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Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
The thing I'm noticing is his ability to learn a very complex NFL offense. Shanahan has one of the more complex systems in the league, so the fact that he's getting it is a very good sign. Barkley is said to be struggling some with it and he's been in the league a few years already. I can only assume that as CJ gets more of this system and the concepts under his belt, he may very well prove to be a capable QB in this system. I fully expect Hoyer to have an above average year this season because he has the confidence of being the undisputed starter, has more time in the offense, and has enough offensive weapons it appears.

This!
He's going to be solid. I think he will have a 10+ year NFL fatter as one of the better backup Qbs
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
The thing I'm noticing is his ability to learn a very complex NFL offense. Shanahan has one of the more complex systems in the league, so the fact that he's getting it is a very good sign. Barkley is said to be struggling some with it and he's been in the league a few years already. I can only assume that as CJ gets more of this system and the concepts under his belt, he may very well prove to be a capable QB in this system. I fully expect Hoyer to have an above average year this season because he has the confidence of being the undisputed starter, has more time in the offense, and has enough offensive weapons it appears.

This!

***If everything goes well*** with CJ, I can imagine that we might not need Cousins and CJ is the future FQB. And if that's a possibility, then we can reserve cap capital that would have gone to Cousins to get a freak WR and an elite Pass rusher. I think we should still spend a high round QB pick in this years draft due to the supposed depth of talent on that position this upcoming year. But again I'll qualify it with ***if CJ just simply blows up TC and preseason*** if not, then go back to the original plan.

I haven't seen the guy play with my own eyes yet so all this is conjecture on my part. Until I see him play with my own eyes. I reserve the right to change my opinion.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
https://youtu.be/Df86Te5xg5s

Looks like he has a quick release when the decision is made

This. Looks good out there
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Observers are noticing that since the pads came out, Beathard has been dominating the pre-determined backup pool. Would be something special to see Beathard go into the second preseason game as the #2. Kyle and John are in a luxurious position, Hoyer's gaurantees are paper thin, and Hoyer could crack to pieces under pressures of 2018.

CJ knows he has nothing to lose, and this sort of confidence could have him starting in week six (aka Hoyer's statistical cut-off point per season). CJ is gonna reunite the families, and take the grove back!

I think you, or another poster said something similar. Something like, Hoyer, BeatHard, and Mullins as 1, 2, 3 going into the regular season and Barkley would be released if all goes well with BeatHard. And next year Kirk Cousin? If we had something like Cousin's and BeatHard, wouldn't that be something. Then again, 2nd year - if BeatHard does well, do we really need Kirk? Talk about a very deep position if we had those two.

Regardless of how each Qb plays out, the beauty of this is the way prior to FA and draft, that Kyle and John positioned us. They decided no #1 FR QB so bang, right off the bat get the best QB out there who knows WCO...and kyle. That's not only Hoyer, but a backup in Barkeley. Then we get CJ by moving up 4 slots into end of rd 3, so we are sure to get him. Now we finally have a developmental POTENTIAL FR QB in the wings, who is officially in training. We also have mullens. Then more importantly, we have a great relationship of Kyle wiht the one best QB out there who PROBABLY will come available during FA in 2018. Relationship is already established, and current owner is a horse's patoot, who desperately does NOT want Cousins to come here. Point is things have been set in play to get him here if possible. And we have scads of money to pull it off, way more than WASH.

Looking at it like that, here's a question. Just exactly how could kyle/john set us up to be in a better position to acquire Cousins than what has happened to this point? For a guy we couldn't sign this yr, we surely have been put in the catbird's seat to get the 1 guy who would give us instant credibility as far as a playoff team goes. And John has been working like crazy to get the balance of the team needed in place so when Cousins does get here, the O already knows the WCO. I mean just how much more could a HC and GM do to get us in the maximal position to land Cousins?

And more importantly, what else could John have done to have us get the QB we need for a playoff run? Kyle and john have approached this by every avenue available out there...and had decided on it way before FA started. No matter what you think of our HC and GM, they have done the best job possible in getting us in the best position to land our FR QB next yr. Meantime, if Hoyer, or CJ ends up being "THE" guy, well , they have that angle taken care of also.

Their one best move? Not falling for Trubs or anyone else in rd 1 or 2 as the potential FR QB. It may happen for CHI, but i sincerely doubt it. Kudos to our HC /GM and their handling of the FR QB position. And until next yr rolls around , no one will know which direction we go. But as for being placed in the one best position to go one of 4 different ways... that was a work of art by our HC & GM.
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
Nobody I don't care who you are, can tell Us how successful he is going to be..... however from what we know already is:

He is picking up the new system, a complex system, with dedication

He is making good and bad throws, but he is being very critical of his throws.

He has a natural throwing motion and quick release (can't be easily taught).

He appears to be picking up the system quicker then Barkley

He is prodding Shanahan mind after plays.

I think this kid is dedicated to football and has the mind for it. I don't know if he makes it as a starter yet, but I'll put money on it he will be at minimum a #2 in this league for years to come.

Good post!

I'm w/you.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Regardless of how each Qb plays out, the beauty of this is the way prior to FA and draft, that Kyle and John positioned us. They decided no #1 FR QB so bang, right off the bat get the best QB out there who knows WCO...and kyle. That's not only Hoyer, but a backup in Barkeley. Then we get CJ by moving up 4 slots into end of rd 3, so we are sure to get him. Now we finally have a developmental POTENTIAL FR QB in the wings, who is officially in training. We also have mullens. Then more importantly, we have a great relationship of Kyle wiht the one best QB out there who PROBABLY will come available during FA in 2018. Relationship is already established, and current owner is a horse's patoot, who desperately does NOT want Cousins to come here. Point is things have been set in play to get him here if possible. And we have scads of money to pull it off, way more than WASH.

Looking at it like that, here's a question. Just exactly how could kyle/john set us up to be in a better position to acquire Cousins than what has happened to this point? For a guy we couldn't sign this yr, we surely have been put in the catbird's seat to get the 1 guy who would give us instant credibility as far as a playoff team goes. And John has been working like crazy to get the balance of the team needed in place so when Cousins does get here, the O already knows the WCO. I mean just how much more could a HC and GM do to get us in the maximal position to land Cousins?

And more importantly, what else could John have done to have us get the QB we need for a playoff run? Kyle and john have approached this by every avenue available out there...and had decided on it way before FA started. No matter what you think of our HC and GM, they have done the best job possible in getting us in the best position to land our FR QB next yr. Meantime, if Hoyer, or CJ ends up being "THE" guy, well , they have that angle taken care of also.

Their one best move? Not falling for Trubs or anyone else in rd 1 or 2 as the potential FR QB. It may happen for CHI, but i sincerely doubt it. Kudos to our HC /GM and their handling of the FR QB position. And until next yr rolls around , no one will know which direction we go. But as for being placed in the one best position to go one of 4 different ways... that was a work of art by our HC & GM.

Solid post!
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
The thing I'm noticing is his ability to learn a very complex NFL offense. Shanahan has one of the more complex systems in the league, so the fact that he's getting it is a very good sign. Barkley is said to be struggling some with it and he's been in the league a few years already. I can only assume that as CJ gets more of this system and the concepts under his belt, he may very well prove to be a capable QB in this system. I fully expect Hoyer to have an above average year this season because he has the confidence of being the undisputed starter, has more time in the offense, and has enough offensive weapons it appears.

This!

***If everything goes well*** with CJ, I can imagine that we might not need Cousins and CJ is the future FQB. And if that's a possibility, then we can reserve cap capital that would have gone to Cousins to get a freak WR and an elite Pass rusher. I think we should still spend a high round QB pick in this years draft due to the supposed depth of talent on that position this upcoming year. But again I'll qualify it with ***if CJ just simply blows up TC and preseason*** if not, then go back to the original plan.

I haven't seen the guy play with my own eyes yet so all this is conjecture on my part. Until I see him play with my own eyes. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

The fact that Kyle reviewed the film from the OTA's and felt he deserved a shot to compete for the #2 in TC speaks volumes. That's farther ahead than I expected. Kyle is big on developing QB's slowly and properly (old school). Beathard is certainly expediting his own growth with vigor and that quality is exiting to see.
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
https://youtu.be/Df86Te5xg5s

Looks like he has a quick release when the decision is made

This. Looks good out there

Wow! I'll be a lot more impressed though, if he can do that in pre-season games. My understanding is that QB's aren't touched and allowed to be hit during practice. That is a big deal in my opinion. I've seen the best QB's lose confidence when they get hit by the defense. Can BeatHard shake off a sack and throw a TD in the next play? We shall see....
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
The thing I'm noticing is his ability to learn a very complex NFL offense. Shanahan has one of the more complex systems in the league, so the fact that he's getting it is a very good sign. Barkley is said to be struggling some with it and he's been in the league a few years already. I can only assume that as CJ gets more of this system and the concepts under his belt, he may very well prove to be a capable QB in this system. I fully expect Hoyer to have an above average year this season because he has the confidence of being the undisputed starter, has more time in the offense, and has enough offensive weapons it appears.

This!

***If everything goes well*** with CJ, I can imagine that we might not need Cousins and CJ is the future FQB. And if that's a possibility, then we can reserve cap capital that would have gone to Cousins to get a freak WR and an elite Pass rusher. I think we should still spend a high round QB pick in this years draft due to the supposed depth of talent on that position this upcoming year. But again I'll qualify it with ***if CJ just simply blows up TC and preseason*** if not, then go back to the original plan.

I haven't seen the guy play with my own eyes yet so all this is conjecture on my part. Until I see him play with my own eyes. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

The fact that Kyle reviewed the film from the OTA's and felt he deserved a shot to compete for the #2 in TC speaks volumes. That's farther ahead than I expected. Kyle is big on developing QB's slowly and properly (old school). Beathard is certainly expediting his own growth with vigor and that quality is exiting to see.

I agree. I'm also impressed that he's supposedly outplaying Barkley who is a veteran QB. I mean Barkley's been in several systems so he should be able to pick up the offense faster than CJ. I'm wondering if a big part of the confidence and progress is due in part to his Granpappy who's given him some advice and I'm sure as a little kid he was mixing with the superstars on his Grandpappy's team too. This isn't overwhelming for him as it probably is for a rookie who's had no NFL stars in his family.

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Regardless of how each Qb plays out, the beauty of this is the way prior to FA and draft, that Kyle and John positioned us. They decided no #1 FR QB so bang, right off the bat get the best QB out there who knows WCO...and kyle. That's not only Hoyer, but a backup in Barkeley. Then we get CJ by moving up 4 slots into end of rd 3, so we are sure to get him. Now we finally have a developmental POTENTIAL FR QB in the wings, who is officially in training. We also have mullens. Then more importantly, we have a great relationship of Kyle wiht the one best QB out there who PROBABLY will come available during FA in 2018. Relationship is already established, and current owner is a horse's patoot, who desperately does NOT want Cousins to come here. Point is things have been set in play to get him here if possible. And we have scads of money to pull it off, way more than WASH.

Looking at it like that, here's a question. Just exactly how could kyle/john set us up to be in a better position to acquire Cousins than what has happened to this point? For a guy we couldn't sign this yr, we surely have been put in the catbird's seat to get the 1 guy who would give us instant credibility as far as a playoff team goes. And John has been working like crazy to get the balance of the team needed in place so when Cousins does get here, the O already knows the WCO. I mean just how much more could a HC and GM do to get us in the maximal position to land Cousins?

And more importantly, what else could John have done to have us get the QB we need for a playoff run? Kyle and john have approached this by every avenue available out there...and had decided on it way before FA started. No matter what you think of our HC and GM, they have done the best job possible in getting us in the best position to land our FR QB next yr. Meantime, if Hoyer, or CJ ends up being "THE" guy, well , they have that angle taken care of also.

Their one best move? Not falling for Trubs or anyone else in rd 1 or 2 as the potential FR QB. It may happen for CHI, but i sincerely doubt it. Kudos to our HC /GM and their handling of the FR QB position. And until next yr rolls around , no one will know which direction we go. But as for being placed in the one best position to go one of 4 different ways... that was a work of art by our HC & GM.

I agree. A lot of newbie coaches would have chosen a QB in the first pick with their draft capital. Assuming 50% of the league (and I don't know this for a fact) has a coach with a defensive background, he's outsmarted half the NFL in a sense, by *not* doing the obvious and instead choosing a defender with his first pick. Most defensive minded coaches - like Mike Nolan - have no clue how an offense works, and so they'll do stupid stuff like jumping jacks to pick their QB. Not Kyle, at least I have confidence he won't pick a Giovanni Carmazzi or Jim Drunkenmiller kind of a QB anytime soon. That''s one of the reasons I'd like him to choose a QB with possibly the first or second pick in this years draft. (1) it's cheaper than getting Cousins if BeatHard is the real deal, and (2) it will fire up BeatHard to compete and give his best every day to keep his competitor from being the starter (3) QB depth - too many times you see teams lose their starting QB and lose any hope of the playoffs.
I don't know if Beathard will be any good but he looked like crap at practice yesterday. He threw the ball up for grabs a couple times during the team portion. His arm looked weak to me.
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

Makes sense. He's surely the most pro-ready of the rookie QBs we've had in that time.
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

Makes sense. He's surely the most pro-ready of the rookie QBs we've had in that time.

For sure but MM rarely goes out on a limb like that. I was surprised he even went there.
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