Ahkello Witherspoon, CB

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

The difference is giving up TDs. I don't know the number but most of the TD passes recently have been completed on wisherspoon.

4 in 2 games.

Easily the weak link on the defense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

The difference is giving up TDs. I don't know the number but most of the TD passes recently have been completed on wisherspoon.

4 in 2 games.

The guy is a huge liability and gives up pretty much all our passing tds allowed the last two games. E man is a clear upgrade. We can't afford to give up tds bc our coaches are being loyal

Originally posted by dj43:
I just finished re-watching the game while paying particular attention to Witherspoon and Mosely (who came in for the final 6 minutes).

I don't see the love for replacing AW with Mosely. Yes, AW was beaten on some plays by Metcalf, however, Mosely was beaten as well. On one sideline play, he was 8 yards away from Metcalf when he made the catch. There was no marked difference between the two.

Some commented on spoon allowing too much cushion at the LOS. However, players do not make that decision on their own. That is on the DC/DB coach. For example, on one play in the second half, Witherspoon initially lined up about 8 yards off the LOS. As Seattle deployed, he began to move forward but you can see Warner motioning him to back up.

I'm not here to defend Witherspoon. I am only saying that based on this last game, Mosely does not present a clear advantage. As Maiocco suggests, I expect Witherspoon to be up for the next game and play well, as he has in the past.

You can see all the plays you are talking about just watching the long highlights. I agree Mosely gave up passes to metcalf. I attribute that to getting thrown in the game super cold and adjusting in real time. The pbu was clutch. I dont think spoon would have made that play, based on the prior 54 minutes.

DO you have an all22 where you can see his performance on all the passes that didn't target metcalf?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
I just finished re-watching the game while paying particular attention to Witherspoon and Mosely (who came in for the final 6 minutes).

I don't see the love for replacing AW with Mosely. Yes, AW was beaten on some plays by Metcalf, however, Mosely was beaten as well. On one sideline play, he was 8 yards away from Metcalf when he made the catch. There was no marked difference between the two.

Some commented on spoon allowing too much cushion at the LOS. However, players do not make that decision on their own. That is on the DC/DB coach. For example, on one play in the second half, Witherspoon initially lined up about 8 yards off the LOS. As Seattle deployed, he began to move forward but you can see Warner motioning him to back up.

I'm not here to defend Witherspoon. I am only saying that based on this last game, Mosely does not present a clear advantage. As Maiocco suggests, I expect Witherspoon to be up for the next game and play well, as he has in the past.

Minus the two TD's with his back to the QB (Witherspoon) and the PBU in the EZ (Moseley).

Spoon had a tough PBU early in the game as well. He did have his back turned on the second TD, however, the receiver wasn't just standing still. He was moving back and forth across the end line and AW had to turn to see where he was. It was at that moment that Wilson threw the ball. Bad timing. Bad luck. Bad technique. Take your pick. It looked like a little of all those.

The other one looked like he was playing trail and looking to knock the ball away when it arrived. Sherman has made a living doing that. AW didn't.

All I'm saying is that I do not see Mosely as a huge upgrade of how Witherspoon has played in the past.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
I was listening to Maiocco on KNBR and he thinks Witherspoon will get the nod next game. He said Witherspoon has had a habit of getting soft at times and just needs a good swift kick in the butt to get going again.

I just hope the leash is short.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by dj43:
I just finished re-watching the game while paying particular attention to Witherspoon and Mosely (who came in for the final 6 minutes).

I don't see the love for replacing AW with Mosely. Yes, AW was beaten on some plays by Metcalf, however, Mosely was beaten as well. On one sideline play, he was 8 yards away from Metcalf when he made the catch. There was no marked difference between the two.

Some commented on spoon allowing too much cushion at the LOS. However, players do not make that decision on their own. That is on the DC/DB coach. For example, on one play in the second half, Witherspoon initially lined up about 8 yards off the LOS. As Seattle deployed, he began to move forward but you can see Warner motioning him to back up.

I'm not here to defend Witherspoon. I am only saying that based on this last game, Mosely does not present a clear advantage. As Maiocco suggests, I expect Witherspoon to be up for the next game and play well, as he has in the past.

You can see all the plays you are talking about just watching the long highlights. I agree Mosely gave up passes to metcalf. I attribute that to getting thrown in the game super cold and adjusting in real time. The pbu was clutch. I dont think spoon would have made that play, based on the prior 54 minutes.

DO you have an all22 where you can see his performance on all the passes that didn't target metcalf?

We don't know he wouldn't have made that PBU, he did have a PBU earlier in the game that was textbook. Mosely doesn't get a pass for coming in cold. Blame the coaches if that is the case, but he still has to make plays.

Metcalf was by far the most targeted (12) and it was almost always on the side away from Sherman. He had 6 catches.

Lockett was 6 out of 7. Two were against Witherspoon that I recall.

I don't really care all that much about who plays. It is a slow day and it was fun to re-watch the game.

Wonder who gets the start in our playoff game? Spoon or Mosley

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

The difference is giving up TDs. I don't know the number but most of the TD passes recently have been completed on wisherspoon.

4 in 2 games.

This and he's allowing something like an 80% catch rate against him. That's almost as good as blown coverage.

EMan played 8 games while Spoon was injured and was much better. Our pass D overall was better.

More comp is needed next year. Bring in two corners next year to compete for the 4, 5, and 6 spots-assuming Sherman, Mosely, and Williams are 1, 2, and 3.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

More comp is needed next year. Bring in two corners next year to compete for the 4, 5, and 6 spots-assuming Sherman, Mosely, and Williams are 1, 2, and 3.

Agreed. I'm starting to think CB is more important than WR for us to target in the off-season.

CB, LB, and OL

GUYS, it's not just the Seattle game.. Spoon's been suckin since the 2nd game of the season.. it just doesn't show because our D had played superbly... even against Pittsburgh, he gave up a TD to JUJU because he just can't cover the DRAG route..

the INT he had against the Steelers, he was just at the right place and the right time.. remember the Saints game, he had a chance to tackle the receiver inside the 10 yard line and instead, he tried to punch the ball..

The guy is athletic, but he's got LOW football IQ..

So much of the CB position is mental fortitude, he's mentally fragile. His receiver gets a couple of catches on him, he starts to get frustrated, then soon all techniques and stability goes out the door.

Kinda like Mike Rumph

We've got verrett.... hopefully he steps up

Witherspoon looks good on some plays terrible on others, during the same series. His confidence is going, needs a boost in play or he won't get much playing time during the playoffs. Only problem his backups also get torched.