QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by KID9R:

No kidding LOL. The guy wanted the McDaniels so bad as HC that he criticizes everything and anything Kyle has done. Hasn't coached a game and none of the players chosen have played. LOL Do we not remember that McDaniels thought Tebow was a 1st round pick? What has McDaniels done without Bill and the best QB in NFL history?

What has Brady done in the last decade without McDaniels..........

What hasn't McDainels done without Tom Brady.....

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KID9R:
It would for a QB a spread offence with a lot of quick passes and bubble screens. But CJ was running a pro style. But ya, the rules nowadays would still increase it a little.

Featuring a lot of quick passes and bubble screens.

Both Beathard and Peterman were in pro style offenses that featured a lot of basic half field reads and simple passing plays. Its good that they were exposed to various pro concepts and in Beathard's case he played a lot under center but the throws they were asked to make werent much more complex than an average spread offense.

Correct on the throws...but it's all the pre and post snap reads, checks at the LOS, footwork, timing, manipulation of S's with the eyes, throws for optimal YAC, language/verbiage (a big one), reps doing it all, etc.

Originally posted by KID9R:
Won the AFC, League MVP and Top 6, 3, 1 offences in the years McDaniels wasn't there. You Know the same sort of things a was doing BEFORE McDaniels was OC.
LOL, nice logic.
But really what has McDaniels done without Ernie Adams Football research director. Hmmmmm I'll wait. LOL

Had his best season of all time in that 2007 undefeated season........... 4,806 passing yards, 50tds!! 18-0...........yeah dude is garbage

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by KID9R:
Won the AFC, League MVP and Top 6, 3, 1 offences in the years McDaniels wasn't there. You Know the same sort of things a was doing BEFORE McDaniels was OC.
LOL, nice logic.
But really what has McDaniels done without Ernie Adams Football research director. Hmmmmm I'll wait. LOL

Had his best season of all time in that 2007 undefeated season........... 4,806 passing yards, 50tds!! 18-0...........yeah dude is garbage

Yeah it had nothing to do with Brady being the greatest quarterback of all time, Bill being the greatest coach of all time, and have one of the greatest why receivers of all time on their team. Brady was running that offence and winning Super Bowls before McDaniels was running it. If McDaniels is so great why does he fail when he's not with The patriots. I'm not even saying McDaniels is that bad but you lose all credibility when you only criticize Kyle because you didn't get your guy.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Completion percentage on passes over 20 yards was under 30% for his college career. That sort of deep ball accuracy put him nearly last in his QB draft class and would be last among NFL starters.

I haven't watched the film, so I don't know why it is low. However, there are multiple reason why that stats can be skewed.

1. Drops
2. Playing against good secondaries
3.He plays in a run 1st offense. So sometimes a deep incompletion is just as good as a completion to soften up the run defense. Maybe he took shots putting it where only his WRs could get them.
4. A lot of play action passes, which means there could have been a lot of one man routes, if the WR was doubled, he would be coached to throw the ball away.
5. He only threw 300 passes total last year. How many of those were deep balls? With less passes thrown, each incompletion has a greater affect on your average.

Like I said, I have not seen the film, so these are only plausible explanations for why his accuracy numbers could have been low. What I did see is when he did complete balls, the WRs were catching the ball in stride and/or he was completing balls to WR who were covered.

If you have time, look at his highlights compared to driskell's highlights. Driskell completed more passes for a higher percentage, but watch how many times his receivers had to stop, jump, dive, or reach for the ball when they catch it.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by KID9R:
Won the AFC, League MVP and Top 6, 3, 1 offences in the years McDaniels wasn't there. You Know the same sort of things a was doing BEFORE McDaniels was OC.
LOL, nice logic.
But really what has McDaniels done without Ernie Adams Football research director. Hmmmmm I'll wait. LOL

Had his best season of all time in that 2007 undefeated season........... 4,806 passing yards, 50tds!! 18-0...........yeah dude is garbage

Yeah it had nothing to do with Brady being the greatest quarterback of all time, Bill being the greatest coach of all time, and have one of the greatest why receivers of all time on their team. Brady was running that offence and winning Super Bowls before McDaniels was running it. If McDaniels is so great why does he feel when he's not with The patriots. I'm not even saying McDaniels is that bad but you lose all credibility when you only criticize Kyle because he didn't get your guy.

his passion for trolling is inspiring though.

I hope this front office does this every year, and drafts a mid round QB to develop. Some will work out and be trade bait or a quality QB. Others won't. At least we won't ever be in the situation we were in this year, not a single QB on the roster. Love the strategy, trust the Shanahan.

Not sure if already posted but CJ reminds me of Sunshine from Remember the Titans.

I know it's a long shot, but I hope CJ B. is our next franchise QB so we can stop chasing one and start contending.

Originally posted by dj43:
I will repeat here what I said yesterday: Shanahan did not move up in the draft, albeit is small one, to draft a career backup. He saw enough of him to believe he can be a starter at some point, perhaps even a very good one. The fact there were other quality players available to the 49ers at the point they chose Beatherd should tells us they have "starter" written on him at some point. I just do not believe Lynch could do such a good job in selection players that will help the team on every other pick and completely blow this one. I just cannot think that.

CJ is in a great situation coming in as the #3. It is a much better position for a young guy to be in than the backup. As the #3, he can focus on watching and learning rather than constantly thinking that he may have to grab his helmet and go into the game at a moment's notice. As #3 he can record data and take a broader view of the game. He is free from all the pressure. In the long run, when he does get his chance to play, he will be much more confident and ready to go.

Despite what some of the very respected posters here have said, I am fine with this pick.

Hoyers only signed for two years, is that right? The plan may be for Beathard to be no more than Cousins backup for the rest of his career.
He may have the same traits Cousins had coming out and Shanahan sees a good match to develop a like QB as #2

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KID9R:
21 year old Sam Darnold >>>> 30 year old Kirk Cousins IMO

We will not be in a position to draft Darnold next year. We were historically bad last year, and we still couldn't secure the #1 pick in the draft. If he is as good as you say he is, the worst team in the NFL will draft him and wouldn't be willing to trade him to anyone. Even if they were, we would have to trade the farm to get him.

You nailed it! They purposely drafted the worst QB in the draft in order to get that #1 pick for next year.
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Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KID9R:
21 year old Sam Darnold >>>> 30 year old Kirk Cousins IMO

We will not be in a position to draft Darnold next year. We were historically bad last year, and we still couldn't secure the #1 pick in the draft. If he is as good as you say he is, the worst team in the NFL will draft him and wouldn't be willing to trade him to anyone. Even if they were, we would have to trade the farm to get him.

You nailed it! They purposely drafted the worst QB in the draft in order to get that #1 pick for next year.
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Nobody remotely implied that.

the quetion everyone should be asking is DID WE TRADE BACK UP ON THE 3RD ROUND TO DRAFT A QB TO COMPETE AS A 2ND vs MATT BARKLEY or DO WE REALLY SEE A FUTURE IN BEATHARD AS A STARTER???

Here is how I see this pick:

This is the quarterback that Kyle liked the most in the draft. He thinks that he has the best skill set and tools that will translate to Pro success, especially in his system. Now he is banking everything on it. he drafted him and will develop him the best he can, and if he doesn't like the progress or think it is going where he wants it to, next season he will go after Cousins, Garapollo or someone in the draft.

Pretty much this is him taking who he thought was the best QB in this draft and seeing where it goes, gives him a year to gauge his development and if it isn't good enough they are going to get someone else next season. I think it is very smart. This guy could surprise us all and I think we all hope he does.