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Originally posted by Blindfury:
QB was fine. The problem was the D giving up almost 40 pts. Sick and tired of people re-writing history to fit their agenda.

The reffing was also atrocious. Lamichael James fumbling inside the 20. So many people to blame but it's easy to blame the QB I guess when it's Kap.

Kap should be the last to be blamed. He was a very raw QB who was following HaRoman instructions. Hell, he even would have run in that TD as well. The kid played his heart out.
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
when does preseason start? looking forward to seeing him out there

Anyways, yes, this, no doubt...looking forward tho seeing him throw the rock.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Kap should be the last to be blamed. He was a very raw QB who was following HaRoman instructions. Hell, he even would have run in that TD as well. The kid played his heart out.

Agree. Its not kaps fault we never should have put the franchise on the shoulders of a pistol run and gun maniac in college who never played a snap of pocket qb in his four years in the desert.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Kap should be the last to be blamed. He was a very raw QB who was following HaRoman instructions. Hell, he even would have run in that TD as well. The kid played his heart out.

Agree. Its not kaps fault we never should have put the franchise on the shoulders of a pistol run and gun maniac in college who never played a snap of pocket qb in his four years in the desert.

It was a smoke and mirrors move that caught NFL defenses off guard and just about worked.

But to 1) not recognize what the Ravens were obviously doing (0 blitzing a young QB and making him beat them) and 2) not call a T.O. and say to the kid, "OK, obviously, they are going to bring the house here...look to Crabtree. But if he looks covered immediately go to Vernon Davis in the middle back of the end zone. He should completely be uncovered. If somehow they don't bring the house, 3 seconds and throw it away... we'll try again on the next down."...was just wrong, and really, coaching 101.

This subtle coaching difference is the difference between Bill Walsh and Joe Montana talking right before The Catch on a T.O. called by Bill and getting his QB prepared and us not winning 6.

It's that simple.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM ]
Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.

jim harbaugh and colin Kapernick (aka the 26 year old "kid")

That's what's simple.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Jun 25, 2017 at 6:36 PM ]
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So I guess the defense SCORED touchdowns then and the offense had nada to do with it. Why does Alex get so much hate? Even when he was a top 10 qb under harbaugh...
Originally posted by NoelC:
So I guess the defense SCORED touchdowns then and the offense had nada to do with it. Why does Alex get so much hate? Even when he was a top 10 qb under harbaugh...

Sadly, Alex was the only one on the sidelines who knew what the Ravens were trying to do and wondered why we didn't have a hot read also.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.

jim harbaugh and colin Kapernick (aka the 26 year old "kid")

That's what's simple.

LOL...that too.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
How did we not win it? How about a HC and OC that were just terrible, and literally pizzed a W away. Blame it on our QB, but to me that was just a 4+ FAIL on playcalling. Our HC and his OC choked. Period.

You can't just blame them. If you're talking about the turnover on downs at the end of super bowl that ended with a play that was a fade to crabs then it's more than just the coaching staffs fault. Yes, some of those plays were poor choices because I don't think a single fade in the corner of
He endzone worked during their entire tenure here but there was also previous plays that had people wide open, like Delani walked etc. so it was poor plays and poor reads by our qb and bad defense by our defense. They were injured but still didn't do a very good job, especially since they were historically good until the injuries happened

It was our staple...totally ill prepared to start the game, wasted a whole half, refs let the Ravens get away with murder because they hated Jim, Jim calls a panicky T.O. because once again, he couldn't get the play off on time, outcoached again, didn't recognize they were running a zero blitz for 4 straight plays so we had no easy outlet even after the T.O., CK stuck to the one read every time, etc.

That whole series was a micocasm of the same issues from coaching to play calling to no QB development.

What NC just said...was exactly what i meant. And no, i am NOT a fan of harbaw. LIked him for two yrs and then he proved he couldn't play call, couldn't develop players, couldn't develop his qb and was an immature kid coaching in the bigs when he belonged in the college ranks. All is well now as he is safely tucked away in Ann Arbor. I am glad for him, but i am delighted for us. Tomsul and Chip? Just bad memories to go along wiht the rest of the last 16-17 yrs. Gone...and forgotten.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Jun 26, 2017 at 7:55 AM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
How did we not win it? How about a HC and OC that were just terrible, and literally pizzed a W away. Blame it on our QB, but to me that was just a 4+ FAIL on playcalling. Our HC and his OC choked. Period.

You can't just blame them. If you're talking about the turnover on downs at the end of super bowl that ended with a play that was a fade to crabs then it's more than just the coaching staffs fault. Yes, some of those plays were poor choices because I don't think a single fade in the corner of
He endzone worked during their entire tenure here but there was also previous plays that had people wide open, like Delani walked etc. so it was poor plays and poor reads by our qb and bad defense by our defense. They were injured but still didn't do a very good job, especially since they were historically good until the injuries happened

It was our staple...totally ill prepared to start the game, wasted a whole half, refs let the Ravens get away with murder because they hated Jim, Jim calls a panicky T.O. because once again, he couldn't get the play off on time, outcoached again, didn't recognize they were running a zero blitz for 4 straight plays so we had no easy outlet even after the T.O., CK stuck to the one read every time, etc.

That whole series was a micocasm of the same issues from coaching to play calling to no QB development.

What NC just said...was exactly what i meant. And no, i am NOT a fan of harbaw. LIked him for two yrs and then he proved he couldn't play call, couldn't develop players, couldn't develop his qb, couldn't and was an immature kid coaching in the bigs when he belonged in the college ranks. All is well now as he is safely tucked away in Ann Arbor. I am glad for him, but i am delighted for us. Tomsul and Chip? Just bad memories to go along wiht the rest of the last 16-17 yrs. Gone...and forgotten.

Never should have fired Jim Harbaugh. Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NoelC:
So I guess the defense SCORED touchdowns then and the offense had nada to do with it. Why does Alex get so much hate? Even when he was a top 10 qb under harbaugh...

Sadly, Alex was the only one on the sidelines who knew what the Ravens were trying to do and wondered why we didn't have a hot read also.

Alex smith a top 10 QB ...his one full season under harbs (2011) he was 12th in comp%, 19th in yards, 17th in TDs, and 17th in YPA.

We were the 29th ranked team in passing, yet we were 8th in rushing and the 4th overall D.

Alex is the definition of a game manager. He's not gonna turn the ball over (only 5 ints that yr) and he's never gonna throw it down field (poor YPA). Our system was perfect for him with the elite D and power running game...ask him to make all these crazy comebacks and you're in trouble.

Calling him a top 10 QB is silly.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NoelC:
So I guess the defense SCORED touchdowns then and the offense had nada to do with it. Why does Alex get so much hate? Even when he was a top 10 qb under harbaugh...

Sadly, Alex was the only one on the sidelines who knew what the Ravens were trying to do and wondered why we didn't have a hot read also.
also talk to the wunderkind DC we had who thought it was a nice idea to have our two all pro healthy linebackers set around playing checkers in pass coverage while joe ate up and exposed our poor secondary that day.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alex smith a top 10 QB ...his one full season under harbs (2011) he was 12th in comp%, 19th in yards, 17th in TDs, and 17th in YPA.

We were the 29th ranked team in passing, yet we were 8th in rushing and the 4th overall D.

Alex is the definition of a game manager. He's not gonna turn the ball over (only 5 ints that yr) and he's never gonna throw it down field (poor YPA). Our system was perfect for him with the elite D and power running game...ask him to make all these crazy comebacks and you're in trouble.

Calling him a top 10 QB is silly.

So why was he benched . He had them at 6-2. Was top 5 in qb rating. During 2012. Benched for being hurt? HE never lost his job due to performance. Ask him to make a comeback lmao did u watch any of the regular season in 2011? They had a s**t load of comebacks and he was the qb. Making smart decisions. What more do you want haha
[ Edited by NoelC on Jun 26, 2017 at 9:51 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NoelC:
So I guess the defense SCORED touchdowns then and the offense had nada to do with it. Why does Alex get so much hate? Even when he was a top 10 qb under harbaugh...

Sadly, Alex was the only one on the sidelines who knew what the Ravens were trying to do and wondered why we didn't have a hot read also.

Alex smith a top 10 QB ...his one full season under harbs (2011) he was 12th in comp%, 19th in yards, 17th in TDs, and 17th in YPA.

We were the 29th ranked team in passing, yet we were 8th in rushing and the 4th overall D.

Alex is the definition of a game manager. He's not gonna turn the ball over (only 5 ints that yr) and he's never gonna throw it down field (poor YPA). Our system was perfect for him with the elite D and power running game...ask him to make all these crazy comebacks and you're in trouble.

Calling him a top 10 QB is silly.

That wasn't an advocacy for Alex starting or being a better option for the Superbowl, just noting there was a quote by him fully aware of what was going on (and HaRoman/Kap clearly, not). Had that T.O. occurred, Alex might have been in those talks with Jim and Colin on the sidelines and could have suggested a hot route or reminded CK where to look once he saw Crabtree was being keyed in on.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 26, 2017 at 9:51 AM ]
Originally posted by NoelC:
So why was he benched . He had them at 6-2. Was top 5 in qb rating. During 2012. Benched for being hurt? HE never lost his job due to performance.

Who cares? You I said he was a top 10 QB and he wasn't and never has been....go look at the history of sports, you get hurt and the guy behind you plays as good or better and you might lose your spot. IF he was a top 10 QB he would have never lost his job and stayed in SF.
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