QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Thank you Thl408, that was really interesting. It will really be interesting how fast CJ can pick up the reads and the coverages in pre-season. I expect him to struggle a lot in pre-season simply because he'll be thinking a lot instead of just going on instinct. Next year is where I think he should progress to a point where in pre-season he can consistently move the ball against opposing defenses.

Where you been? It's been awhile. Thing with CJ is with the offense he operated in college and the responsibilities he was given, he can go off instinct and won't have to think as much. He doesn't need to learn how to take a 7 step drop from under center, or callling plays in a huddle, or audibling at the line, or executing these concepts from a non-spread formation, or calling out the Mike, or changing protection, or how to use a checkdown. He just needs to get better at all these things. Some of the QBs coming out have to first be broken down then built back up.

I'm not annointing him. His lack of college production makes it difficult to predict a ceiling. I just think CJ has a good foundation to operate Kyle's offense and is not in the, "he should sit a year and learn" group of QBs.

Where have I been? I've been moping about the loss of Harbaugh. When Jed fired Harbaugh, I knew he was a loser and I can't stand losers. <sigh> But I love my niners and so I've watched them from afar. This hire has got the makings of another Harbaugh *kind* of hire. Personally, I think he's not going to be as good, but Seifert wasn't a Walsh either but still won 2 super bowls.

As for CJ, great points about him having a great foundation. I think if you surround a good QB with great players, or at least a star RB and a star WR and a great defense, I think CJ can win us some playoff games and with some luck maybe a Lombardi or two. Like you said, we don't know is limits yet but he has a good foundation. One thing that's is apparent is that his limitations won't be physical - i.e. weak arm, can't run, etc...

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Thank you Thl408, that was really interesting. It will really be interesting how fast CJ can pick up the reads and the coverages in pre-season. I expect him to struggle a lot in pre-season simply because he'll be thinking a lot instead of just going on instinct. Next year is where I think he should progress to a point where in pre-season he can consistently move the ball against opposing defenses.

Where you been? It's been awhile. Thing with CJ is with the offense he operated in college and the responsibilities he was given, he can go off instinct and won't have to think as much. He doesn't need to learn how to take a 7 step drop from under center, or callling plays in a huddle, or audibling at the line, or executing these concepts from a non-spread formation, or calling out the Mike, or changing protection, or how to use a checkdown. He just needs to get better at all these things. Some of the QBs coming out have to first be broken down then built back up.

I'm not annointing him. His lack of college production makes it difficult to predict a ceiling. I just think CJ has a good foundation to operate Kyle's offense and is not in the, "he should sit a year and learn" group of QBs.

this.

Whats funny is that i am reading a book called "Power of Habit". There is a whole chapter dedicated to how Tony Dungy initiated the idea of installing habits into his players so they didnt have to think. Players would see a "Cue" and react. He installed this in Tampa Bay where John Lynch played. Lynch was the poster boy of using these habits for success. The sucky part though is that football players abandon their habits in the spotlight and end up thinking too much in big games, like superbowl. Which is why Tony Dungy's team always lost towards the end of the post season

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Thank you Thl408, that was really interesting. It will really be interesting how fast CJ can pick up the reads and the coverages in pre-season. I expect him to struggle a lot in pre-season simply because he'll be thinking a lot instead of just going on instinct. Next year is where I think he should progress to a point where in pre-season he can consistently move the ball against opposing defenses.

Where you been? It's been awhile. Thing with CJ is with the offense he operated in college and the responsibilities he was given, he can go off instinct and won't have to think as much. He doesn't need to learn how to take a 7 step drop from under center, or callling plays in a huddle, or audibling at the line, or executing these concepts from a non-spread formation, or calling out the Mike, or changing protection, or how to use a checkdown. He just needs to get better at all these things. Some of the QBs coming out have to first be broken down then built back up.

I'm not annointing him. His lack of college production makes it difficult to predict a ceiling. I just think CJ has a good foundation to operate Kyle's offense and is not in the, "he should sit a year and learn" group of QBs.

this.

Whats funny is that i am reading a book called "Power of Habit". There is a whole chapter dedicated to how Tony Dungy initiated the idea of installing habits into his players so they didnt have to think. Players would see a "Cue" and react. He installed this in Tampa Bay where John Lynch played. Lynch was the poster boy of using these habits for success. The sucky part though is that football players abandon their habits in the spotlight and end up thinking too much in big games, like superbowl. Which is why Tony Dungy's team always lost towards the end of the post season

Dungy's teams were gap penetration defenses. You didn't want the defensive players (or at least the front 4) thinking too much. All he wanted was for his defense to penetrate into the backfield as quick as possible. John Lynch was a tweener back then, sort of like Jeff Fuller for the 49ers, and was used as a strong safety and weakside coverage linebacker for the run. Lynch was strong enough to tackle RB's and had enough quickness and speed to drop back into zone. The rest of the defense would key off of what Lynch did as a strong safety/combo linebacker - ie that's where the habits come into effect. If he dropped off -- then the defense goes into a pass defense type mode and if he moves up, they go to a more run defense kind of mode. Smart teams keyed off that in the playoffs and hence, you get your playoff losses when talented playoff teams can both run and pass with the same personnel.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Thank you Thl408, that was really interesting. It will really be interesting how fast CJ can pick up the reads and the coverages in pre-season. I expect him to struggle a lot in pre-season simply because he'll be thinking a lot instead of just going on instinct. Next year is where I think he should progress to a point where in pre-season he can consistently move the ball against opposing defenses.

Where you been? It's been awhile. Thing with CJ is with the offense he operated in college and the responsibilities he was given, he can go off instinct and won't have to think as much. He doesn't need to learn how to take a 7 step drop from under center, or callling plays in a huddle, or audibling at the line, or executing these concepts from a non-spread formation, or calling out the Mike, or changing protection, or how to use a checkdown. He just needs to get better at all these things. Some of the QBs coming out have to first be broken down then built back up.

I'm not annointing him. His lack of college production makes it difficult to predict a ceiling. I just think CJ has a good foundation to operate Kyle's offense and is not in the, "he should sit a year and learn" group of QBs.

this.

Whats funny is that i am reading a book called "Power of Habit". There is a whole chapter dedicated to how Tony Dungy initiated the idea of installing habits into his players so they didnt have to think. Players would see a "Cue" and react. He installed this in Tampa Bay where John Lynch played. Lynch was the poster boy of using these habits for success. The sucky part though is that football players abandon their habits in the spotlight and end up thinking too much in big games, like superbowl. Which is why Tony Dungy's team always lost towards the end of the post season

Dungy's teams were gap penetration defenses. You didn't want the defensive players (or at least the front 4) thinking too much. All he wanted was for his defense to penetrate into the backfield as quick as possible. John Lynch was a tweener back then, sort of like Jeff Fuller for the 49ers, and was used as a strong safety and weakside coverage linebacker for the run. Lynch was strong enough to tackle RB's and had enough quickness and speed to drop back into zone. The rest of the defense would key off of what Lynch did as a strong safety/combo linebacker - ie that's where the habits come into effect. If he dropped off -- then the defense goes into a pass defense type mode and if he moves up, they go to a more run defense kind of mode. Smart teams keyed off that in the playoffs and hence, you get your playoff losses when talented playoff teams can both run and pass with the same personnel.

im sure that played a key role too. But im sure they played good teams during the regular season who were talented enough to pick up on it. The books just talks about how it critical moments, people stop relying on habits and their reaction times are more delayed. The only time Dungy won a SB is when his son committed suicide and the team really stood behind him and put all their trust into his philosophy, even in critical games.

Sorry about going off topic but what you mentioned about beathard not having to think as much and be more instinctual and habitual with his play probably caught John Lynch's eye, in addition to Kyle.

I think CJ is going to surprise this season. He will surpass Barkley as the #2 Qb behind Hoyer.

Originally posted by kush:

With regards to the video thl posted:

Part of the issue on timing routes appears to be Beathard's lack of trust in his WRs getting open.

Bingo. Would be different if he had guys like Mike Williams or Corey Davis catching the ball or even a speester in the slot that always gets open. His o-line wasn't good either and he stood tall in the pocket taking hits while delivering the ball. That's one part of his game I really like. I'm tired of pur QB's giving up on plays in favor of rushing.

I want to see him in the preseason throwing to our new slot guy (Taylor). Hopefully they can work him with the first team some. Garcon, Juice and Goodwin going deep. Hopefully Barkley doesn't teach him how to throw ints. lol

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think CJ is going to surprise this season. He will surpass Barkley as the #2 Qb behind Hoyer.

If Barkley can stop throwing so many ints he'd be a good QB. He's not shy about trying to drive the ball downfield. That's one thing I like about him but it's also part of the reason he throws so many ints. Like a not so good Carson Palmer.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think CJ is going to surprise this season. He will surpass Barkley as the #2 Qb behind Hoyer.

I think that'd be a great goal if he's the backup by week 1 IMO cause Barks made strides last year as a QB, has experience and is a good fit for the WCO.

We want to go back to WCO and he is our best option to get there atm.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

If Barkley can stop throwing so many ints he'd be a good QB. He's not shy about trying to drive the ball downfield. That's one thing I like about him but it's also part of the reason he throws so many ints. Like a not so good Carson Palmer.

Barkley could have led the bears to a couple of wins last season had certain teammates caught the ball and not give away stupid penalties.

I can't remember the game but he drove his team down the field and got hit by penalty after penatly, yet kept stepping up and making a big throw only for it to come back. Then when he was well backed up he put a throw right on the money only for another drop from one of his receivers. Granted it's nothing to write home about, but his tenacity and ability to shake off setbacks impressed me at that point. Like you say, if he can cut down the turnovers he could actually be a good quarterback.

From what bits I saw in highlights of the Bears, some of the turnovers were just bad throws, others were down to him being asked to do too much (let's remember how many games he's played since college), and one in particular was downright bad play calling (e.g. a Hail Mary into serious traffic at the end of the half). I think he's got a good arm, problem is, I also see him as someone that's turnover prone due to his style and mentality. Maybe Kyle can work his magic, but I suspect Barkley's realistic ceiling is career backup which is a shame considering how good he was at USC.

If our running game is as good as everyone thinks; the QB will have lots of time and with Pierre Garcon available; I like our chances of being an improved passing unit.

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:

Looks like he took a big bong rip before putting on his uniform.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:

Looks like he took a big bong rip before putting on his uniform.

I thought the same thing. Dude looks high as a kite.

I prefer this one...we called him Sunshine while playing at Iowa and someone made this image.