Ahkello Witherspoon, CB

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Heroism:

It's the same story every week from his rookie season to now: Ahkello gives a WR a free release, he gets stacked by the WR and that's all she wrote. Imagine being a 6'3", 200 lbs cornerback and not using your size at all.

Exactly this Hero. All it takes is a single jab with that left arm to disrupt that play/route/timing. It's elementary CB play 101. The only time you should see free releases is when playing off man in zone

Yup, that's an issue. They go slant on him so much he finally squeezes inside and then gets torched on a simple uncontested up.

^^^good grief that is hard to watch.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

It's the same story every week from his rookie season to now: Ahkello gives a WR a free release, he gets stacked by the WR and that's all she wrote. Imagine being a 6'3", 200 lbs cornerback and not using your size at all.

Is that the Pac12 in "press" vs. Pettis and Aiyuk? LOL

LOL but It's true NC, that's exactly how it was for both of them which is a concern for me.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is that the Pac12 in "press" vs. Pettis and Aiyuk? LOL

I mean Richard Sherman is from the Pac12, and he's one of the greatest press corners of all time.

It's kinda like there wasn't a defender there.

And then eman comes in, gets shook, recovers, and makes a beautiful pass deflection. Dude has a couple deflections this game I believe. I mention him getting shook because he still had the presence of mind and closing speed to break the pass up.

Mosely should have never lost the job. If he does give up a catch, the receiver typically doesn't get any YAC. Eman was light years ahead of akhello in run support too.

He doesn't have that mental drive.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

And then eman comes in, gets shook, recovers, and makes a beautiful pass deflection. Dude has a couple deflections this game I believe. I mention him getting shook because he still had the presence of mind and closing speed to break the pass up.

Mosely should have never lost the job. If he does give up a catch, the receiver typically doesn't get any YAC. Eman was light years ahead of akhello in run support too.

Oh yeah no question, Eman is a freaking banger in run support. He comes to de-cleat fakas!

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:

Witherspoon was balling out before his injury last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. Dude just needs to play with confidence and make plays on the ball without drawing flags. It's pretty rare to see him just be beaten badly, dude just wasn't making the plays despite being close to the WRs. You're right there man...just break up the play using all those physical tools you have.

Why put so much importance into a small sample size against two opponents that were not very good?

Tampa Bay may not have been very good but they had arguably the best WR duo in the league.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Is that the Pac12 in "press" vs. Pettis and Aiyuk? LOL

I mean Richard Sherman is from the Pac12, and he's one of the greatest press corners of all time.

True. True.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is that the Pac12 in "press" vs. Pettis and Aiyuk? LOL

I mean Richard Sherman is from the Pac12, and he's one of the greatest press corners of all time.

True. True.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:
Witherspoon was balling out before his injury last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. Dude just needs to play with confidence and make plays on the ball without drawing flags. It's pretty rare to see him just be beaten badly, dude just wasn't making the plays despite being close to the WRs. You're right there man...just break up the play using all those physical tools you have.

Why put so much importance into a small sample size against two opponents that were not very good?

Tampa Bay may not have been very good but they had arguably the best WR duo in the league.

Doesn't change the fact they had the most turnover prone QB in the league.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:
Witherspoon was balling out before his injury last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. Dude just needs to play with confidence and make plays on the ball without drawing flags. It's pretty rare to see him just be beaten badly, dude just wasn't making the plays despite being close to the WRs. You're right there man...just break up the play using all those physical tools you have.

Why put so much importance into a small sample size against two opponents that were not very good?

Tampa Bay may not have been very good but they had arguably the best WR duo in the league.

Doesn't change the fact they had the most turnover prone QB in the league.

Who passed for 5109 yards(1st) and 33(2nd most) TDs in the league...

His worst game before he injury was against Pittsburgh where he ended up matched up on JuJu in the middle of the field and failed to make a tackle and JuJu outran our D for a 76 yard TD.

Outside of that play, before his injury he was targeted 17 times for 5 catches and 72 yards. That's pretty good. Even with the JuJu play I'd take that over 3 games and the level of WR he was playing against. After the injury he didn't play with the same swagger. We'll see what happens this year. Perfect case Moseley never gives the job back so we don't have to find out or worry about it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:
Witherspoon was balling out before his injury last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. Dude just needs to play with confidence and make plays on the ball without drawing flags. It's pretty rare to see him just be beaten badly, dude just wasn't making the plays despite being close to the WRs. You're right there man...just break up the play using all those physical tools you have.

Why put so much importance into a small sample size against two opponents that were not very good?

Tampa Bay may not have been very good but they had arguably the best WR duo in the league.

Doesn't change the fact they had the most turnover prone QB in the league.

Who passed for 5109 yards(1st) and 33(2nd most) TDs in the league...

His worst game before he injury was against Pittsburgh where he ended up matched up on JuJu in the middle of the field and failed to make a tackle and JuJu outran our D for a 76 yard TD.

Outside of that play, before his injury he was targeted 17 times for 5 catches and 72 yards. That's pretty good. Even with the JuJu play I'd take that over 3 games and the level of WR he was playing against. After the injury he didn't play with the same swagger. We'll see what happens this year. Perfect case Moseley never gives the job back so we don't have to find out or worry about it.

Toss in Evans had 1,150 yards and 8 TDs and Godwin had 1,300 yards and 9 TDs. Yeah Winston wasn't great but they slinged the ball around end of the day.

Anything Spoon gives us this yr is gravy IMO. I'm not counting on him...wouldn't be shocked if he put it all together, wouldn't be shocked if he's on the butt bench all yr either.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by genus49:
Witherspoon was balling out before his injury last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. Dude just needs to play with confidence and make plays on the ball without drawing flags. It's pretty rare to see him just be beaten badly, dude just wasn't making the plays despite being close to the WRs. You're right there man...just break up the play using all those physical tools you have.

Why put so much importance into a small sample size against two opponents that were not very good?

Tampa Bay may not have been very good but they had arguably the best WR duo in the league.

Doesn't change the fact they had the most turnover prone QB in the league.

Who passed for 5109 yards(1st) and 33(2nd most) TDs in the league...

His worst game before he injury was against Pittsburgh where he ended up matched up on JuJu in the middle of the field and failed to make a tackle and JuJu outran our D for a 76 yard TD.

Outside of that play, before his injury he was targeted 17 times for 5 catches and 72 yards. That's pretty good. Even with the JuJu play I'd take that over 3 games and the level of WR he was playing against. After the injury he didn't play with the same swagger. We'll see what happens this year. Perfect case Moseley never gives the job back so we don't have to find out or worry about it.

Yet no team was interested in Winston as nothing more than a backup QB this offseason. Those numbers clearly didn't outweigh the turnovers which had Tampa trailing most of the season.

Even if you include the Pittsburgh (which he didn't finish) game it's still a small sample size. Now if he was playing at a high level for atleast half a season I could see making a stronger argument for him.