QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Shanahan pushed for Cousins in the 4th in 2012.

Asked the Browns to draft Derek Carr in 2014.

Beathard your up. I will be there when Beathard takes the job.

The one limitation on film is the long ball. May be it's the play calling maybe it is accuracy but i dont see the long ball that will keep defense honest and not play 8 man box all day on us with him at QB. The lack of explosiveness is the reason they lost against MSU and were blown out by stanford in 2015. On the other hand he will be in the hands of Kyle who happens to love the film about him.
When i saw this guy playing i saw some Ben Roethlisberger in him minus the long ball and pocket awareness. I'm confident he can develop that and become at the very least a good back up and maybe our future starter in 3-4 years.
Next year we will know if Hoyer is the answer that enables for a rookie to learn behind him for 2-3 years or if we need cousins badly.
All in all he was a reach late 3rd but as john said it they wanted to sleep well before round 4 that means Kyle had a high grade on him (and certainly ahead of peterman) and didn't want to lose him to another team. They pulled the trigger for foster in front of the saints with the result we know so i dont mind losing a 7th round for a possible future starter at QB.

Lucky guy

Originally posted by 49Fever:

The one limitation on film is the long ball. May be it's the play calling maybe it is accuracy but i dont see the long ball that will keep defense honest and not play 8 man box all day on us with him at QB. The lack of explosiveness is the reason they lost against MSU and were blown out by stanford in 2015. On the other hand he will be in the hands of Kyle who happens to love the film about him.
When i saw this guy playing i saw some Ben Roethlisberger in him minus the long ball and pocket awareness. I'm confident he can develop that and become at the very least a good back up and maybe our future starter in 3-4 years.
Next year we will know if Hoyer is the answer that enables for a rookie to learn behind him for 2-3 years or if we need cousins badly.
All in all he was a reach late 3rd but as john said it they wanted to sleep well before round 4 that means Kyle had a high grade on him (and certainly ahead of peterman) and didn't want to lose him to another team. They pulled the trigger for foster in front of the saints with the result we know so i dont mind losing a 7th round for a possible future starter at QB.

Why so much kerfuffle over kyle saying im kind of interested in this guy, lets work with him.

Its ok webzone. It doesnt have to be any more complicated than that. Thats what mid to low round picks are for. Lets focus on other things and let the relationship take its course.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49Fever:

The one limitation on film is the long ball. May be it's the play calling maybe it is accuracy but i dont see the long ball that will keep defense honest and not play 8 man box all day on us with him at QB. The lack of explosiveness is the reason they lost against MSU and were blown out by stanford in 2015. On the other hand he will be in the hands of Kyle who happens to love the film about him.
When i saw this guy playing i saw some Ben Roethlisberger in him minus the long ball and pocket awareness. I'm confident he can develop that and become at the very least a good back up and maybe our future starter in 3-4 years.
Next year we will know if Hoyer is the answer that enables for a rookie to learn behind him for 2-3 years or if we need cousins badly.
All in all he was a reach late 3rd but as john said it they wanted to sleep well before round 4 that means Kyle had a high grade on him (and certainly ahead of peterman) and didn't want to lose him to another team. They pulled the trigger for foster in front of the saints with the result we know so i dont mind losing a 7th round for a possible future starter at QB.

Why so much kerfuffle over kyle saying im kind of interested in this guy, lets work with him.

Its ok webzone. It doesnt have to be any more complicated than that. Thats what mid to low round picks are for. Lets focus on other things and let the relationship take its course.

Good man, Brodie.

Originally posted by 49Fever:
The one limitation on film is the long ball. May be it's the play calling maybe it is accuracy but i dont see the long ball that will keep defense honest and not play 8 man box all day on us with him at QB. The lack of explosiveness is the reason they lost against MSU and were blown out by stanford in 2015. On the other hand he will be in the hands of Kyle who happens to love the film about him.
When i saw this guy playing i saw some Ben Roethlisberger in him minus the long ball and pocket awareness. I'm confident he can develop that and become at the very least a good back up and maybe our future starter in 3-4 years.
Next year we will know if Hoyer is the answer that enables for a rookie to learn behind him for 2-3 years or if we need cousins badly.
All in all he was a reach late 3rd but as john said it they wanted to sleep well before round 4 that means Kyle had a high grade on him (and certainly ahead of peterman) and didn't want to lose him to another team. They pulled the trigger for foster in front of the saints with the result we know so i dont mind losing a 7th round for a possible future starter at QB.

The long-ball is one of the most overrated aspects of the QB position IMO. Defenses don't generally play 8-in-the box because you can't throw 60 yard strikes, they do it when your QB can't do the short-intermediate stuff worth a darn. We have seen that the last few years. Beathard looks to me to be able to make reasonably long throws with good accuracy... certainly enough arm to keep defenses honest.

Cousins, Hoyer, Beathard... Shanahan loves Big 10 QBs. Maybe Barnett next year?

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

ikr. I mean the Niners drafted some guy named Montana late in the 3rd, but he never did anything good.

Yep, just a rag armed QB from ND that completed 52% and threw as many ints as TDs

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
ikr. I mean the Niners drafted some guy named Montana late in the 3rd, but he never did anything good.

Yep, just a rag armed QB from ND that completed 52% and threw as many ints as TDs

FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Originally posted by Jcool:

FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

I am going to back up shannahan on this one. He stated after the pick he struggled with RG III, who could not transition to his complicated pro style system. HE KNOWS CJ can be under center, and can learn the offense. He also stated he does not look at stats he looks at tapes, players can pad stats by bubble screens and dinks and dunks. CJ had to throw to tight spaces down field, he did this fin in 2015, but last years team lacked talent and his numbers went down, but he played through adversity, a trait shannahan covets.

We might look at this pick in 4 years and laugh how the majority were wrong, and CJ was a great pick, and people will say Deshone Kizer got drafted ahead of him. I heard Kizer was so lacking football awarenenss that he even struggld with what foot to put forward in shotgun.

I'm generally a pessimist, but I love this draft and really like this pick. QB'S were generally being reached for in this draft. If this was the guy they wanted better to go and get him than to roll the dice on conventional draft position wisdom. You obviously need to be more careful with picks in the top fifty but after that if you got a guy you like and you don't want to risk losing him, go get it, especially at qb. And even more so if its Kyle Shanahan who wanted him.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
McShay was in ESPN today explaining the pick and was all in all, POSITIVE about the selection. I bet he's giving Kyle some slack too, deservingly so. Time,will,tell. If anyone is against the selection,slap yourself for thinking you know more

Totally agree

Yep

If you watched John Lynch's interview with Trey Wingo yesterday, Lynch mentioned that they knew teams had a 3rd and 4th round grade on him. So rather than wait they felt like they had to take him right away. And that was exactly my thinking, any time you see a team trade up for a player it's because of fear of another team taking him. I'm good with the pick, Beathard was exactly the type of QB I knew Shanahan wanted.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:
FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

If you really want to be honest about it...

We just drafted the first QB from a pro ready system since Elvis Grbac.

Let that one sink in...

Bethard is a solid prospect. Beat Michigan this year even with that depleted bunch at Iowa. 21-7 as a starter. 2.5 to 1 TD to INT. Rocket arm. Good mobility. Solid at the LOS and presnap. Familiar with progressions.

A lot to like about that pick.