Solomon Thomas, DT

For those who wanna trade AA or ST. Why? Just let them compete. AA had a nice year last year and hopefully ST turns the corner. Having a lot of DL we can rotate isn't a bad thing even if one or more are just rotational guys who are good not stars like first round picks are supposed to be

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I think we can package Solo and Aweak to the Pats for a 2nd rounder..

Both Julian Taylor and Kentavius "STREET with No Name" are here for us and will be a lot cheaper... Plus, they'll have the same productions as those former 1st rounders..

I'm sorry but that's really a dumb idea considering you may end up getting a 3rd round comp pick for Armstead all on his own.

While I wouldn't mind trading Armstead considering he's doubtful to be on this team beyond this season, trading Thomas now would be incredibly negligent.

We finally have the players to put him where his talent dictates. Moving him now would be like buying a new car then filling it with diesel. You finally a chance to fix it and instead you turn around and sell the car for pennies on the dollar.

a 3rd rounder for Aweak??

You gots to be kidding right??

if you're the other party, would you really offer a 3 rounder for Aweak alone??

.. the reason I'm suggesting a 3rd rounder from the Pats is because BiliCheat would NEVER give up a 3rd rounder for either Aweak or Solo... it would have to take the both of them...

.. and w/the way they have playes thus far, we wont see any differences if we use Taylor and Streets..

First of all maybe it's just me but I find it really hard to take anyone seriously when they keep using stupid nicknames for players and coaches but keep doing your thing.

Second Arik Armstead MAY net up to a 3rd round comp pick. You may laugh at that and it may very well be a laughable idea but free agency gets people paid. If Armstead continues his growth another team can give him a pretty good contract and if we don't go heavy in free agency that would net a potentially valuable comp pick. He's a young DLman who is scheme versatile and coming off his best year and will likely only look better playing along the other guys we have now. His value should not go down unless he has a serious injury.

Whether it's Armstead, Thomas, Jones or whomever, they will look pretty good playing next to Bosa, Buckner and Ford.

And you trade idea in general was ridiculous. It's one of those fans throw out "let's trade bum A, B, C for a first round pick"

When was the last time you saw a multiplayer trade deal?

Originally posted by matt49er:
For those who wanna trade AA or ST. Why? Just let them compete. AA had a nice year last year and hopefully ST turns the corner. Having a lot of DL we can rotate isn't a bad thing even if one or more are just rotational guys who are good not stars like first round picks are supposed to be

I agree. We've been stockpiling interior edge rushers for years and playing them out of position. We FINALLY have some quality edge rushers and we want to trade away the guys who were better suited for inside before they can actually show what they can do there.

Armstead is the only guy I could see being moved but that's because I simply don't see an extension in his future so it's a case of getting something before he leaves in FA. There may be a comp pick coming back for him but this way you're guaranteed a pick back and it comes in 2020(where we're missing a 2nd rounder already) vs 2021.

But it's probably better for the team to hold on to Armstead and let him do his thing as you never know how things go with injuries whether it's for us or another team which could give us better trade value mid season.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by genus49:

AA was in his 4th year in the NFL. Thomas was in his 2nd year dealing with a personal tragedy.

Armstead started his career out in his comfort zone. Thomas kept getting thrown into a position new to him and barely got any consistent snaps inside until late last year where he showed much better play.

Sollys first year was pretty close statistically to Armstead 4th year. Which happened to be his best year by far. and that first year was much better than any of the other three years of AA.

Armstead seems to be a killer in the offseason. It's been reported a few years already. But then doesn't live up to it or gets hurts.

Hopefully he can prove to be a quality player this year. Definitely not expecting him to play like a number 3. More excited about Blair than Solly or Armstead.

Me too. Where is the love for Blair??? Rather have him than the other two stiffs although AA had a ok year. Love Kyle but his and John's first two picks were whiffs. I know I know it's only year 3 for Solly Tom but I've seen enough. He disappeared for long stretches during his college years as well. That was one of the knocks on him. Well if he doesn't turn it up a notch this year he will disappear from our roster.

Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by genus49:
AA was in his 4th year in the NFL. Thomas was in his 2nd year dealing with a personal tragedy.

Armstead started his career out in his comfort zone. Thomas kept getting thrown into a position new to him and barely got any consistent snaps inside until late last year where he showed much better play.

Sollys first year was pretty close statistically to Armstead 4th year. Which happened to be his best year by far. and that first year was much better than any of the other three years of AA.

Armstead seems to be a killer in the offseason. It's been reported a few years already. But then doesn't live up to it or gets hurts.

Hopefully he can prove to be a quality player this year. Definitely not expecting him to play like a number 3. More excited about Blair than Solly or Armstead.

Me too. Where is the love for Blair??? Rather have him than the other two stiffs although AA had a ok year. Love Kyle but his and John's first two picks were whiffs. I know I know it's only year 3 for Solly Tom but I've seen enough. He disappeared for long stretches during his college years as well. That was one of the knocks on him. Well if he doesn't turn it up a notch this year he will disappear from our roster.

Like when? Why are we making things up? Or are we going to pretend that if a DLman doesn't get a sack in every game he's disappearing?

Originally posted by 9moon:

I think we can package Solo and Aweak to the Pats for a 2nd rounder..

Both Julian Taylor and Kentavius "STREET with No Name" are here for us and will be a lot cheaper... Plus, they'll have the same productions as those former 1st rounders..

Originally posted by 9moon:

a 3rd rounder for Aweak??

You gots to be kidding right??

if you're the other party, would you really offer a 3 rounder for Aweak alone??

.. the reason I'm suggesting a 3rd rounder from the Pats is because BiliCheat would NEVER give up a 3rd rounder for either Aweak or Solo... it would have to take the both of them...

.. and w/the way they have playes thus far, we wont see any differences if we use Taylor and Streets..

Disagree.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I think we can package Solo and Aweak to the Pats for a 2nd rounder..

Both Julian Taylor and Kentavius "STREET with No Name" are here for us and will be a lot cheaper... Plus, they'll have the same productions as those former 1st rounders..

Originally posted by 9moon:
a 3rd rounder for Aweak??

You gots to be kidding right??

if you're the other party, would you really offer a 3 rounder for Aweak alone??

.. the reason I'm suggesting a 3rd rounder from the Pats is because BiliCheat would NEVER give up a 3rd rounder for either Aweak or Solo... it would have to take the both of them...

.. and w/the way they have playes thus far, we wont see any differences if we use Taylor and Streets..

Disagree.

I respect your opinion..

.. on the other hand, it remains to be seen also..

I think the trade scenario from Moon is ridiculous, but as it stands I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine Street or Taylor, combined with DJ Jones would be too much of a drop off.

The team has to work economically, you can't pay everyone and when you have Buck, Ford and Bosa it isn't crazy to operate with the 4th DL as just a guy, bigger guy when anticipating run, faster guy when pass rushing.

All that said we have this year to judge AA and 2 for Solly, the money is paid, let them show if they're worth any more.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think the trade scenario from Moon is ridiculous, but as it stands I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine Street or Taylor, combined with DJ Jones would be too much of a drop off.

The team has to work economically, you can't pay everyone and when you have Buck, Ford and Bosa it isn't crazy to operate with the 4th DL as just a guy, bigger guy when anticipating run, faster guy when pass rushing.

All that said we have this year to judge AA and 2 for Solly, the money is paid, let them show if they're worth any more.

thanx B-Mac... my idea is to trade them as a package if we can get a 3rd rounder.. I'll roll my dice on Solo but at least he can be attractive cause of his non stop motor... I never liked the drafting of Aweak Armhurts so I'm giving him away as a bonus..

I love Solo's attitude, but I've seen enough players like him before and it just was not enough... again, the point I'm trying to make here is that between Julian, Street or even Jones, I don't think we'll notice the drop off.. Ford - Bucko and ALL WORLD Bosa is supposed to get our DL goin, correct.. so a solid back up (includes Ian) would not be too bad..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I think the trade scenario from Moon is ridiculous, but as it stands I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine Street or Taylor, combined with DJ Jones would be too much of a drop off.

The team has to work economically, you can't pay everyone and when you have Buck, Ford and Bosa it isn't crazy to operate with the 4th DL as just a guy, bigger guy when anticipating run, faster guy when pass rushing.

All that said we have this year to judge AA and 2 for Solly, the money is paid, let them show if they're worth any more.

thanx B-Mac... my idea is to trade them as a package if we can get a 3rd rounder.. I'll roll my dice on Solo but at least he can be attractive cause of his non stop motor... I never liked the drafting of Aweak Armhurts so I'm giving him away as a bonus..

I love Solo's attitude, but I've seen enough players like him before and it just was not enough... again, the point I'm trying to make here is that between Julian, Street or even Jones, I don't think we'll notice the drop off.. Ford - Bucko and ALL WORLD Bosa is supposed to get our DL goin, correct.. so a solid back up (includes Ian) would not be too bad..

There's no rush though is what I'm saying. As it stands we've got the cap to do things like AA's 5th year option, and keeping Jimmy Ward if they don't work out they can walk.

When we get to cap casualty stage we won't be able to make those moves.

There's no point trading either of them, if they play well enough to warrant trade value, we'll get the equivalent as comp picks. Just let it ride.

Street will get put on IR again. Taylor and Blair need to play more. Either AA or Thomas should be moved during preseason, but they won't.

Someone will likely get Taylor off the waiver wire and will get a very good player.

The AA/Thomas situation is a FO disaster. Thomas is bust and a total wasted pick. There is no place where he wins.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Street will get put on IR again. Taylor and Blair need to play more. Either AA or Thomas should be moved during preseason, but they won't.

Someone will likely get Taylor off the waiver wire and will get a very good player.

The AA/Thomas situation is a FO disaster. Thomas is bust and a total wasted pick. There is no place where he wins.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Street will get put on IR again. Taylor and Blair need to play more. Either AA or Thomas should be moved during preseason, but they won't.

Someone will likely get Taylor off the waiver wire and will get a very good player.

The AA/Thomas situation is a FO disaster. Thomas is bust and a total wasted pick. There is no place where he wins.

Except inside...and plenty of breakdowns of his work there show a player who can definitely do some good things there.

Originally posted by matt49er:

For those who wanna trade AA or ST. Why? Just let them compete. AA had a nice year last year and hopefully ST turns the corner. Having a lot of DL we can rotate isn't a bad thing even if one or more are just rotational guys who are good not stars like first round picks are supposed to be

Good post.

Originally posted by genus49:
His value should not go down unless he has a serious injury.

Whether it's Armstead, Thomas, Jones or whomever, they will look pretty good playing next to Bosa, Buckner and Ford.

I hope you're not suggesting Player D's value will rise in the eyes of other teams simply because they had an easier time while playing next to players A, B, and C???
If only life were really that simple but no. This is not how free agency and the vetting process works. Teams have plenty of tape to determine who deserves the bulk of the credit before they sign silly, undeserved contracts.