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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Observers are noticing that since the pads came out, Beathard has been dominating the pre-determined backup pool. Would be something special to see Beathard go into the second preseason game as the #2. Kyle and John are in a luxurious position, Hoyer's gaurantees are paper thin, and Hoyer could crack to pieces under pressures of 2018.

CJ knows he has nothing to lose, and this sort of confidence could have him starting in week six (aka Hoyer's statistical cut-off point per season). CJ is gonna reunite the families, and take the grove back!

I think you, or another poster said something similar. Something like, Hoyer, BeatHard, and Mullins as 1, 2, 3 going into the regular season and Barkley would be released if all goes well with BeatHard. And next year Kirk Cousin? If we had something like Cousin's and BeatHard, wouldn't that be something. Then again, 2nd year - if BeatHard does well, do we really need Kirk? Talk about a very deep position if we had those two.

Regardless of how each Qb plays out, the beauty of this is the way prior to FA and draft, that Kyle and John positioned us. They decided no #1 FR QB so bang, right off the bat get the best QB out there who knows WCO...and kyle. That's not only Hoyer, but a backup in Barkeley. Then we get CJ by moving up 4 slots into end of rd 3, so we are sure to get him. Now we finally have a developmental POTENTIAL FR QB in the wings, who is officially in training. We also have mullens. Then more importantly, we have a great relationship of Kyle wiht the one best QB out there who PROBABLY will come available during FA in 2018. Relationship is already established, and current owner is a horse's patoot, who desperately does NOT want Cousins to come here. Point is things have been set in play to get him here if possible. And we have scads of money to pull it off, way more than WASH.

Looking at it like that, here's a question. Just exactly how could kyle/john set us up to be in a better position to acquire Cousins than what has happened to this point? For a guy we couldn't sign this yr, we surely have been put in the catbird's seat to get the 1 guy who would give us instant credibility as far as a playoff team goes. And John has been working like crazy to get the balance of the team needed in place so when Cousins does get here, the O already knows the WCO. I mean just how much more could a HC and GM do to get us in the maximal position to land Cousins?

And more importantly, what else could John have done to have us get the QB we need for a playoff run? Kyle and john have approached this by every avenue available out there...and had decided on it way before FA started. No matter what you think of our HC and GM, they have done the best job possible in getting us in the best position to land our FR QB next yr. Meantime, if Hoyer, or CJ ends up being "THE" guy, well , they have that angle taken care of also.

Their one best move? Not falling for Trubs or anyone else in rd 1 or 2 as the potential FR QB. It may happen for CHI, but i sincerely doubt it. Kudos to our HC /GM and their handling of the FR QB position. And until next yr rolls around , no one will know which direction we go. But as for being placed in the one best position to go one of 4 different ways... that was a work of art by our HC & GM.

If they pass on someone better than Beathard or Cousins, it will be on them.
A work of art would be having a FQB or potential FQB on the roster. Right now the 49ers are just a team without a decent QB.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree. I'm also impressed that he's supposedly outplaying Barkley who is a veteran QB. I mean Barkley's been in several systems so he should be able to pick up the offense faster than CJ. I'm wondering if a big part of the confidence and progress is due in part to his Granpappy who's given him some advice and I'm sure as a little kid he was mixing with the superstars on his Grandpappy's team too. This isn't overwhelming for him as it probably is for a rookie who's had no NFL stars in his family.

Barkley SUCKS... Watched him ride the talent around him for four years at SC. He's NOT going to be a difference maker here.

And as an SC alumni, that assessment should carry a bit more weight as most of us tend to be a LOT more forgiving in regards to SC player assessments.
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

That's some high praise
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If they pass on someone better than Beathard or Cousins, it will be on them.

A work of art would be having a FQB or potential FQB on the roster. Right now the 49ers are just a team without a decent QB.

Way too early to make that claim given none have taken a meaningful snap here yet but I get your take on securing a FQB, which both ShanaLynch have said is their top priority since first arriving.
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM ]
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

That's some high praise

Yeah, when Kyle said his film proved he was ready to compete for #2 and now, with MM's assertion, I'm excited to see him play (with realistic expectations, of course).
[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 7, 2017 at 12:41 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

That's some high praise

Yeah, when Kyle said his film proved he was ready to compete for #2 and now, with MM's assertion, I'm excited to see him play (with realistic expectations, of course).

That's a big deal from MM, he never goes out on a limb for a player like that - he never buys into the hype or hope.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Observers are noticing that since the pads came out, Beathard has been dominating the pre-determined backup pool. Would be something special to see Beathard go into the second preseason game as the #2. Kyle and John are in a luxurious position, Hoyer's gaurantees are paper thin, and Hoyer could crack to pieces under pressures of 2018.

CJ knows he has nothing to lose, and this sort of confidence could have him starting in week six (aka Hoyer's statistical cut-off point per season). CJ is gonna reunite the families, and take the grove back!

I think you, or another poster said something similar. Something like, Hoyer, BeatHard, and Mullins as 1, 2, 3 going into the regular season and Barkley would be released if all goes well with BeatHard. And next year Kirk Cousin? If we had something like Cousin's and BeatHard, wouldn't that be something. Then again, 2nd year - if BeatHard does well, do we really need Kirk? Talk about a very deep position if we had those two.

Regardless of how each Qb plays out, the beauty of this is the way prior to FA and draft, that Kyle and John positioned us. They decided no #1 FR QB so bang, right off the bat get the best QB out there who knows WCO...and kyle. That's not only Hoyer, but a backup in Barkeley. Then we get CJ by moving up 4 slots into end of rd 3, so we are sure to get him. Now we finally have a developmental POTENTIAL FR QB in the wings, who is officially in training. We also have mullens. Then more importantly, we have a great relationship of Kyle wiht the one best QB out there who PROBABLY will come available during FA in 2018. Relationship is already established, and current owner is a horse's patoot, who desperately does NOT want Cousins to come here. Point is things have been set in play to get him here if possible. And we have scads of money to pull it off, way more than WASH.

Looking at it like that, here's a question. Just exactly how could kyle/john set us up to be in a better position to acquire Cousins than what has happened to this point? For a guy we couldn't sign this yr, we surely have been put in the catbird's seat to get the 1 guy who would give us instant credibility as far as a playoff team goes. And John has been working like crazy to get the balance of the team needed in place so when Cousins does get here, the O already knows the WCO. I mean just how much more could a HC and GM do to get us in the maximal position to land Cousins?

And more importantly, what else could John have done to have us get the QB we need for a playoff run? Kyle and john have approached this by every avenue available out there...and had decided on it way before FA started. No matter what you think of our HC and GM, they have done the best job possible in getting us in the best position to land our FR QB next yr. Meantime, if Hoyer, or CJ ends up being "THE" guy, well , they have that angle taken care of also.

Their one best move? Not falling for Trubs or anyone else in rd 1 or 2 as the potential FR QB. It may happen for CHI, but i sincerely doubt it. Kudos to our HC /GM and their handling of the FR QB position. And until next yr rolls around , no one will know which direction we go. But as for being placed in the one best position to go one of 4 different ways... that was a work of art by our HC & GM.

If they pass on someone better than Beathard or Cousins, it will be on them.
A work of art would be having a FQB or potential FQB on the roster. Right now the 49ers are just a team without a decent QB.

Jeez, woo, did you even read what I Wrote? There WASN'T a legit FR QB in draft this yr, hence we didn't pick one with the 2nd pick in the draft. Kyle picked the one guy he thinks has a shot at being that guy, the first time we will have a potential FR QB in training and on the team in what? 6 yrs...or 7 or is it longer than that? Also, Lynch squirreled away an extra early two picks for 2018 to help us trade up for a Potential FR QB if one is available next yr. Kyle has good rapport with Cousins who should finally be available next yr. He got the best guy and his backup as a QB Kyle can work with who knows the WCO.

Really, woo...WTF else could they have done? As for maybe you didn't get your FR QB that you liked this yr, big deal. I'm all in with kyle and John. If kyle didn't like any QB Except CJ, then fine. I'll roll with that. I was all over the board with QBs this yr and if our new HC didn't like any front runners but did like CJ...hey, fine by me.

But what they have done is covered all the bases at QB, including setting us up for draft next yr. plus the Cousins card...and we are in better shape than anyone to get him here if Snyder doesn't screw it up. doesn't get better than that with no true FRQB available in draft.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Observers are noticing that since the pads came out, Beathard has been dominating the pre-determined backup pool. Would be something special to see Beathard go into the second preseason game as the #2. Kyle and John are in a luxurious position, Hoyer's gaurantees are paper thin, and Hoyer could crack to pieces under pressures of 2018.

CJ knows he has nothing to lose, and this sort of confidence could have him starting in week six (aka Hoyer's statistical cut-off point per season). CJ is gonna reunite the families, and take the grove back!

I think you, or another poster said something similar. Something like, Hoyer, BeatHard, and Mullins as 1, 2, 3 going into the regular season and Barkley would be released if all goes well with BeatHard. And next year Kirk Cousin? If we had something like Cousin's and BeatHard, wouldn't that be something. Then again, 2nd year - if BeatHard does well, do we really need Kirk? Talk about a very deep position if we had those two.

Regardless of how each Qb plays out, the beauty of this is the way prior to FA and draft, that Kyle and John positioned us. They decided no #1 FR QB so bang, right off the bat get the best QB out there who knows WCO...and kyle. That's not only Hoyer, but a backup in Barkeley. Then we get CJ by moving up 4 slots into end of rd 3, so we are sure to get him. Now we finally have a developmental POTENTIAL FR QB in the wings, who is officially in training. We also have mullens. Then more importantly, we have a great relationship of Kyle wiht the one best QB out there who PROBABLY will come available during FA in 2018. Relationship is already established, and current owner is a horse's patoot, who desperately does NOT want Cousins to come here. Point is things have been set in play to get him here if possible. And we have scads of money to pull it off, way more than WASH.

Looking at it like that, here's a question. Just exactly how could kyle/john set us up to be in a better position to acquire Cousins than what has happened to this point? For a guy we couldn't sign this yr, we surely have been put in the catbird's seat to get the 1 guy who would give us instant credibility as far as a playoff team goes. And John has been working like crazy to get the balance of the team needed in place so when Cousins does get here, the O already knows the WCO. I mean just how much more could a HC and GM do to get us in the maximal position to land Cousins?

And more importantly, what else could John have done to have us get the QB we need for a playoff run? Kyle and john have approached this by every avenue available out there...and had decided on it way before FA started. No matter what you think of our HC and GM, they have done the best job possible in getting us in the best position to land our FR QB next yr. Meantime, if Hoyer, or CJ ends up being "THE" guy, well , they have that angle taken care of also.

Their one best move? Not falling for Trubs or anyone else in rd 1 or 2 as the potential FR QB. It may happen for CHI, but i sincerely doubt it. Kudos to our HC /GM and their handling of the FR QB position. And until next yr rolls around , no one will know which direction we go. But as for being placed in the one best position to go one of 4 different ways... that was a work of art by our HC & GM.

If they pass on someone better than Beathard or Cousins, it will be on them.
A work of art would be having a FQB or potential FQB on the roster. Right now the 49ers are just a team without a decent QB.

Jeez, woo, did you even read what I Wrote? There WASN'T a legit FR QB in draft this yr, hence we didn't pick one with the 2nd pick in the draft. Kyle picked the one guy he thinks has a shot at being that guy, the first time we will have a potential FR QB in training and on the team in what? 6 yrs...or 7 or is it longer than that? Also, Lynch squirreled away an extra early two picks for 2018 to help us trade up for a Potential FR QB if one is available next yr. Kyle has good rapport with Cousins who should finally be available next yr. He got the best guy and his backup as a QB Kyle can work with who knows the WCO.

Really, woo...WTF else could they have done? As for maybe you didn't get your FR QB that you liked this yr, big deal. I'm all in with kyle and John. If kyle didn't like any QB Except CJ, then fine. I'll roll with that. I was all over the board with QBs this yr and if our new HC didn't like any front runners but did like CJ...hey, fine by me.

But what they have done is covered all the bases at QB, including setting us up for draft next yr. plus the Cousins card...and we are in better shape than anyone to get him here if Snyder doesn't screw it up. doesn't get better than that with no true FRQB available in draft.

The QB position is a giant hole on this team and I don't think they did much to fill that hole so I am uncomfortable with praise of the 49ers QB situation. I feel like the can got kicked down the road again.
Originally posted by Buchy:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

That's some high praise

Yeah, when Kyle said his film proved he was ready to compete for #2 and now, with MM's assertion, I'm excited to see him play (with realistic expectations, of course).

That's a big deal from MM, he never goes out on a limb for a player like that - he never buys into the hype or hope.

Exactly...I couldn't post it fast enough for you guys.
- C.J. Beathard threw a dime to Tim Patrick for a touchdown.

7. Beathard completed a pass deep middle to Trent Taylor. The rookie QB also found Blake Bell for a medium gain. Of note, Beathard received a majority of the second-team reps as he continues to fight his way up the depth chart.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
The thing I'm noticing is his ability to learn a very complex NFL offense. Shanahan has one of the more complex systems in the league, so the fact that he's getting it is a very good sign. Barkley is said to be struggling some with it and he's been in the league a few years already. I can only assume that as CJ gets more of this system and the concepts under his belt, he may very well prove to be a capable QB in this system. I fully expect Hoyer to have an above average year this season because he has the confidence of being the undisputed starter, has more time in the offense, and has enough offensive weapons it appears.

This!

***If everything goes well*** with CJ, I can imagine that we might not need Cousins and CJ is the future FQB. And if that's a possibility, then we can reserve cap capital that would have gone to Cousins to get a freak WR and an elite Pass rusher. I think we should still spend a high round QB pick in this years draft due to the supposed depth of talent on that position this upcoming year. But again I'll qualify it with ***if CJ just simply blows up TC and preseason*** if not, then go back to the original plan.

I haven't seen the guy play with my own eyes yet so all this is conjecture on my part. Until I see him play with my own eyes. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

The fact that Kyle reviewed the film from the OTA's and felt he deserved a shot to compete for the #2 in TC speaks volumes. That's farther ahead than I expected. Kyle is big on developing QB's slowly and properly (old school). Beathard is certainly expediting his own growth with vigor and that quality is exiting to see.
This is exciting especially considering all the QB's drafted ahead are listed 3rd string headed into Preseason all requiring a lot more reps to even be considering challenging for the 2 spot..
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

Makes sense. He's surely the most pro-ready of the rookie QBs we've had in that time.

For sure but MM rarely goes out on a limb like that. I was surprised he even went there.

MM?
Originally posted by cjsmoove:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
The thing I'm noticing is his ability to learn a very complex NFL offense. Shanahan has one of the more complex systems in the league, so the fact that he's getting it is a very good sign. Barkley is said to be struggling some with it and he's been in the league a few years already. I can only assume that as CJ gets more of this system and the concepts under his belt, he may very well prove to be a capable QB in this system. I fully expect Hoyer to have an above average year this season because he has the confidence of being the undisputed starter, has more time in the offense, and has enough offensive weapons it appears.

This!

***If everything goes well*** with CJ, I can imagine that we might not need Cousins and CJ is the future FQB. And if that's a possibility, then we can reserve cap capital that would have gone to Cousins to get a freak WR and an elite Pass rusher. I think we should still spend a high round QB pick in this years draft due to the supposed depth of talent on that position this upcoming year. But again I'll qualify it with ***if CJ just simply blows up TC and preseason*** if not, then go back to the original plan.

I haven't seen the guy play with my own eyes yet so all this is conjecture on my part. Until I see him play with my own eyes. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

The fact that Kyle reviewed the film from the OTA's and felt he deserved a shot to compete for the #2 in TC speaks volumes. That's farther ahead than I expected. Kyle is big on developing QB's slowly and properly (old school). Beathard is certainly expediting his own growth with vigor and that quality is exiting to see.
This is exciting especially considering all the QB's drafted ahead are listed 3rd string headed into Preseason all requiring a lot more reps to even be considering challenging for the 2 spot..

Pro-style vs. Spread.

Boom!
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

Makes sense. He's surely the most pro-ready of the rookie QBs we've had in that time.

For sure but MM rarely goes out on a limb like that. I was surprised he even went there.

MM?

Matt Maiocco
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI Joe Fann ...just said MM said Beathard is the best rookie he's seen since covering the 49ers some 30 years ago.

Makes sense. He's surely the most pro-ready of the rookie QBs we've had in that time.

For sure but MM rarely goes out on a limb like that. I was surprised he even went there.

MM?

Matt Maiocco

duh! cant believe i didnt get that.

Wow though, that is crazy that he would make that comment. Did he say that today? because apparently Kyle Shanahan ripped into BeatHard and the second team offense today. They said Kyle never yells too so something about BeatHard must have pissed him off
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