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  • mayo49
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Hey, what do you know, a free release for Stefon Diggs. Just like the last game vs Seattle, Ahkello doesn't get a god damn finger on Diggs off the line.


If he turns around and looks for the ball he's got a pick - he's got to change his technique.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Jan 5, 2020 at 10:19 PM ]
Originally posted by mayo49:
If he turns around and looks for the ball he's got a pick - he's got to change his technique.

No, that's incorrect and would only exacerbate the space between himself and Diggs. This forum's inability to understand in and out of phase technique is on par with Ahkello's play.

I highlighted the problem, and it starts off the line of scrimmage with the free release.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 5, 2020 at 10:29 PM ]
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by mayo49:
If he turns around and looks for the ball he's got a pick - he's got to change his technique.

No, that's incorrect and would only exacerbate the space between himself and Diggs. This forum's inability to understand in and out of phase technique is on par with Ahkello's play.

I highlighted the problem, and it starts off the line of scrimmage.

Call it what ever you want - the point is he has to stop with the face guarding, because he's not very good at it. I'm not talking about him at the LOS - I'm talking about when he's stride for stride with the receiver and the ball is about to arrive.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Jan 5, 2020 at 10:34 PM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
Hey, what do you know, a free release for Stefon Diggs. Just like the last game vs Seattle, Ahkello doesn't get a god damn finger on Diggs off the line.


Diggs and Theilen praying to god Witherspoon starts.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Call it what ever you want - the point is he has to stop with the face guarding, because he's not very good at it. I'm not talking about him at the LOS - I'm talking about when he's stride for stride with the receiver.

It's cause and effect. "Faceguarding" is the effect of giving free releases, which is the cause. If he jams and obstructs the wide receiver's release, he can stack and squeeze the receiver into the boundary. This allows him to be IN PHASE, and the benefit of being in phase is that he can look for the ball.

Instead, he gives Diggs a free release, and he becomes the one being stacked. As a result, he's out of phase, cannot look for the ball, and has to play the WR's eyes+hands.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 5, 2020 at 11:03 PM ]
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Call it what ever you want - the point is he has to stop with the face guarding, because he's not very good at it. I'm not talking about him at the LOS - I'm talking about when he's stride for stride with the receiver.

It's cause and effect. "Faceguarding" is the effect of giving free releases, which is the cause. If he jams and obstructs the wide receiver's release, he can stack and squeeze the receiver into the boundary. This allows him to be IN PHASE, and the benefit of being in phase is that he can look for the ball.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I still think if he just turns around for the ball, even if he jams him at the LOS, most likely he's got a chance for a pick.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Jan 5, 2020 at 10:39 PM ]
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Hey, what do you know, a free release for Stefon Diggs. Just like the last game vs Seattle, Ahkello doesn't get a god damn finger on Diggs off the line.


Diggs and Theilen praying to god Witherspoon starts.

Yep, they most certainly are.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Hey, what do you know, a free release for Stefon Diggs. Just like the last game vs Seattle, Ahkello doesn't get a god damn finger on Diggs off the line.


Diggs and Theilen praying to god Witherspoon starts.

Yep, they most certainly are.

the crazy thing is that he is stride for stride with diggs and if he just turns his head its a pick or pbu lol
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
the crazy thing is that he is stride for stride with diggs and if he just turns his head its a pick or pbu lol

It's just the angle of that particular clip. If you watch the TV angle, Digg stacks him and made it an easy throw for Cousins.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 6, 2020 at 1:23 AM ]
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
the crazy thing is that he is stride for stride with diggs and if he just turns his head its a pick or pbu lol

It's just the angle of that particular clip. If you watch the TV angle, Digg stacks him and made it an easy throw for Cousins.

Stacked him? What?
Originally posted by mayo49:
Stacked him? What?

You never played football at any level, huh?

THE STACK
Now that the player has successfully been stemmed, we engage the stack. The stack is used to gain vertical leverage on a defensive back.

Why do we stack?

Few Reasons:

  • Obtain vertical leverage on the defensive back
  • Make the throw easier for the Quarterback
Vertical leverage is beneficial because it puts the defensive back in a trail position. In the video above ,the receiver takes an inside release and immediately works back on top of the defensive back.

The stack is a great move to help slower receivers gain leverage down field. Once the receiver has successfully stacked the defensive back, he now controls the situation.

If the ball by chance is under thrown, the receiver can slow his route down (which creates a natural lean on the trailing defensive back), and then speed up to gain natural separation.

HELPING THE QUARTERBACK

Stacking helps the quarterback by giving him a better angle to throw the football downfield.

For example – If the wide receiver just took an outside release an didn't stack, the defensive back would naturally be between the receiver and the ball. This means the quarterback would have to throw an arcing pass which got over the defensive back. Very tough to do.

Now if the wide receiver stacks the defensive back, the quarterback can miss left, miss right, or over throw and the defensive back will have a hard time recovering because they are in a trail position.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 6, 2020 at 1:36 AM ]
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Stacked him? What?

You never played football at any level, huh?

THE STACK
Now that the player has successfully been stemmed, we engage the stack. The stack is used to gain vertical leverage on a defensive back.

Why do we stack?

Few Reasons:

  • Obtain vertical leverage on the defensive back
  • Make the throw easier for the Quarterback
Vertical leverage is beneficial because it puts the defensive back in a trail position. In the video above ,the receiver takes an inside release and immediately works back on top of the defensive back.

The stack is a great move to help slower receivers gain leverage down field. Once the receiver has successfully stacked the defensive back, he now controls the situation.

If the ball by chance is under thrown, the receiver can slow his route down (which creates a natural lean on the trailing defensive back), and then speed up to gain natural separation.

HELPING THE QUARTERBACK

Stacking helps the quarterback by giving him a better angle to throw the football downfield.

For example – If the wide receiver just took an outside release an didn't stack, the defensive back would naturally be between the receiver and the ball. This means the quarterback would have to throw an arcing pass which got over the defensive back. Very tough to do.

Now if the wide receiver stacks the defensive back, the quarterback can miss left, miss right, or over throw and the defensive back will have a hard time recovering because they are in a trail position.

Not organized football, but I see 'Stacked' does mean something.
Yesterdays games had several noments where defenders registered pbus on downfield routes out of trail. The defenders turned around to find the ball of course. Vikings had a couple.
That's Spoon's problem. It often seems like he never looks at where the ball is even when he has a chance to knock it down.
THIELEN will have a field day and break every record in the PLAYOFFS as a WR if 23 lines up across him..
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