frame to help him shake defenders free. Lance displayed amazing pocket presence as a redshirt freshman.

He is tough enough to hang in the pocket and make all the throws and also is elusive enough to extend plays often.

Lance displayed excellent poise in the pocket, often making rushers miss or shrugging off sacks. His footwork in the pocket is superb and he might be one of the most natural prospects in the class at climbing the pocket to make throws. When Lance is unable to outmaneuver a defender, he is willing and able to stand tall under pressure and deliver the ball downfield.

I think I can stop there. After making sure that each one of these quotes are from different draft/sports websites,...I cant help but wonder what you are catching on tape that all of these sites are not? He needs to get better (what rook QB doesnt?), but are you sure he didn't come here as a pocket passer?

Google Running QB.

Look we all know Lance has shown flashes within the pocket but but in all honesty today he's not a pocket passer, it's something maybe he can develop but the kid is an athletic marvel like R.Wilson, J.Allen and K.Murray who I think will have more success if he's given freedoms Jimmy doesn't have to create. Now does Kyle give him that or does he continue to contain his passes within his system like he has?

You guys weren't singing this tune when he was drafted. He was the total package, and yes, his pocket presence and awareness were as highly touted as his running ability.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:
What's wrong with editing out what I'm not replying to? You're saying he's a running QB and not a pocket passer. Maybe you meant scrambling QB? A player that takes off and runs 50% of the game and passes from the pocket 50% of the game is still 100% a pocket passer.

You do know that right? How many of his throws percentage or numbers-wise have you seen from his college film that allowed you to conclude we have to force him into passing from the pocket instead of outside of the pocket? This would be valuable info because of all the sources that disagree with your assertion that he needs to be forced into the pocket to pass the ball.

— Very good pocket movement and does a good job of consistently keeping his eyes downfield. Scrambles only out of necessity and shows toughness in the pocket. Willing to stand in to deliver throws with pressure bearing down.

No matter how complex the play concept was, Lance never looks lost in the pocket. He's able to make his reads and execute.

Trey Lance's pocket presence makes him an intriguing Jets option (Film)
https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/03/06/trey-lance-pocket-presence-makes-him-an-intruiging-jets-option-film/

Like his arm strength, Lance shows excellent pocket presence and can escape if need be, by either rolling out to his right or tucking the ball.

When he can't dodge tacklers, he can rely on his big frame to help him shake defenders free. Lance displayed amazing pocket presence as a redshirt freshman.

He is tough enough to hang in the pocket and make all the throws and also is elusive enough to extend plays often.

Lance displayed excellent poise in the pocket, often making rushers miss or shrugging off sacks. His footwork in the pocket is superb and he might be one of the most natural prospects in the class at climbing the pocket to make throws. When Lance is unable to outmaneuver a defender, he is willing and able to stand tall under pressure and deliver the ball downfield.

I think I can stop there. After making sure that each one of these quotes are from different draft/sports websites,...I cant help but wonder what you are catching on tape that all of these sites are not? He needs to get better (what rook QB doesnt?), but are you sure he didn't come here as a pocket passer?

Google Running QB.

Look we all know Lance has shown flashes within the pocket but but in all honesty today he's not a pocket passer, it's something maybe he can develop but the kid is an athletic marvel like R.Wilson, J.Allen and K.Murray who I think will have more success if he's given freedoms Jimmy doesn't have to create. Now does Kyle give him that or does he continue to contain his passes within his system like he has?

You guys weren't singing this tune when he was drafted. He was the total package, and yes, his pocket presence and awareness were as highly touted as his running ability.

Apparently giving him time to fully learn the offense and get used to live action again is no longer an option for some fans. I'm looking forward to seeing him as much as anyone but Jimmy is playing good enough right now and he certainly understands the offense and the league better. No need to rush him in there. A spot play or series here and there is fine for now.

Solomon is /was very VERY fast. Not as strong as some of the elite rushers. Not as tall either. He's decent but not elite. ..and that's ok. Now that his sister committed suicide a couple of years ago, his mental stability is probably shattered and he's most likely unfocused. IDK. SO TL;'DR he's decent but not top tier .

Originally posted by jcs:
Google Running QB.

Look we all know Lance has shown flashes within the pocket but but in all honesty today he's not a pocket passer, it's something maybe he can develop but the kid is an athletic marvel like R.Wilson, J.Allen and K.Murray who I think will have more success if he's given freedoms Jimmy doesn't have to create. Now does Kyle give him that or does he continue to contain his passes within his system like he has?

Sounds like a stereotype since you made no effort whatsoever to tell me where he's been throwing passes from if they werent from the pocket in college.

Being able to run and being fast doesn't make a QB an automatic scrambling QB. Believe me, we know what those look like.

Unless you bring some legit intel on the kid, it's just a label you're having fun putting on a player.

I'm a fool for expecting some type of analysis of Thomas's 2021 season.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Biggest bust in team history

being a nice guy gets you nowhere in life, not just football

Way to date yourself.....

What does age have to do with it? He's right.

He's nowhere close to right. There's been FAR bigger busts.

With the 49ers?

No there hasn't. Lol

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Biggest bust in team history

being a nice guy gets you nowhere in life, not just football

There have been several bigger busts. Every coach and every era has seen players drafted high that didn't make it.

I disagree. Imagine telling all the fans that sat and watched every game of the Chip Kelly Niners who were telling themselves "at least we'll get a sweet draft pick out of this horrible season" that the guy they would end up taking would be Soloman Thomas

Kwame Harris, Rashaun Woods, Mike Rumph, Jim Drunkenmiller, Chilo Rachell, Kentwan Balmer,AJ Jenkins, etc weren't third overall picks that were suppose to set the foundation for a new era for the franchise

Bump