QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Senior Bowl interview.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by thl408:

In this day and age of spread offenses and QBs that operate 99% out of shotgun, these QBs have to be rewired out of so many habits that aren't desired in Kyle's offense. Kyle said it himself that he saw CJ do things that he would be asked to do in Shanahan's offense. It's more than just playing from under center. That's not what 'pro ready' really means. It means making line checks at the line scrimmage, calling out the Mike, identifying fronts to call the optimal run play, progression reads, and the one thing I think Kyle really liked is seeing CJ execute playcation while turning his back to the defense.

One could make an argument that Shanahan's offense is too "old school" and that he isn't adapting to modern football (spread shotgun) to accommodate the QB prospects that are coming out of college. This is what the 49ers hired. He wants to see the QB do certain things. Projecting a QB to be able to audible, learn timing footwork, is a risk Kyle doesn't want to take. He wants to see the QB actually do it on film. This is what drew Kyle's interest to CJ.

welp. There it is. So a subset of a subset of QBs only can even fit in this guys offense.

Meanwhile the league in 3 more drafts will be full of young talented QBs who 95% wouldn't fit in this offense. Great.

"He wants to see the QB actually do it on film." I agree with that but I don't think that implies that he must see it directly on film, just that it is more convincing to see it on film than it is to try to project how a QB would do. An attitude like that surely gives a QB that operates under center and does more pro type stuff like audibles and adjustments a big advantage in Shanahan's assessment. But I bet if Shanahan sees a QB in a spread offense that shows exceptional accuracy, is a natural thrower, tough in the pocket/pocket awareness, quick-good decision maker and overall coolness and leadership, then I doubt he would not seriously consider drafting him.

Agreed. Supposedly Kyle did want Derek Carr who came from a shotgun offense. My post was to explain why Kyle wanted CJ despite poor production numbers. He obviously prefers a QB that has shown familiarity with concepts that he incorporates in his own offense.

Hard to argue with the qb pick. I watched the combine and I even documented here that he looked the best throwing the ball and had the best delivery. His arm strength is deceptive and his throwing motion is ultra smooth and extra quick.

He is also one of the very few QBs who played under center in college. You can rave about the other guys but they cant even hike the f**king ball yet.

This will prove to be possibly the best pick in the entire draft once Shanahan gets his hands on him.

This guy has the pedigree and he will succeed at the next level.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

WOW -- almost 65 picks later and Nathan Peterman still hasn't been picked up. He might be available with our #177. Wonder why.

I wanted Peterman too, but maybe he slid because teams weren't confident about his arm.

The guy is a gunslinger so he is susceptible to the int.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Hard to argue with the qb pick. I watched the combine and I even documented here that he looked the best throwing the ball and had the best delivery. His arm strength is deceptive and his throwing motion is ultra smooth and extra quick.

He is also one of the very few QBs who played under center in college. You can rave about the other guys but they cant even hike the f**king ball yet.

This will prove to be possibly the best pick in the entire draft once Shanahan gets his hands on him.

This guy has the pedigree and he will succeed at the next level.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Hard to argue with the qb pick. I watched the combine and I even documented here that he looked the best throwing the ball and had the best delivery. His arm strength is deceptive and his throwing motion is ultra smooth and extra quick.

He is also one of the very few QBs who played under center in college. You can rave about the other guys but they cant even hike the f**king ball yet.

This will prove to be possibly the best pick in the entire draft once Shanahan gets his hands on him.

This guy has the pedigree and he will succeed at the next level.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by thl408:

In this day and age of spread offenses and QBs that operate 99% out of shotgun, these QBs have to be rewired out of so many habits that aren't desired in Kyle's offense. Kyle said it himself that he saw CJ do things that he would be asked to do in Shanahan's offense. It's more than just playing from under center. That's not what 'pro ready' really means. It means making line checks at the line scrimmage, calling out the Mike, identifying fronts to call the optimal run play, progression reads, and the one thing I think Kyle really liked is seeing CJ execute playcation while turning his back to the defense.

One could make an argument that Shanahan's offense is too "old school" and that he isn't adapting to modern football (spread shotgun) to accommodate the QB prospects that are coming out of college. This is what the 49ers hired. He wants to see the QB do certain things. Projecting a QB to be able to audible, learn timing footwork, is a risk Kyle doesn't want to take. He wants to see the QB actually do it on film. This is what drew Kyle's interest to CJ.

welp. There it is. So a subset of a subset of QBs only can even fit in this guys offense.

Meanwhile the league in 3 more drafts will be full of young talented QBs who 95% wouldn't fit in this offense. Great.

"He wants to see the QB actually do it on film." I agree with that but I don't think that implies that he must see it directly on film, just that it is more convincing to see it on film than it is to try to project how a QB would do. An attitude like that surely gives a QB that operates under center and does more pro type stuff like audibles and adjustments a big advantage in Shanahan's assessment. But I bet if Shanahan sees a QB in a spread offense that shows exceptional accuracy, is a natural thrower, tough in the pocket/pocket awareness, quick-good decision maker and overall coolness and leadership, then I doubt he would not seriously consider drafting him.

Agreed. Supposedly Kyle did want Derek Carr who came from a shotgun offense. My post was to explain why Kyle wanted CJ despite poor production numbers. He obviously prefers a QB that has shown familiarity with concepts that he incorporates in his own offense.

I'm just not getting this "subset of a subset" talk.....There's been good to great production with a number of different QBs with different skill sets in Kyle's offense.

Take CJ for what he is. At best he'll develop into a backup QB. Just disappointed that they burned a 3rd round pick on him when they could have gone elsewhere.

Originally posted by CrookedCrown:

Take CJ for what he is. At best he'll develop into a backup QB. Just disappointed that they burned a 3rd round pick on him when they could have gone elsewhere.

This was essentially our 4th round pick. (pick #109) We used a 7th to move up a couple spots. QB's taken in the 4th round are usually third string QB's. Backups for at least two to three years. Usually their whole carriers. Every blue moon a QB taken that late will end up being a good starter. It is what it is.


Shanahan found a good QB in the 4th a few years back and has wanted to target other decent QB's mid rounds so we should give the man a little respect. CJ came from a pro-style offense and has some good things on tape.


I've never seen people freak out this much over a 4th round backup/developmental QB. If this was pick #66 they might have a reason to freak out but it was pick #104. (Or pick #109 mixed with a 7th)

This is nothing like taking Druckenmiller at #26 or Carmazzi at #65.



When you say we used our third on CJ it's a tad disingenuous. We used our third on Witherspoon. We used our 4th on CJ. Pick #109 bundled with a 7th.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
WOW -- almost 65 picks later and Nathan Peterman still hasn't been picked up. He might be available with our #177. Wonder why.

I wanted Peterman too, but maybe he slid because teams weren't confident about his arm.

Me too but you have to agree Peterman's ceiling is pretty low. CJ might have less chance of becoming a solid backup but he's got more of being a diamond in the rough.

I actually like this pick now. I like underdogs and it's exciting to have an unknown QB developing. Like playing the lottery. Chances are we'll lose but if we hit (like Shanahan did with Cousins) then we'll be sitting pretty.

I don't mind gambling with our 4th round pick, especially after what we did in rounds 1-3.

I just hate the fact, Kyle said "Hoyer will be number 1"

Like dam Kyle can you give CJ a chance 1st in camp before resulting in this premature conclusion?

Originally posted by CrookedCrown:

Take CJ for what he is. At best he'll develop into a backup QB. Just disappointed that they burned a 3rd round pick on him when they could have gone elsewhere.

Absolutely nobody on the planet knows this. He may flop, he may be serviceable as a backup, he may prove a capable starter, he may make the NFL his playground. Nobody knows. Speaking in such absolutes is silly.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Absolutely nobody on the planet knows this. He may flop, he may be serviceable as a backup, he may prove a capable starter, he may make the NFL his playground. Nobody knows. Speaking in such absolutes is silly.

Facts...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

"I was blessed to be with C.J. since freshman year and he's just a guy that, he loves football more than anything, other than maybe his daughter," Kittle said.

"But, he lives and breathes it. It's all he cares about. And he is a genius in the film room and on the football field. He knows absolutely everything that everybody's gonna do. And I think my favorite thing about C.J. is just how much his love and emotion brings everyone else around. He's one of the best leaders I've ever been around. I mean, he was a leader when we stepped on campus our freshman year."

http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/04/29/kittle-on-beathard-hes-a-genius-in-film-room-and-on-field/

If the NFL doesn't pan out for him, sounds like a capable football coach in the making for Beathard

Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:
I just hate the fact, Kyle said "Hoyer will be number 1"

Like dam Kyle can you give CJ a chance 1st in camp before resulting in this premature conclusion?

As other posters have noted, Kyle's offense is sooo complex that it takes years just to learn it much less master it. Don't worry in year 5 CJ will get to Schaub and Hoyer's understanding of Shanny's O. By then the defense should be rolling as well so we'll be set for a decade plus.