QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

I wonder who the other team was.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/105912-schrager-another-team-wanted-beathard-third-round/

I can guess only the Bills or the Jets

Heard the Steelers were very interested (at least that's what CJ said on NFL radio).

Bills traded out at 3-11, and the Jets had a pick in the 3rd, so between those teams it would be the Bills.

That said, this sniffs of BS a little bit. Maybe some team out there had a 3rd round grade on him but that doesn't mean they were planning on actually taking him there and didn't.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
I wonder who the other team was.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/105912-schrager-another-team-wanted-beathard-third-round/

I can guess only the Bills or the Jets

another West Coast offense system I'd imagine , I can't see a team with a deep passing attack coveting him that early , my money is on the Jets , since they missed out on Trubisky I'm sure they were hunting for an intelligent QB with strong accuracy

Originally posted by 49erphan:
3rd round positions that were 30 picks apart from each other are essentially the same value? Yeah, no. But people need to be careful about thinking about trading a third round pick for a second round pick next year because of the same reasoning. Thinking in terms of what round a player is picked in is okay for a rough idea of their value to teams, but the reality is that there is a generally continuous drop of in value as you go down, not a sudden drop at each round and leveling off in that round.

Is trading a second round pick significantly better than staying with an early 3rd round pick? It depends. The 9ers traded away the 67th pick this year. If the Saints are really good in the 2017 season, the 9ers could end up with say the 62nd pick in the second round of the next draft. That means they would have dropped nine spots in this year's draft to move up five spots next year. Hard to say if that jump up five is worth the fall down nine slots this year. Maybe, maybe not.

BUT, if the Saints have an average season this year, then the 9ers may end up having swapped a 67th pick for something like a 48th pick. That for sure would be a significant improvement in value even taking into account the moving down of nine slots this year. If the Saints don't play very well this year then the 9ers could potentially move up to something like 38th slot next year. Whoohoo! That would make this an extremely good trade.

Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of the trade with the Saints but I think we see some quality talent next year and possible franchise players available via trade next year and figured trade ammo next year trumps a 3rd round pick this year.

I would've liked to get something better than a 7th this year but hopefully this time next year we're saying what a great move this trade was. Saints definitely improved their team but let's be honest....one injury to Brees and they're a top 10 picking team.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erphan:
3rd round positions that were 30 picks apart from each other are essentially the same value? Yeah, no. But people need to be careful about thinking about trading a third round pick for a second round pick next year because of the same reasoning. Thinking in terms of what round a player is picked in is okay for a rough idea of their value to teams, but the reality is that there is a generally continuous drop of in value as you go down, not a sudden drop at each round and leveling off in that round.

Is trading a second round pick significantly better than staying with an early 3rd round pick? It depends. The 9ers traded away the 67th pick this year. If the Saints are really good in the 2017 season, the 9ers could end up with say the 62nd pick in the second round of the next draft. That means they would have dropped nine spots in this year's draft to move up five spots next year. Hard to say if that jump up five is worth the fall down nine slots this year. Maybe, maybe not.

BUT, if the Saints have an average season this year, then the 9ers may end up having swapped a 67th pick for something like a 48th pick. That for sure would be a significant improvement in value even taking into account the moving down of nine slots this year. If the Saints don't play very well this year then the 9ers could potentially move up to something like 38th slot next year. Whoohoo! That would make this an extremely good trade.

Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of the trade with the Saints but I think we see some quality talent next year and possible franchise players available via trade next year and figured trade ammo next year trumps a 3rd round pick this year.

I would've liked to get something better than a 7th this year but hopefully this time next year we're saying what a great move this trade was. Saints definitely improved their team but let's be honest....one injury to Brees and they're a top 10 picking team.

I made a mistake. For some reason I was thinking that the 9ers got the Saints 3rd round pick this year. Duh. No. They exchanged their 3rd round this year for the Saints second next year. So never mind my "moving down nine slots this year" talk. Duh. But the idea is still much the same. If the Saints are really good this year, the 9ers may only move up a few slots from what they could have had this year. A move up a few slots is better than not moving up a few slots but it may not be that big of a deal. But if the Saints are average to bad this year then it could turn into a really good trade.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Bills traded out at 3-11, and the Jets had a pick in the 3rd, so between those teams it would be the Bills.

That said, this sniffs of BS a little bit. Maybe some team out there had a 3rd round grade on him but that doesn't mean they were planning on actually taking him there and didn't.

Jets had the last pick in the 3rd at one point. Very possible they were the team.

Originally posted by 49erphan:
I made a mistake. For some reason I was thinking that the 9ers got the Saints 3rd round pick this year. Duh. No. They exchanged their 3rd round this year for the Saints second next year. So never mind my "moving down nine slots this year" talk. Duh. But the idea is still much the same. If the Saints are really good this year, the 9ers may only move up a few slots from what they could have had this year. A move up a few slots is better than not moving up a few slots but it may not be that big of a deal. But if the Saints are average to bad this year then it could turn into a really good trade.

And I am sure that was taken into account when the trade was made. The Saints have posted 3 consecutive seasons of 7-9 and have been one of the worst defenses in the league for 3 years straight. The likelihood appears that they won't be a 10+ win team this year.

Also for a team like us with no franchise QB in place, now possessing 2 second round picks and 2 third round picks in next years class gives us additional valuable chips should we look to try and acquire a FQB via trade or in the draft. On the surface it appears to be a very good move however if the Saints were to have an outstanding year then it may not be as good of a move as thought. There is a risk in place with this trade but IMHO the odds were favorable to take that gamble head on, especially when you consider that we are running a marathon and not a sprint.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707502-rookie-qb-cj-beathard-isnt-exciting-but-he-may-be-perfect-for-the-49ers

this is double the page of the solomon thread lol. I bet if we picked a qb in the 7th round it would still have at least 40 pages by now.

Originally posted by ninerAxe:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707502-rookie-qb-cj-beathard-isnt-exciting-but-he-may-be-perfect-for-the-49ers

After reading this, im almost certain he was not touching Watson at all, and if Lamar Jackson gets enough hype to be a first round qb, he will get a restraining order against him lol.

Though im sure he has no problem with taking a 1st round qb if they fit all of his needs. They're first rounders for a reason.

Originally posted by 49erphan:
I made a mistake. For some reason I was thinking that the 9ers got the Saints 3rd round pick this year. Duh. No. They exchanged their 3rd round this year for the Saints second next year. So never mind my "moving down nine slots this year" talk. Duh. But the idea is still much the same. If the Saints are really good this year, the 9ers may only move up a few slots from what they could have had this year. A move up a few slots is better than not moving up a few slots but it may not be that big of a deal. But if the Saints are average to bad this year then it could turn into a really good trade.

The idea is to add more picks for next year to give us added flexibility in that draft. The adding slots is just gravy. Maybe we regret passing on Jordan Willis or Cooper Kupp but the additional pick could be far more valuable in trying to trade up next year.

Originally posted by ninerAxe:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707502-rookie-qb-cj-beathard-isnt-exciting-but-he-may-be-perfect-for-the-49ers

"Beathard happens to be a good play-action faker, having done it often for the run-heavy Hawkeyes. That's significant because there's a diagram of a play-action pass on the Shanahan family coat of arms."

Good point tjd! Teams generally identify players they want and then jockey to try and get as many as they can. If, as Shanahan has said, Beathard was the only QB he wanted, it was worth a trade up to assure getting him. If he becomes a Cousins it's a win, if he bombs out it's not that much of a loss. It's not like any team wins with every pick.

The riskiest pick is Foster. Wonderful player and great value at the end of the first round...unless he doesn't play a down in the NFL.

All in all, this draft helped solidify the defense and added some potential on offense. Not a bad draft. It might be better to include the FA signings to see if Kyle will be able to improve the record next year. I believe a key will be the added depth on the line. There are now more solid backups at almost every position.

Originally posted by Poldarn49:

Originally posted by ninerAxe:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707502-rookie-qb-cj-beathard-isnt-exciting-but-he-may-be-perfect-for-the-49ers

"Beathard happens to be a good play-action faker, having done it often for the run-heavy Hawkeyes. That's significant because there's a diagram of a play-action pass on the Shanahan family coat of arms."

That was a good article and spot on, really.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49erphan:
I made a mistake. For some reason I was thinking that the 9ers got the Saints 3rd round pick this year. Duh. No. They exchanged their 3rd round this year for the Saints second next year. So never mind my "moving down nine slots this year" talk. Duh. But the idea is still much the same. If the Saints are really good this year, the 9ers may only move up a few slots from what they could have had this year. A move up a few slots is better than not moving up a few slots but it may not be that big of a deal. But if the Saints are average to bad this year then it could turn into a really good trade.

The idea is to add more picks for next year to give us added flexibility in that draft. The adding slots is just gravy. Maybe we regret passing on Jordan Willis or Cooper Kupp but the additional pick could be far more valuable in trying to trade up next year.

I agree that adding a second rounder next year creates more leverage to trade up in a year when they may want to reach up higher in the first round for, say, a QB. But it's not either they did the trade to get ammunition to move up in the first round next year or they did the trade because the Saints are likely to be in the middle or upper part of round two next year so they can gain a much better player than next year in round 2 than if they had stayed at the beginning of round 3 this year. Doing the trade could create the option of getting a fairly high round 2 player next year (if the Saints stay true to form) for an early 3rd round player this year and the option using the second rounder to trade up higher in the first round next year. In fact, the higher the Saints traded 2nd rounder is next year, the more valuable it would be in any efforts to trade up in the first round.