QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

WOW -- almost 65 picks later and Nathan Peterman still hasn't been picked up. He might be available with our #177. Wonder why.

Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Let me see if I have this right.

Kyle tells the Texans to get Schaub.
Kyle tells the Browns to get Derek Carr.
Kyle tells the Browns to get Garoppolo.
Kyle tells the Redskins to get Cousins,

We hire Kyle.

We then ask Kyle to tell us a QB to get, because he seems to do that pretty well.

Kyle says CJ.

We get CJ.

Our QB guru just chose a QB. Now, at this point, you'd think the fan base would be ecstatic, or at least accepting. Uh, no.

The webzone is a fascinating place.

POST OF THE DAY!

I agree. My greed is only saying get him later lol.

Originally posted by captveg:


News flash: only a "subset of a subset of QBs" could fit Walsh's offense, too.

And that would have been great in 1985.

And now we get his TE

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by captveg:

News flash: only a "subset of a subset of QBs" could fit Walsh's offense, too.

And that would have been great in 1985.

Or view it like the steelers 15 years ago with LBers. The ones that fit what the niners do, dont fit others schemes. This allows the niners to get them cheap.

Originally posted by robniner:
And now we get his TE

the tight end is better than the quarterback

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by thl408:
In this day and age of spread offenses and QBs that operate 99% out of shotgun, these QBs have to be rewired out of so many habits that aren't desired in Kyle's offense. Kyle said it himself that he saw CJ do things that he would be asked to do in Shanahan's offense. It's more than just playing from under center. That's not what 'pro ready' really means. It means making line checks at the line scrimmage, calling out the Mike, identifying fronts to call the optimal run play, progression reads, and the one thing I think Kyle really liked is seeing CJ execute playcation while turning his back to the defense.

One could make an argument that Shanahan's offense is too "old school" and that he isn't adapting to modern football (spread shotgun) to accommodate the QB prospects that are coming out of college. This is what the 49ers hired. He wants to see the QB do certain things. Projecting a QB to be able to audible, learn timing footwork, is a risk Kyle doesn't want to take. He wants to see the QB actually do it on film. This is what drew Kyle's interest to CJ.

welp. There it is. So a subset of a subset of QBs only can even fit in this guys offense.

Meanwhile the league in 3 more drafts will be full of young talented QBs who 95% wouldn't fit in this offense. Great.

"He wants to see the QB actually do it on film." I agree with that but I don't think that implies that he must see it directly on film, just that it is more convincing to see it on film than it is to try to project how a QB would do. An attitude like that surely gives a QB that operates under center and does more pro type stuff like audibles and adjustments a big advantage in Shanahan's assessment. But I bet if Shanahan sees a QB in a spread offense that shows exceptional accuracy, is a natural thrower, tough in the pocket/pocket awareness, quick-good decision maker and overall coolness and leadership, then I doubt he would not seriously consider drafting him.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by thl408:
In this day and age of spread offenses and QBs that operate 99% out of shotgun, these QBs have to be rewired out of so many habits that aren't desired in Kyle's offense. Kyle said it himself that he saw CJ do things that he would be asked to do in Shanahan's offense. It's more than just playing from under center. That's not what 'pro ready' really means. It means making line checks at the line scrimmage, calling out the Mike, identifying fronts to call the optimal run play, progression reads, and the one thing I think Kyle really liked is seeing CJ execute playcation while turning his back to the defense.

One could make an argument that Shanahan's offense is too "old school" and that he isn't adapting to modern football (spread shotgun) to accommodate the QB prospects that are coming out of college. This is what the 49ers hired. He wants to see the QB do certain things. Projecting a QB to be able to audible, learn timing footwork, is a risk Kyle doesn't want to take. He wants to see the QB actually do it on film. This is what drew Kyle's interest to CJ.

welp. There it is. So a subset of a subset of QBs only can even fit in this guys offense.

Meanwhile the league in 3 more drafts will be full of young talented QBs who 95% wouldn't fit in this offense. Great.

"He wants to see the QB actually do it on film." I agree with that but I don't think that implies that he must see it directly on film, just that it is more convincing to see it on film than it is to try to project how a QB would do. An attitude like that surely gives a QB that operates under center and does more pro type stuff like audibles and adjustments a big advantage in Shanahan's assessment. But I bet if Shanahan sees a QB that is in the spread offense that shows an exceptional accuracy, is a natural thrower, tough in the pocket/pocket awareness, quick-good decision maker and overall coolness and leadership, then I doubt he would not seriously consider drafting him.

You know what this pick screams to me? Remember Bill Walsh's rationale for drafting Dwight Clark? He was told he could get Clark as a UDFA, but Walsh insisted on drafting him because he saw a few of the traits he was looking for in a receiver just from watching him catch passes when he was supposed to be evaluating the QB (Steve Fuller).

This pick possesses the most intrigue for me.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Let me see if I have this right.

Kyle tells the Texans to get Schaub.
Kyle tells the Browns to get Derek Carr.
Kyle tells the Browns to get Garoppolo.
Kyle tells the Redskins to get Cousins,

We hire Kyle.

We then ask Kyle to tell us a QB to get, because he seems to do that pretty well.

Kyle says CJ.

We get CJ.

Our QB guru just chose a QB. Now, at this point, you'd think the fan base would be ecstatic, or at least accepting. Uh, no.

The webzone is a fascinating place.

POST OF THE DAY!

I agree. My greed is only saying get him later lol.

Lobo is pretty much the zoner of the day for that post.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Let me see if I have this right.

Kyle tells the Texans to get Schaub.
Kyle tells the Browns to get Derek Carr.
Kyle tells the Browns to get Garoppolo.
Kyle tells the Redskins to get Cousins,

We hire Kyle.

We then ask Kyle to tell us a QB to get, because he seems to do that pretty well.

Kyle says CJ.

We get CJ.

Our QB guru just chose a QB. Now, at this point, you'd think the fan base would be ecstatic, or at least accepting. Uh, no.

The webzone is a fascinating place.

POST OF THE DAY!

I agree. My greed is only saying get him later lol.

Lobo is pretty much the zoner of the day for that post.

Originally posted by awp8912:
And that would have been great in 1985.

Hmm...were you the guy who was complaining in 1979 when Walsh replaced Joe Thomas?

I feel like the "we could have waited to a later round" argument is viable when a team has less than 7 picks.

But SF is gonna end up with 10 drafted players this year, plus the Denver RB.

11 players. Who cares if we lost a 5th rounder to trade up a bit?

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
WOW -- almost 65 picks later and Nathan Peterman still hasn't been picked up. He might be available with our #177. Wonder why.

I wanted Peterman too, but maybe he slid because teams weren't confident about his arm.

"I was blessed to be with C.J. since freshman year and he's just a guy that, he loves football more than anything, other than maybe his daughter," Kittle said.

"But, he lives and breathes it. It's all he cares about. And he is a genius in the film room and on the football field. He knows absolutely everything that everybody's gonna do. And I think my favorite thing about C.J. is just how much his love and emotion brings everyone else around. He's one of the best leaders I've ever been around. I mean, he was a leader when we stepped on campus our freshman year."

http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/04/29/kittle-on-beathard-hes-a-genius-in-film-room-and-on-field/

Originally posted by awp8912:

welp. There it is. So a subset of a subset of QBs only can even fit in this guys offense.

Meanwhile the league in 3 more drafts will be full of young talented QBs who 95% wouldn't fit in this offense. Great.

Or perhaps he realized the same thing about THIS draft that the majority of most everybody did...that the QBs weren't that great at the top.

You don't know what he'll do when he actually has a chance at a qb he feels (and everybody else feels) will be great. I think it's safe to say he didn't feel any was great or he woulda grabbed him at 2.