Solomon Thomas, DT

Thomas's technique sucks. He plays square up on his opponent's chest. He used to overpower Guys in college. Not the same in the NFL.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Street will get put on IR again. Taylor and Blair need to play more. Either AA or Thomas should be moved during preseason, but they won't.

Someone will likely get Taylor off the waiver wire and will get a very good player.

The AA/Thomas situation is a FO disaster. Thomas is bust and a total wasted pick. There is no place where he wins.

Oh okay lol

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Thomas's technique sucks. He plays square up on his opponent's chest. He used to overpower Guys in college. Not the same in the NFL.

Are we talking off the edge? Because if so I agree. He doesn't belong out there.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Street will get put on IR again. Taylor and Blair need to play more. Either AA or Thomas should be moved during preseason, but they won't.

Someone will likely get Taylor off the waiver wire and will get a very good player.

The AA/Thomas situation is a FO disaster. Thomas is bust and a total wasted pick. There is no place where he wins.

I agree with most of what you said. I still think taylor is a stud and i hope street can come back healthy.

But yes, aa and thomas are both useless and blair does need to play more.

I do understand on allowing Aweak and Solo play it out this year, but I just think that if we can trade them for a 3rd, we must pull the triggah..

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Are we talking off the edge? Because if so I agree. He doesn't belong out there.

He's just talking mano-a-mano....60's not suggesting the crap technique he sees suddenly turns into "good technique" once he simply slides over a spot or 2.

Originally posted by 9moon:
I do understand on allowing Aweak and Solo play it out this year, but I just think that if we can trade them for a 3rd, we must pull the triggah..

Nah, I don't think so.

AA is a legit run defender who would be considered totally worth his draft stock maybe 15 years ago when pass rushing elitism wasn't such a priority in the league. He would be a valuable DL on any NFL team, even on teams with stacked DLs........and I'm sure he wouldn't come at a first round cost to any of these teams. I think it's safe to say until Bosa and Ford develop that side of their game more, that AA is our best DE edge setter against the run.

Thomas I imagine except in rotational duty will never play on the edge again. Having him next to Buckner on passing downs I think we're gonna see him break through for a few sacks this year.

The problem with Thomas is that there was never a situation where that 1st round pick was ever coming back to the 49ers unless it was before he played in his rookie season. You have to keep giving guys chances until you can't anymore. Hell, I think if Thomas was a 2nd or 3rd rounder I'd still wanna keep him.

Guys, it's not Marsh and Dumervil anymore....IMO it's worth giving them a shot this year to make sure their potential is fully exploited. It's very possible that Krocurek alone might make the difference we've been looking for, but they'll benefit from more than just him I'm sure.

Originally posted by random49er:

He's just talking mano-a-mano....60's not suggesting the crap technique he sees suddenly turns into "good technique" once he simply slides over a spot or 2.

Technique used off the edge isn't the same technique used when playing as a 3-tech.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I do understand on allowing Aweak and Solo play it out this year, but I just think that if we can trade them for a 3rd, we must pull the triggah..

Nah, I don't think so.

AA is a legit run defender who would be considered totally worth his draft stock maybe 15 years ago when pass rushing elitism wasn't such a priority in the league. He would be a valuable DL on any NFL team, even on teams with stacked DLs........and I'm sure he wouldn't come at a first round cost to any of these teams. I think it's safe to say until Bosa and Ford develop that side of their game more, that AA is our best DE edge setter against the run.

Thomas I imagine except in rotational duty will never play on the edge again. Having him next to Buckner on passing downs I think we're gonna see him break through for a few sacks this year.

The problem with Thomas is that there was never a situation where that 1st round pick was ever coming back to the 49ers unless it was before he played in his rookie season. You have to keep giving guys chances until you can't anymore. Hell, I think if Thomas was a 2nd or 3rd rounder I'd still wanna keep him.

Guys, it's not Marsh and Dumervil anymore....IMO it's worth giving them a shot this year to make sure their potential is fully exploited. It's very possible that Krocurek alone might make the difference we've been looking for, but they'll benefit from more than just him I'm sure.

WHEN DID AWEAK EVER BECOME A " LEGIT " RUN DEFENDER... and by whose standard??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

He's just talking mano-a-mano....60's not suggesting the crap technique he sees suddenly turns into "good technique" once he simply slides over a spot or 2.

Technique used off the edge isn't the same technique used when playing as a 3-tech.

Agree. The few times he's been at the 3-technique, he looked like Gary Johnson of the 1984 49ers. If he can get to that level, and play next to Buckner, and then you have Ford and Bosa off the edges - I can see this defensive line being pretty unstoppable on the pass rush.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:
He's just talking mano-a-mano....60's not suggesting the crap technique he sees suddenly turns into "good technique" once he simply slides over a spot or 2.

Technique used off the edge isn't the same technique used when playing as a 3-tech.

It's different and it's also the same. The best technician in the game on the outside would also know what to do with his hands and body if bounced inside. Doesnt mean he'd be an All Pro or have the strength to succeed,....but it's not some totally different sport and we're just excuse-making if we want to create such as storyline for players we want to do better.

But I mean hey...that's great and all that you've heard about the differences...but the poster simply said he has crap technique.

...just seemed kinda off to completely convert his words into what you want them to be (i.e., yet another discussion about being out of position) when he wasnt going down that road.

He made no comments on a lack of speed or agility out there. He thinks he won in college using strength and he's unimpressed with his technique period until he says or sees otherwise.

Just clarifying what appeared (to me) to be a simple statement.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:
He's just talking mano-a-mano....60's not suggesting the crap technique he sees suddenly turns into "good technique" once he simply slides over a spot or 2.

Technique used off the edge isn't the same technique used when playing as a 3-tech.

It's different and it's also the same. The best technician in the game on the outside would also know what to do with his hands and body if bounced inside. Doesnt mean he'd be an All Pro or have the strength to succeed,....but it's not some totally different sport and we're just excuse-making if we want to create such as storyline for players we want to do better.

But I mean hey...that's great and all that you've heard about the differences...but the poster simply said he has crap technique.

...just seemed kinda off to completely convert his words into what you want them to be (i.e., yet another discussion about being out of position) when he wasnt going down that road.

He made no comments on a lack of speed or agility out there. He thinks he won in college using strength and he's unimpressed with his technique period until he says or sees otherwise.

Just clarifying what appeared (to me) to be a simple statement.

You can have the best technique in the world, but if you are in a new position you've not played in - you are going to*think* too much and play slow. I think that's what Mr. '85 was trying to say.

Originally posted by random49er:
It's different and it's also the same. The best technician in the game on the outside would also know what to do with his hands and body if bounced inside. Doesnt mean he'd be an All Pro or have the strength to succeed,....but it's not some totally different sport and we're just excuse-making if we want to create such as storyline for players we want to do better.

But I mean hey...that's great and all that you've heard about the differences...but the poster simply said he has crap technique.

...just seemed kinda off to completely convert his words into what you want them to be (i.e., yet another discussion about being out of position) when he wasnt going down that road.

He made no comments on a lack of speed or agility out there. He thinks he won in college using strength and he's unimpressed with his technique period until he says or sees otherwise.

Just clarifying what appeared (to me) to be a simple statement.

I simply asked where he was referring too....no need to make it something else more than it is. While I agree there are similar nuances of playing across the DL, you are lining up differently and facing different linemen. IMO attacking the C gap isn't the same as attacking the A/B gaps. OG/C aren't usually longer & more athletic than OTs.

Thomas was a DT all through college, he beat IOL with speed/power/quickness and good hands. IMO I don't think he has crap technique when lined up inside. He matches up better vs IOL than OTs IMHO.

It was painfully obvious that he didn't belong on the outside and like 60 said his pad-level isn't good. He doesn't have the skill set to beat OTs and shouldn't be rushing the passer on the outside on 3rd down.

It has nothing to do with excuses, it's simply saying he belongs inside when rushing the passer. Play him at the position that had him regarded as a top 10 talent. I also agree he's left a lot to be desire thus far.

Originally posted by Giedi:
You can have the best technique in the world, but if you are in a new position you've not played in - you are going to*think* too much and play slow. I think that's what Mr. '85 was trying to say.

Thomas simply doesn't have the skill set to win vs OTs. He's an interior rusher....don't think he's a pro-bowler or anything, but he should have more success playing inside.

Originally posted by Giedi:
You can have the best technique in the world, but if you are in a new position you've not played in - you are going to*think* too much and play slow. I think that's what Mr. '85 was trying to say.

Dunno bruh....He was doing 30 on Out Of Position Rd....whereas you just took a left on New Position St.

Might wanna re-check the Excuse Map and I'm sure you guys will meet up by mid-day.