QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

It took young years to get there tho and shanny was never in a place that long. He will now.

I think it depends, guys who are like super athletic, rely on their athletic ability than honing their skill, some get into a bad habit maybe that, hey I know what I am doing, rather emptying their cups and allow themselves to learn, they are brash. RGIII was like that. Insisted on Kyle letting him play in the pro set even though he wasn't ready. Gets injured and he and his father blame Kyle as did Snyder.

Somebody like CJ is a hard worker and tough cause they know that they are not athletically gifted.

Cam is as Harbaugh said nuclear grade raw talent, but he still hasn't reached his potential, relying on his athletic ability still a bit too much.

Brash is an understatement: "I'm not big on mechanics." Was the beginning of the end for me the moment he said that.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
Hated the pick on draft night but as the days went on I started to look him up reading up watching tape now I honestly hope he can become more then a future career back up.

It's Alot to ask for but I'd love for him to become our next Joe Cool. 30 + yrs later we start a whole new Dynasty with Shanahan at the helm. That would be dope af.

I think a lot of people was surprised. However, as time went on, people got to know what makes Kyle tick and realize what he is looking at or for. Many people in the biz won't, possibly so that the competition won't use his thoughts/guidelines as the NFL can be a copy cat league. Kyle has been open though. A lot of people still wonder though if it is the right way. People thought Harbaugh was going to the next WCO/Walsh and nothing was further from the truth.

Kyle from all indications is more like Walsh like so far. In that he is following the precept of you need talent to make your D work and that you can scheme on offense, just like he did with Montana after looking at him, felt he could win with a QB like him. However, Walsh also showed he could take a QB like Young and mold him into a pocket passer yet maintain that unique ability to run. Shanahan has not done that yet.

Kyle doesn't want to teach basics if he can avoid it, he wants his QB to learn the system and how it works and how to execute it.

It took young years to get there tho and shanny was never in a place that long. He will now.

I generally agree with WB here but always hate to hear athleticism defined so narrowly. Montana was a great athlete, just not a fast, RB type of QB with a super strong arm. On the other hand, he had great balance, vision, touch...all athletic keys to playing QB. It took him two years to refine his skills under Walsh.

As for Young, he had years of playing like a running QB with elite running skills...so it took a while for him to develop. But we don't know what would have happened if Walsh had traded Montana right away and played Young his first year. Perhaps he would have done just fine and refined his pocket skills on the fly.

Beathard may be a starting caliber QB in the NFL or he may be a solid backup. My only worry is that he plays with a gusto that will get him hurt early in his career. What I don't believe will happen is a total flop. He's too passionate and dedicated (and smart) to be a total dud. On Young or Montana's level? Not very likely...but cross your fingers. Many doubted those two as well. I recall many of the pundits saying Young would never learn to be a good QB and should be moved to RB or WR. One thing I was surprised about was Beathard's record. I didn't realize he had won that many games at Iowa.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
Hated the pick on draft night but as the days went on I started to look him up reading up watching tape now I honestly hope he can become more then a future career back up.

It's Alot to ask for but I'd love for him to become our next Joe Cool. 30 + yrs later we start a whole new Dynasty with Shanahan at the helm. That would be dope af.

I think a lot of people was surprised. However, as time went on, people got to know what makes Kyle tick and realize what he is looking at or for. Many people in the biz won't, possibly so that the competition won't use his thoughts/guidelines as the NFL can be a copy cat league. Kyle has been open though. A lot of people still wonder though if it is the right way. People thought Harbaugh was going to the next WCO/Walsh and nothing was further from the truth.

Kyle from all indications is more like Walsh like so far. In that he is following the precept of you need talent to make your D work and that you can scheme on offense, just like he did with Montana after looking at him, felt he could win with a QB like him. However, Walsh also showed he could take a QB like Young and mold him into a pocket passer yet maintain that unique ability to run. Shanahan has not done that yet.

Kyle doesn't want to teach basics if he can avoid it, he wants his QB to learn the system and how it works and how to execute it.

It took young years to get there tho and shanny was never in a place that long. He will now.

I generally agree with WB here but always hate to hear athleticism defined so narrowly. Montana was a great athlete, just not a fast, RB type of QB with a super strong arm. On the other hand, he had great balance, vision, touch...all athletic keys to playing QB. It took him two years to refine his skills under Walsh.

As for Young, he had years of playing like a running QB with elite running skills...so it took a while for him to develop. But we don't know what would have happened if Walsh had traded Montana right away and played Young his first year. Perhaps he would have done just fine and refined his pocket skills on the fly.

Beathard may be a starting caliber QB in the NFL or he may be a solid backup. My only worry is that he plays with a gusto that will get him hurt early in his career. What I don't believe will happen is a total flop. He's too passionate and dedicated (and smart) to be a total dud. On Young or Montana's level? Not very likely...but cross your fingers. Many doubted those two as well. I recall many of the pundits saying Young would never learn to be a good QB and should be moved to RB or WR. One thing I was surprised about was Beathard's record. I didn't realize he had won that many games at Iowa.

He was a 3rd round pick who was expected to be a 6th round pick so they must have found something they liked on film and in discussions. Still, with a pedigree like this I think the best you can hope for is for him to develop into a quality backup QB. Anything more would be gravy. Maybe he'll turn out like a Brian Hoyer? Who knows.

Fans of each NFL team are taking to their respective forums to rationalize why their teams draft picks will turn out to be stars.

In his interviews he seems really familiar. Like a mix of alex Smith as someone else as far as voice and looks go. But he also talks like shannahan pretty blunt and to the point.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

I generally agree with WB here but always hate to hear athleticism defined so narrowly. Montana was a great athlete, just not a fast, RB type of QB with a super strong arm. On the other hand, he had great balance, vision, touch...all athletic keys to playing QB. It took him two years to refine his skills under Walsh.

As for Young, he had years of playing like a running QB with elite running skills...so it took a while for him to develop. But we don't know what would have happened if Walsh had traded Montana right away and played Young his first year. Perhaps he would have done just fine and refined his pocket skills on the fly.

Beathard may be a starting caliber QB in the NFL or he may be a solid backup. My only worry is that he plays with a gusto that will get him hurt early in his career. What I don't believe will happen is a total flop. He's too passionate and dedicated (and smart) to be a total dud. On Young or Montana's level? Not very likely...but cross your fingers. Many doubted those two as well. I recall many of the pundits saying Young would never learn to be a good QB and should be moved to RB or WR. One thing I was surprised about was Beathard's record. I didn't realize he had won that many games at Iowa.

I'm optimistic the he can be groomed into a possible starter. His record though is a little misleading. That came on the backs of the defense and run game. He was only asked to be a game manager. It is a plus though

Originally posted by bzborow1:
He was a 3rd round pick who was expected to be a 6th round pick so they must have found something they liked on film and in discussions. Still, with a pedigree like this I think the best you can hope for is for him to develop into a quality backup QB. Anything more would be gravy. Maybe he'll turn out like a Brian Hoyer? Who knows.

Fans of each NFL team are taking to their respective forums to rationalize why their teams draft picks will turn out to be stars.

I usually ignore draft round once a player makes it to the team. He was the only QB Shanahan wanted enough to take at the spot and that can mean either he sees him as a 3rd rounder who might develop into a starting QB or he decided to waste a draft pick.

He is not less or more of a QB because he wasn't drafted higher or lower...he will prove his worth through his play. The one thing I expect is for him to give Shanahan much of what he likes in a QB...solid WCO play that stabilizes the offense enough to be efficient. No heroics, just solid play.

Edit: Coaching is so important in developing a player and putting them in a good spot to succeed. Watching the change in Smith once Singletary was fired shows this and the success of both Smith and Kaepernick under Harbaugh shows this. While I did not like the Harbaugh offense, it was very stable and efficient enough to win games. I expect Shanahan and crew will be equally successful or more...fingers crossed!

Originally posted by strickac:
I'm optimistic the he can be groomed into a possible starter. His record though is a little misleading. That came on the backs of the defense and run game. He was only asked to be a game manager. It is a plus though

Yes, but he was not a turn over machine and did make significant plays when necessary. Some very nice clutch plays. I believe comparing him to Smith is fair, though Smith was more successful in college he ran a less pro-ready offense.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by strickac:

I'm optimistic the he can be groomed into a possible starter. His record though is a little misleading. That came on the backs of the defense and run game. He was only asked to be a game manager. It is a plus though

Yes, but he was not a turn over machine and did make significant plays when necessary. Some very nice clutch plays. I believe comparing him to Smith is fair, though Smith was more successful in college he ran a less pro-ready offense.

From what I remember Alex was on the receiving end of the spread monster under Meyer(level of competition?)...

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by strickac:
I'm optimistic the he can be groomed into a possible starter. His record though is a little misleading. That came on the backs of the defense and run game. He was only asked to be a game manager. It is a plus though

Yes, but he was not a turn over machine and did make significant plays when necessary. Some very nice clutch plays. I believe comparing him to Smith is fair, though Smith was more successful in college he ran a less pro-ready offense.

From what I remember Alex was on the receiving end of the spread monster under Meyer(level of competition?)...

He played very well in big games, well enough to be a runner up for Heisman (3rd or 4th...can't recall).

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by strickac:

I'm optimistic the he can be groomed into a possible starter. His record though is a little misleading. That came on the backs of the defense and run game. He was only asked to be a game manager. It is a plus though

Yes, but he was not a turn over machine and did make significant plays when necessary. Some very nice clutch plays. I believe comparing him to Smith is fair, though Smith was more successful in college he ran a less pro-ready offense.

From what I remember Alex was on the receiving end of the spread monster under Meyer(level of competition?)...

He played very well in big games, well enough to be a runner up for Heisman (3rd or 4th...can't recall).

I remember he was in the heisman hunt.. but yeah Urban Meyer+when that conference was weaker,Smiths athleticism&talent was a recipe for a very successful year for both parties.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by strickac:
I'm optimistic the he can be groomed into a possible starter. His record though is a little misleading. That came on the backs of the defense and run game. He was only asked to be a game manager. It is a plus though

Yes, but he was not a turn over machine and did make significant plays when necessary. Some very nice clutch plays. I believe comparing him to Smith is fair, though Smith was more successful in college he ran a less pro-ready offense.

From what I remember Alex was on the receiving end of the spread monster under Meyer(level of competition?)...

He played very well in big games, well enough to be a runner up for Heisman (3rd or 4th...can't recall).

I remember he was in the heisman hunt.. but yeah Urban Meyer+when that conference was weaker,Smiths athleticism&talent was a recipe for a very successful year for both parties.

His Junior year I believe since he graduated in less than three years. His record for his two starting years were both pretty good. But I'm not going to continue this as I'm more interested in Beathard's ability this year. He was in a pro style offense so may be more NFL ready than either Smith or Kaepernick were. Hope so.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Wow super genius move or the worst mistake they will have in their career. Never an in-between with QBs in the first 3 rounds.

lol, right.....
but I'm guessing Shanny saw something in him that can be taught or re taught... There has to be some kind of strength in the kid that got him drafted.... I hope it's kinda like Walsh grabbing S. Young from the Buccaneers.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

His Junior year I believe since he graduated in less than three years. His record for his two starting years were both pretty good. But I'm not going to continue this as I'm more interested in Beathard's ability this year. He was in a pro style offense so may be more NFL ready than either Smith or Kaepernick were. Hope so.

For sure... he's ahead of the curve, helped Wilson a whole lot too though they run what seems to be a dead end offense in Seattle.

Originally posted by Constantine:

lol, right.....
but I'm guessing Shanny saw something in him that can be taught or re taught... There has to be some kind of strength in the kid that got him drafted.... I hope it's kinda like Walsh grabbing S. Young from the Buccaneers.

Yup you're right and that's his toughness. That can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Beathard definitely has it and it's an underrated trait needed for the position.

Originally posted by Constantine:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Wow super genius move or the worst mistake they will have in their career. Never an in-between with QBs in the first 3 rounds.

lol, right.....
but I'm guessing Shanny saw something in him that can be taught or re taught... There has to be some kind of strength in the kid that got him drafted.... I hope it's kinda like Walsh grabbing S. Young from the Buccaneers.

He's got plenty of strengths. It's just whether or not those strengths can increase enough to play at an NFL level.

I'm excited about the guy. This is the exact type of QB that Shanahan likes. Pro offense, good on the play action and tough. I'm excited to see what Shanahan can do with a hand picked QB. I expect him to be an NFL backup and I'm hoping for more but I realize that's a long shot.