QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:
FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

Originally posted by reasonable1:
If you really want to be honest about it...

We just drafted the first QB from a pro ready system since Elvis Grbac.

Let that one sink in...

Bethard is a solid prospect. Beat Michigan this year even with that depleted bunch at Iowa. 21-7 as a starter. 2.5 to 1 TD to INT. Rocket arm. Good mobility. Solid at the LOS and presnap. Familiar with progressions.

A lot to like about that pick.

Ken Dorsey says WHAT!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:

FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:

FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

21 year old Sam Darnold >>>> 30 year old Kirk Cousins IMO

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:
FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

And what's wrong with that??

No guarantees Darnold develops and we already know what Cousins can do.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:

FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

And what's wrong with that??

No guarantees Darnold develops and we already know what Cousins can do.

Dont believe Cousins will be made available he's going to get a long term deal IMO.

Out of all the QBs next year only Josh Rosen will be considered IMO he has above and beyond the best mechanics according to Matt Miller and that's what Shanny likes. Darnold has poor mechanics.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:

FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

And what's wrong with that??

No guarantees Darnold develops and we already know what Cousins can do.

Ya I get that. But by all accounts Darnold is the next Luck (as in can't miss) but we'll see if Kyle sees it the same way. We also wouldn't have to pay 23+ mil a year to Cousins, which hurts the rest of the team. We'd get Darnold for cheap for the next 5 years. Five years from now we would be looking for Cousin's eventual replacement opposed to Donald who would be in his prime. Maybe take both? But if we were in position to take Donald and don't take him we sure could get a kings ranson.

Originally posted by KID9R:

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

Featuring a lot of quick passes and bubble screens.


Both Beathard and Peterman were in pro style offenses that featured a lot of basic half field reads and simple passing plays. Its good that they were exposed to various pro concepts and in Beathard's case he played a lot under center but the throws they were asked to make werent much more complex than an average spread offense.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Ya I get that. But by all accounts Darnold is the next Luck (as in can't miss)

I remember when Barkley, Sanchez and Leinart were "cant miss" QB prospects too. Then you have Jake Locker, Deshaun Watson....etc.


Let's see what Darnold does this season. He's a very nice prospect but the hype is unreal right now.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Jcool:
FWIW 52% in 1979 was different then 52% in 2017.

Yeah it probably translates into about 60-61% today. 67% led the nation in '79 of course that was a Stanford QB running what I assume was still Bill's offense.

Point being, nobody really knows who's gonna be great. Im in no way saying CJ is gonna be Joe but the outrage over this pick is a little misquided imo.

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

And that's exactly what Shanahan talked about when comp% was brought up. But in any case, it's a 3rd round pick, a late 3rd at that not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th overall pick. I see Beathard as a back up QB who'll be sitting on the bench well pass his rookie contract and even longer if Cousins or Garoppolo are brought in.

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

21 year old Sam Darnold >>>> 30 year old Kirk Cousins IMO

If Sam Darnold maintains the hype and continues to improve then I'm 80% sure he goes #1 overall if not top 3. And I don't think the 49ers record will be bad enough where it earns the 49ers a top 3 pick nor do I think Shanahan will take a QB in the 1sr round any time soon. I think in one of Shanahan's recent interviews he was quoted saying something of the sort that drafting a QB in the 1st round puts tremendous amount of pressure on you.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KID9R:

It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

Featuring a lot of quick passes and bubble screens.



Both Beathard and Peterman were in pro style offenses that featured a lot of basic half field reads and simple passing plays. Its good that they were exposed to various pro concepts and in Beathard's case he played a lot under center but the throws they were asked to make werent much more complex than an average spread offense.

I'll take Kyle's word for it seeing on how much tape he actually watched of him. He literally said that's why his completion percentages would be lower than a lot of spread quarterbacks that do a lot of bubbles screens and easy passes in his post draft press conference .

Originally posted by KID9R:

I want/ think we'll get Cousins next year as well but what scares me is that we'll be bad enough to get Sam Darnold next year and NOT take him because Kyle wants Cousins.

By the 2018 draft we'll know if Cousins is on our roster or not...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Ya I get that. But by all accounts Darnold is the next Luck (as in can't miss)

I remember when Barkley, Sanchez and Leinart were "cant miss" QB prospects too. Then you have Jake Locker, Deshaun Watson....etc.


Let's see what Darnold does this season. He's a very nice prospect but the hype is unreal right now.

Nobody ever said that Barkley Sanchez Leinhart Jake locker DeShawn Watson we're can't miss quarterbacks DURING the draft process like Luck and Manning were. Maybe the year before they came out some people did, like the way I'm doing with Darnold. but like I said we don't have to make that decision until next year because Cousin's is an available till then anyways.

The same way I'm speculating that Darnold Will be looked at like Andrew luck people are speculating that Kurt cousins will even be available. It's all just what if's

Originally posted by KID9R:

21 year old Sam Darnold >>>> 30 year old Kirk Cousins IMO

We will not be in a position to draft Darnold next year. We were historically bad last year, and we still couldn't secure the #1 pick in the draft. If he is as good as you say he is, the worst team in the NFL will draft him and wouldn't be willing to trade him to anyone. Even if they were, we would have to trade the farm to get him.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KID9R:

21 year old Sam Darnold >>>> 30 year old Kirk Cousins IMO

We will not be in a position to draft Darnold next year. We were historically bad last year, and we still couldn't secure the #1 pick in the draft. If he is as good as you say he is, the worst team in the NFL will draft him and wouldn't be willing to trade him to anyone. Even if they were, we would have to trade the farm to get him.

Ya, I didn't think we'd be that bad last year but now we have Hoyer as our quarterback.
But we'll see, the Jets, Bears and Browns seem pretty bad still. I don't want us to lose by any means.